• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

First 7970 review

Joined
Apr 21, 2005
Messages
6,885 (1.48/day)
Likes
1,501
System Name MY PC
Processor E8400 @ 3.80Ghz > Q9650 3.60Ghz
Motherboard Maximus Formula
Cooling D5, 7/16" ID Tubing, Maze4 with Fuzion CPU WB
Memory XMS 8500C5D @ 1066MHz
Video Card(s) HD 2900 XT 858/900 to 4870 to 5870 (Keep Vreg area clean)
Storage 2
Display(s) 24"
Case P180
Audio Device(s) X-fi Plantinum
Power Supply Silencer 750
Software XP Pro SP3 to Windows 7
Benchmark Scores This varies from one driver to another.
#76
Bad deal for the price at $549. I find it funny how people moan and cry over Nvidia on every front and AMD rewards them with $549 MSRP for a single GPU. Where is your knight in shining armor now? Financing its failed processor segment I am assuming. I should know, I have a few machines with AMD processors. :laugh:

Now if they are more reasonable on the midrange they will still do fine but $549 prices them out of the reasonable category considering its probably $50 to make the card.
If it's about 20% faster then a 580 be it overclocked or stock then what should the price be for the fastest single card offering a few other features? Well, for the next 6 or so months... Then we will see what the competition does.
 
Joined
Apr 4, 2008
Messages
4,659 (1.30/day)
Likes
1,009
System Name Obelisc
Processor i7 3770k @ 4.8 GHz
Motherboard Asus P8Z77-V
Cooling H110
Memory 16GB(4x4) @ 2400 MHz 9-11-11-31
Video Card(s) GTX 780 Ti
Storage 850 EVO 1TB, 2x 5TB Toshiba
Case T81
Audio Device(s) X-Fi Titanium HD
Power Supply EVGA 850 T2 80+ TITANIUM
Software Win10 64bit
#77
If it's about 20% faster then a 580 be it overclocked or stock then what should the price be for the fastest single card offering a few other features? Well, for the next 6 or so months... Then we will see what the competition does.
Except it's 12% faster at 1200p according to tpu. Which interestingly is roughly the gain you'd get taking a 580 to the same core speed, 925, which gives us the most direct shader count to performance comparison between nvidia and amd yet. 2048=512. That's ignoring the whole double shader speed thing on the 580 of course.
 
Joined
Jan 2, 2009
Messages
9,767 (2.96/day)
Likes
1,779
Location
Suffolk/Essex, England
System Name Joseph's Laptop Clevo P771ZM
Processor 4970k @4/4.4ghz
Motherboard *shrugs*
Cooling About 2 kilos of copper fins and pipes.
Memory 2x 8gb
Video Card(s) GTX 970m 6gb
Storage 500gb Msata SSD 2x 2TB storage drives
Display(s) Built in
Power Supply 300w power brick
Mouse Steam controller
Software Windows ten
#78
Except it's 12% faster at 1200p according to tpu. Which interestingly is roughly the gain you'd get taking a 580 to the same core speed, 925, which gives us the most direct shader count to performance comparison between nvidia and amd yet. 2048=512. That's ignoring the whole double shader speed thing on the 580 of course.
Disregard the performance summary section and look at individual benchmark scores.


The way Wiz averages stuff it means a low score can completely shit up the results.
( including nvidia cards)

Posted this in the main review thead.


7970vs 6970
1920x1080
AVP : +26.26
Batman AA :+ 62.55
BFBC3: +51.57
Battleforge:+ 32.57
COD4:+11.81
CIV5:+43.73
Crysis:+33.51
Crysis2:+56.26
Dirt3:+15.64
Dragonage2:+19.14
Hard reset :+34.14
Metro:+27.23
Stalker cop:+40.07
Starcraft 2 :0.93
Shogun 2 :+39.51
Skyrim:+5.95
Wow: - 6.5 that's minus 6.5 so to be absolutely clear
3dmark 11:+47.43
Heaven:+97.81 (wooo improved tessellation)


I really think that Wizz should disregard the performance summary graph and just do a write up instead.

So many people seem to not read the review in it's entirety so get the wrong impression.

It's wow skyrim and bringing down the performance summary score.
, skyrim and wow are CPU limited anyway.
 
Joined
Apr 4, 2008
Messages
4,659 (1.30/day)
Likes
1,009
System Name Obelisc
Processor i7 3770k @ 4.8 GHz
Motherboard Asus P8Z77-V
Cooling H110
Memory 16GB(4x4) @ 2400 MHz 9-11-11-31
Video Card(s) GTX 780 Ti
Storage 850 EVO 1TB, 2x 5TB Toshiba
Case T81
Audio Device(s) X-Fi Titanium HD
Power Supply EVGA 850 T2 80+ TITANIUM
Software Win10 64bit
#79
Disregard the performance summary section and look at individual benchmark scores.


The way Wiz averages stuff it means a low score can completely shit up the results.
( including nvidia cards)

Posted this in the main review thead.


7970vs 6970
1920x1080
AVP : +26.26
Batman AA :+ 62.55
BFBC3: +51.57
Battleforge:+ 32.57
COD4:+11.81
CIV5:+43.73
Crysis:+33.51
Crysis2:+56.26
Dirt3:+15.64
Dragonage2:+19.14
Hard reset :+34.14
Metro:+27.23
Stalker cop:+40.07
Starcraft 2 :0.93
Shogun 2 :+39.51
Skyrim:+5.95
Wow: - 6.5 that's minus 6.5 so to be absolutely clear
3dmark 11:+47.43
Heaven:+97.81 (wooo improved tessellation)


I really think that Wizz should disregard the performance summary graph and just do a write up instead.

So many people seem to not read the review in it's entirety so get the wrong impression.

It's wow skyrim and bringing down the performance summary score.
, skyrim and wow are CPU limited anyway.
....why are we talking about the 6970 now? and that heaven score, which is totally irrelevant to actual game performance, makes up for wow and skyrim. The performance summary page is pretty accurate.
 
Joined
Jan 2, 2009
Messages
9,767 (2.96/day)
Likes
1,779
Location
Suffolk/Essex, England
System Name Joseph's Laptop Clevo P771ZM
Processor 4970k @4/4.4ghz
Motherboard *shrugs*
Cooling About 2 kilos of copper fins and pipes.
Memory 2x 8gb
Video Card(s) GTX 970m 6gb
Storage 500gb Msata SSD 2x 2TB storage drives
Display(s) Built in
Power Supply 300w power brick
Mouse Steam controller
Software Windows ten
#80
....why are we talking about the 6970 now? and that heaven score, which is totally irrelevant to actual game performance, makes up for wow and skyrim. The performance summary page is pretty accurate.
Way to be an ass :toast:


You'll have to excuse my post being out of context I didn't read every page I'm doing vs the 580 now.


And the performance summary page has never been accurate IMO, scores should never be averaged out.

Users should look at individual benchmark because then they can see if will effect what games THEY use or plan to use. again IMO.
 
Joined
Jan 20, 2010
Messages
868 (0.30/day)
Likes
160
Location
Toronto, ON. Canada
System Name Gamers PC
Processor AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE @ 3.80 GHz
Motherboard MSI 790FX-GD70 AM3
Cooling Corsair H50 Cooler
Memory Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3-1333
Video Card(s) XFX Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5
Storage 2 x WD Caviar Green 1TB SATA300 w/64MB Buffer (RAID 0)
Display(s) Samsung 2494SW 1080p 24" WS LCD HD
Case CM HAF 932 Full Tower Case
Audio Device(s) Creative SB X-FI TITANIUM -PCIE x 1
Power Supply Corsair TX Series CMPSU-650TX (650W)
Software Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
#81
....why are we talking about the 6970 now? and that heaven score, which is totally irrelevant to actual game performance, makes up for wow and skyrim. The performance summary page is pretty accurate.
I agree with pantherx12, we should compare both HD 7970 an HD 6970. He states a great point with the gaming performance. The 580 is also a beast of a card no question asked but the 7970 is taking over from the 6970.
 
Joined
Apr 4, 2008
Messages
4,659 (1.30/day)
Likes
1,009
System Name Obelisc
Processor i7 3770k @ 4.8 GHz
Motherboard Asus P8Z77-V
Cooling H110
Memory 16GB(4x4) @ 2400 MHz 9-11-11-31
Video Card(s) GTX 780 Ti
Storage 850 EVO 1TB, 2x 5TB Toshiba
Case T81
Audio Device(s) X-Fi Titanium HD
Power Supply EVGA 850 T2 80+ TITANIUM
Software Win10 64bit
#82
Users should look at individual benchmark because then they can see if will effect what games THEY use or plan to use. again IMO.
Well the funny thing about that is you're going to get over 60 fps with just about any reasonably top card. The only games that aren't running at 60+ are games people just use for stress testing... in that regard this is all pretty pointless.

I agree with pantherx12, we should compare both HD 7970 an HD 6970. He states a great point with the gaming performance. The 580 is also a beast of a card no question asked but the 7970 is taking over from the 6970.
That would make a lot more sense if they were in the same price bracket. They're no where close. Comparing the 7870 and 6970 will make sense, when possible.
 
Joined
Nov 13, 2007
Messages
6,158 (1.66/day)
Likes
1,651
Location
Austin Texas
System Name silen8
Processor Intel i7 7820X Delidded @ 4.64Ghz / 3.1Ghz Mesh
Motherboard MSI X299 Tomahawk
Cooling 240mm Corsair H105 Intake
Memory 32 GB Quad 3434Mhz DDR4 15-16-16-38-300-1T
Video Card(s) Gigabyte GTX 1080 Ti Gaming
Storage 1Tb Samsung 960 Pro m2, 1TB Samsung 850 Pro SSD
Display(s) Dell 24" 2560x1440 144hz, G-Sync @ 165Hz
Case NZXT S340 Elite Black
Audio Device(s) Arctis 7
Power Supply FSP HydroG 750W
Mouse zowie ec-2
Keyboard corsair k65 tenkeyless
Software Windows 10 64 Bit
Benchmark Scores Cb: 2103 Multi, 209 Single, 10450 Timespy - 10150 GPU/11900 CPU, superpi 1M - 7.71s
#83
Imo there are two issues w/this card:

1. All games are console ports upscaled to PC. The price point is ridiculous.

2. It is price/performance matched to the 580/other cards. Which is pointless, since it doesn't replace the 580, in fact it makes it relevant. You want more than the 570/6970? but dont want to blow $550? buy a 580 and OC!

Compared to last gen it is a success. Compared to the market it is a disappointment... No 7970 for me until it drops at least $100, and where is the 7950?
 
Joined
Jan 2, 2009
Messages
9,767 (2.96/day)
Likes
1,779
Location
Suffolk/Essex, England
System Name Joseph's Laptop Clevo P771ZM
Processor 4970k @4/4.4ghz
Motherboard *shrugs*
Cooling About 2 kilos of copper fins and pipes.
Memory 2x 8gb
Video Card(s) GTX 970m 6gb
Storage 500gb Msata SSD 2x 2TB storage drives
Display(s) Built in
Power Supply 300w power brick
Mouse Steam controller
Software Windows ten
#84
For a fair comparison
1920x1080
7970 vs 580

Percentage increase or decrease.
AVP : +25.40
Batman AA :+8.71
BFBC3: +19.69
Battleforge:+4.61
COD4:+3.46
CIV5:-7.3
Crysis:+23.64
Crysis2:+20.57
Dirt3:-7.53
Dragonage2:+12.44
Hard reset :+3.06
Metro:+10.03
Stalker cop:+17.82
Starcraft 2 :+2.84
Shogun 2 :+47.36
Skyrim:-1.4
Wow:+2.5
3dmark 11:+32.18
Heaven:+27.76

I feel this is the best way to look at the data because it shows you precisely where the architecture/design falls short.

It also shows where the card shines.

Which is compute ( both from design and from looking at the results)

The shogun 2 score really shows that is a card with compute in mind.

( All the AI is run on the gpu I believe)
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jun 2, 2011
Messages
753 (0.31/day)
Likes
125
System Name An experiment in continuous upgrading
Processor Intel Core i7 2600k @ 4.4 Ghz | FX-8570 @ 4.0 Ghz | Phenom II X4 965
Motherboard MSI P67A-GD53 | MSI 990FXA-GD80 | Asus M4A79 Deluxe
Cooling Noctua NH-D14 | Zalman CNPS10x | Coolermaster*212+
Memory 24gb DDR3-1866 |8Gb | 8Gb
Video Card(s) ASUS GTX 970 Turbo x 2 (SLI) | Sapphire Radeon 7970 + GTX 670 (PhysX) | Radeon 4870 1Gb
Storage 2x240gb SSD + 4tb SSHD + HDDs | 240gb SSD + HDDs | 120gb SSD + WD Blue 500gb
Display(s) ASUS VG248 144hz + Samsung S23A700D 120hz + 3D Vision | 40" Sony 1080p TV | 23" 1080p
Case Cooler Master HAF-X | Lian-Li PC-8 | Antec 302
Audio Device(s) Senn. PC360 G4ME | Sound Blaster Zx | Generic
Power Supply Corsair TX850W | Corsair TX 750 | OCZ 700
Mouse Steelseries Sensei | Logitech G402 W/L | Generic
Keyboard Filco Majetouch Ninja Tenkeyless MX Black | Logitech wireless |SteelSeries 6Gv2 MX Red
Software About 800 top-rated games. | 200 top-rated games | No games
Benchmark Scores No time for benching, I prefer gaming.
#85
Imo there are two issues w/this card:

1. All games are console ports upscaled to PC. The price point is ridiculous.

2. It is price/performance matched to the 580/other cards. Which is pointless, since it doesn't replace the 580, in fact it makes it relevant. You want more than the 570/6970? but dont want to blow $550? buy a 580 and OC!

Compared to last gen it is a success. Compared to the market it is a disappointment... No 7970 for me until it drops at least $100, and where is the 7950?
I find it interesting how many times the 7970 is being said to be comparable price/performance wise to the 580... WHICH 580? AFAIK there are 2 of them, and one of those costs a lot more because it has... 3Gb VRAM. Wait, what? Yes, yes. The 7970 is a 3Gb Vram card.

So, huh, why aren't we comparing the price/performance of the 3Gb HD 7970 to that of the 3Gb GTX 580?

That's the real comparison. I'm sure eventually some budget brands might bring out a 1.5Gb VRAM HD 7970 if they feel like it. It will probably be a few bucks less than the 1.5Gb GTX 580 is at the moment... :)
 
Joined
Oct 19, 2008
Messages
3,046 (0.90/day)
Likes
684
System Name Has and is well
Processor i7 4770K
Motherboard ASUS B85
Cooling Corsair H100
Memory TEAM 1866mhz 8GBx2 16GB
Video Card(s) MSI 980ti Gold Edition
Storage Intel 520 120GB + Seagate 2TB 7200RPM
Display(s) DELL U2713HM 2560x1440 Monitor
Case Corsair 350D
Power Supply EVGA 850W Gold
Software Win 10
#86
AMD here at least from what I've seen in Aus always turns out to be cheaper. The GTX580 still sells for over $500 here for the 1.5gb version and for the 3GB around 565 AUD and up to 615 AUD for the high end models. Hence why I tend to buy crossfire setups eg. my 6950's since they work out to almost the same price or cheaper even.

I am predicting the 7970 to cost around the same or a little less than the GTX580 3GB, if so then at least in australia amd is WINNING. :laugh:
 
Joined
Nov 13, 2007
Messages
6,158 (1.66/day)
Likes
1,651
Location
Austin Texas
System Name silen8
Processor Intel i7 7820X Delidded @ 4.64Ghz / 3.1Ghz Mesh
Motherboard MSI X299 Tomahawk
Cooling 240mm Corsair H105 Intake
Memory 32 GB Quad 3434Mhz DDR4 15-16-16-38-300-1T
Video Card(s) Gigabyte GTX 1080 Ti Gaming
Storage 1Tb Samsung 960 Pro m2, 1TB Samsung 850 Pro SSD
Display(s) Dell 24" 2560x1440 144hz, G-Sync @ 165Hz
Case NZXT S340 Elite Black
Audio Device(s) Arctis 7
Power Supply FSP HydroG 750W
Mouse zowie ec-2
Keyboard corsair k65 tenkeyless
Software Windows 10 64 Bit
Benchmark Scores Cb: 2103 Multi, 209 Single, 10450 Timespy - 10150 GPU/11900 CPU, superpi 1M - 7.71s
#87
I appreciate these benches. :D

I find it interesting how many times the 7970 is being said to be comparable price/performance wise to the 580... WHICH 580? AFAIK there are 2 of them, and one of those costs a lot more because it has... 3Gb VRAM. Wait, what? Yes, yes. The 7970 is a 3Gb Vram card.

So, huh, why aren't we comparing the price/performance of the 3Gb HD 7970 to that of the 3Gb GTX 580?

That's the real comparison. I'm sure eventually some budget brands might bring out a 1.5Gb VRAM HD 7970 if they feel like it. It will probably be a few bucks less than the 1.5Gb GTX 580 is at the moment... :)

The 3GB of ram is OC... the actual 3GB of ram does very little vs the 1.5, its the core speed that makes the most difference. Plus they don't have a 1.5gbvram 7970... if they did I would be more than happy to get it since 1080P is not going away any time soon and almost all games are ports anyways...
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jan 2, 2009
Messages
9,767 (2.96/day)
Likes
1,779
Location
Suffolk/Essex, England
System Name Joseph's Laptop Clevo P771ZM
Processor 4970k @4/4.4ghz
Motherboard *shrugs*
Cooling About 2 kilos of copper fins and pipes.
Memory 2x 8gb
Video Card(s) GTX 970m 6gb
Storage 500gb Msata SSD 2x 2TB storage drives
Display(s) Built in
Power Supply 300w power brick
Mouse Steam controller
Software Windows ten
#88
I appreciate these benches but this should be a % since +25 might be 5-10% better only.
It is percentages, I edited my post to make that clear now.
 
Joined
Apr 21, 2005
Messages
6,885 (1.48/day)
Likes
1,501
System Name MY PC
Processor E8400 @ 3.80Ghz > Q9650 3.60Ghz
Motherboard Maximus Formula
Cooling D5, 7/16" ID Tubing, Maze4 with Fuzion CPU WB
Memory XMS 8500C5D @ 1066MHz
Video Card(s) HD 2900 XT 858/900 to 4870 to 5870 (Keep Vreg area clean)
Storage 2
Display(s) 24"
Case P180
Audio Device(s) X-fi Plantinum
Power Supply Silencer 750
Software XP Pro SP3 to Windows 7
Benchmark Scores This varies from one driver to another.
#89
The performance of the 7970 is more then expected IMO. It has a huge OC/performance potential with stock cooling, improved AF and other features. I wonder if winrar will be able to take advantage of GNC?

And as we all know drivers will eventually further improve performance.
 
Joined
Oct 26, 2011
Messages
3,121 (1.37/day)
Likes
892
Processor Ci7 5960X
Motherboard RVE
Cooling Triple Aquacomputer AMS 840 with D5
Memory Some random DDR4
Video Card(s) GTX 1080 Ti
Storage 960 EVO
Display(s) Dell U3011 2560x1600 + Dell 2408WFP 1200x1920 (Portrait)
Case Dimastech Bench EasyXL
Audio Device(s) Essence STX
Power Supply AX 1500i
Software Win10
#90
Tahiti chip will surely be a WIN under water, will probably reach awesome clocks and run coooooooool :toast:
 
Joined
Jun 2, 2011
Messages
753 (0.31/day)
Likes
125
System Name An experiment in continuous upgrading
Processor Intel Core i7 2600k @ 4.4 Ghz | FX-8570 @ 4.0 Ghz | Phenom II X4 965
Motherboard MSI P67A-GD53 | MSI 990FXA-GD80 | Asus M4A79 Deluxe
Cooling Noctua NH-D14 | Zalman CNPS10x | Coolermaster*212+
Memory 24gb DDR3-1866 |8Gb | 8Gb
Video Card(s) ASUS GTX 970 Turbo x 2 (SLI) | Sapphire Radeon 7970 + GTX 670 (PhysX) | Radeon 4870 1Gb
Storage 2x240gb SSD + 4tb SSHD + HDDs | 240gb SSD + HDDs | 120gb SSD + WD Blue 500gb
Display(s) ASUS VG248 144hz + Samsung S23A700D 120hz + 3D Vision | 40" Sony 1080p TV | 23" 1080p
Case Cooler Master HAF-X | Lian-Li PC-8 | Antec 302
Audio Device(s) Senn. PC360 G4ME | Sound Blaster Zx | Generic
Power Supply Corsair TX850W | Corsair TX 750 | OCZ 700
Mouse Steelseries Sensei | Logitech G402 W/L | Generic
Keyboard Filco Majetouch Ninja Tenkeyless MX Black | Logitech wireless |SteelSeries 6Gv2 MX Red
Software About 800 top-rated games. | 200 top-rated games | No games
Benchmark Scores No time for benching, I prefer gaming.
#91
The 3GB of ram is OC... the actual 3GB of ram does very little vs the 1.5, its the core speed that makes the most difference. Plus they don't have a 1.5gbvram 7970... if they did I would be more than happy to get it since 1080P is not going away any time soon and almost all games are ports anyways...
I understand what you are saying. But the card DOES have 3Gb VRAM. You just can't go and discount that under a clause of "well, I firmly believe that's not useful to me, so I'll compare it with a card that has less VRAM". That's like you saying, "well, in my fave game, the GTX 580 has 22% more FPS than the Radeon 6950, but the minimum framerate of the Radeon 6950 is 60fps, and given that my monitor is 60hz, thus all performance above 60fps can be discounted, and this makes the 6950 275% more effective in terms of price/performance than the GTX 580". :wtf:

I run SLI GTX 570s and I run into my 1280mb VRAM limit ALL THE TIME. OK, 1536 is larger than 1280, but my display is a paltry 1680x1050. Either way, games are getting larger, not smaller. AND if you are a PC gamer, you probably lament that games are ports. So when the next big beautiful PC exclusive comes out... You'll be equipped to run it at console settings? No need for better, right? :twitch:

AND let's face it... The card costs $550. 24" 1080p monitors cost around $200. So... You would be able to pay $550 for your video card, but not $600 for a tri-monitor setup? Get me the logic of that, coz I don't get it. Wait... Running diagnostics on my neurons... Nope, I still don't get it. This is exactly the kind of card that justifies Eyefinity in spades. So while YOU might think 3Gb is useless, there is a lot to be said for it, given that the card makes eyefinity a no-brainer. And THAT is where 3gb VRAM is more than useful. It's GREATNESS.
 
Joined
Oct 26, 2011
Messages
3,121 (1.37/day)
Likes
892
Processor Ci7 5960X
Motherboard RVE
Cooling Triple Aquacomputer AMS 840 with D5
Memory Some random DDR4
Video Card(s) GTX 1080 Ti
Storage 960 EVO
Display(s) Dell U3011 2560x1600 + Dell 2408WFP 1200x1920 (Portrait)
Case Dimastech Bench EasyXL
Audio Device(s) Essence STX
Power Supply AX 1500i
Software Win10
#92
To confirm Horrux version I am hitting almost 2GB of VRAM on latest titles @ 1600p, so yes 3GB VRAM buffer is very well welcomed, if not necessary for newer titles
 

The_Ish

New Member
Joined
Jan 3, 2011
Messages
328 (0.13/day)
Likes
43
Location
Sweden
Processor Intel i7 2600K
Motherboard Asus P8Z68-V Pro
Cooling Corsair H60
Memory 12GB Corsair Dominator 1600Mhz
Video Card(s) Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II
Storage Corsair F120 SSD +9,5TB storage
Display(s) Dell U2410
Case HAF X
Audio Device(s) Realtek
Power Supply Corsair AX1200
Software Win 7 x64
Benchmark Scores I only care about practical performance.
#93
I get the feeling the GPU companies only improve their hardware/software enough to make sales. Like they're not even trying. I refuse to believe this is their best effort. People was sent to the moon over 40 years ago just to prove it was possible. We haven't been back since 1972 (manned). That's sort of how this is.
 
Joined
Jan 2, 2009
Messages
9,767 (2.96/day)
Likes
1,779
Location
Suffolk/Essex, England
System Name Joseph's Laptop Clevo P771ZM
Processor 4970k @4/4.4ghz
Motherboard *shrugs*
Cooling About 2 kilos of copper fins and pipes.
Memory 2x 8gb
Video Card(s) GTX 970m 6gb
Storage 500gb Msata SSD 2x 2TB storage drives
Display(s) Built in
Power Supply 300w power brick
Mouse Steam controller
Software Windows ten
#94
I get the feeling the GPU companies only improve their hardware/software enough to make sales. Like they're not even trying. I refuse to believe this is their best effort. People was sent to the moon over 40 years ago just to prove it was possible. We haven't been back since 1972 (manned). That's sort of how this is.
It has over 3 times the math compute power of 6970.

That's pretty good :laugh:

They're shifting away from just straight up graphics processing these days is all, graphics are already quite nice, a physically simulated world be more fun then a pretty one though ( being able to smash a building up realistically would be SOOOO much fun)

GPUs are now shifting towards graphics/beafed up maths co processing units.
 
Joined
Jun 2, 2011
Messages
753 (0.31/day)
Likes
125
System Name An experiment in continuous upgrading
Processor Intel Core i7 2600k @ 4.4 Ghz | FX-8570 @ 4.0 Ghz | Phenom II X4 965
Motherboard MSI P67A-GD53 | MSI 990FXA-GD80 | Asus M4A79 Deluxe
Cooling Noctua NH-D14 | Zalman CNPS10x | Coolermaster*212+
Memory 24gb DDR3-1866 |8Gb | 8Gb
Video Card(s) ASUS GTX 970 Turbo x 2 (SLI) | Sapphire Radeon 7970 + GTX 670 (PhysX) | Radeon 4870 1Gb
Storage 2x240gb SSD + 4tb SSHD + HDDs | 240gb SSD + HDDs | 120gb SSD + WD Blue 500gb
Display(s) ASUS VG248 144hz + Samsung S23A700D 120hz + 3D Vision | 40" Sony 1080p TV | 23" 1080p
Case Cooler Master HAF-X | Lian-Li PC-8 | Antec 302
Audio Device(s) Senn. PC360 G4ME | Sound Blaster Zx | Generic
Power Supply Corsair TX850W | Corsair TX 750 | OCZ 700
Mouse Steelseries Sensei | Logitech G402 W/L | Generic
Keyboard Filco Majetouch Ninja Tenkeyless MX Black | Logitech wireless |SteelSeries 6Gv2 MX Red
Software About 800 top-rated games. | 200 top-rated games | No games
Benchmark Scores No time for benching, I prefer gaming.
#95
I agree with the big cat above.

How much more graphics processing power do you really need?

Isn't Tri-SLI GTX 580 3GB enough for 3D Vision Surround? How much more than that do you really NEED? 24 monitors running at 240hz? Let's face it, most of us game with a single, 60hz monitor. Only a minority run 120hz or more than one monitor for gaming. And for those setups, you can find hardware to run the latest games all maxed out, with room to spare, today.

For a single monitor, any single high end card of today will render your game at very high FPS and maxed out. WHY would we even need a beast such as the 7970? I agree it is nice, but let's face it: we don't need more graphics processing power than what is available today.

I'm all for realistically virtualized worlds, though. That will be awesome.
 
Joined
Sep 15, 2011
Messages
978 (0.42/day)
Likes
215
Location
coast ,melbourne
System Name THE MEDIAMACHINE
Processor i5-3570k
Motherboard Asus gene v z-77 matx.
Cooling Antec h20 620
Memory 2x4gb g.skill ripjaws z 2400
Video Card(s) h.i.s radeon 7950 reference 3 gb- hooray!!!
Storage samsung 128gb~830 ssd. samsung 500gb hdrive.
Display(s) 22 inch tele.
Case circa 1996 grey rat box with no sides front.until my own is finished
Audio Device(s) inbuilt creative.supreme effects 3
Power Supply thermaltake tt-500w
Software win 7 x64-
Benchmark Scores Coming soon
#96
AMD here at least from what I've seen in Aus always turns out to be cheaper. The GTX580 still sells for over $500 here for the 1.5gb version and for the 3GB around 565 AUD and up to 615 AUD for the high end models. Hence why I tend to buy crossfire setups eg. my 6950's since they work out to almost the same price or cheaper even.

I am predicting the 7970 to cost around the same or a little less than the GTX580 3GB, if so then at least in australia amd is WINNING. :laugh:
Absolutely, the nvidia gtx 580 3gb is still 550-700$ depending on the model here at online stores, so i find the same price for new amd 7970-card, that offers pcie3[i know about performance but at least its new tech and future proofs to some degree] and power savings as well, to be a reasonable deal,it may even perform better when newer drivers emerge and when the pcie3 can be taken full advantage of possibly in the future.
 
Joined
Jun 20, 2007
Messages
3,838 (0.99/day)
Likes
596
System Name Medusa
Processor i7 2600k @4.8ghz
Motherboard Asus P8P67 Pro
Cooling CPU : Noctua NH-L12 GPU: EK FC 1080 via Magicool 360 III PRO > Photon 170 (D5)
Memory 8gb Corsair XMS DDR3 @1600mhz
Video Card(s) GTX 1080 FE
Storage Vertex 4 256 /Crucial C300 256/ Hitachi 2TB 2x
Display(s) Tempest X270OC @ 120hz / LG W3000h
Case Fractal Define S [Antec Skeleton hanging in hall of fame]
Audio Device(s) Asus Xonar Xense with AKG K612 cans on Monacor SA-100
Power Supply Seasonic X-850
Mouse Razer Naga 2014
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores FFXIV ARR Benchmark 1600p score 12,098[this means nothing any more!]
#97
http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/2472/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review

Aside from the crazy tessellation performance I'm left scratching my head here. Was expecting more from such a big shrink.
That's what I was thinking.
Or not so much from the die shrink itself, but particularly the new architecture.

And I'm one of those people that tells others to stop complaining that an enthusiast product is expensive, but in this case, I'll argue with myself that the price is ridiculous.

They're charing us a premium for the new architecture, despite it not being real world beneficial(for the most part).

If anything, AMD should have apologized to their customers for not releasing a new architecture YEARS ago, and they could have showed just how sorry they are, by making the price of this card competitive in line with launch of the 6970.

People whom complain about Nvidia lording things over consumers and charging exorbitant prices, should get punched in the mouth. AMD is now doing the same because of their fancy tech and until Nvidia releases Kepler.
 
Joined
Oct 26, 2011
Messages
3,121 (1.37/day)
Likes
892
Processor Ci7 5960X
Motherboard RVE
Cooling Triple Aquacomputer AMS 840 with D5
Memory Some random DDR4
Video Card(s) GTX 1080 Ti
Storage 960 EVO
Display(s) Dell U3011 2560x1600 + Dell 2408WFP 1200x1920 (Portrait)
Case Dimastech Bench EasyXL
Audio Device(s) Essence STX
Power Supply AX 1500i
Software Win10
#98
Ahem? The card is perfectly priced at it's performance point.
 
Joined
Jun 20, 2007
Messages
3,838 (0.99/day)
Likes
596
System Name Medusa
Processor i7 2600k @4.8ghz
Motherboard Asus P8P67 Pro
Cooling CPU : Noctua NH-L12 GPU: EK FC 1080 via Magicool 360 III PRO > Photon 170 (D5)
Memory 8gb Corsair XMS DDR3 @1600mhz
Video Card(s) GTX 1080 FE
Storage Vertex 4 256 /Crucial C300 256/ Hitachi 2TB 2x
Display(s) Tempest X270OC @ 120hz / LG W3000h
Case Fractal Define S [Antec Skeleton hanging in hall of fame]
Audio Device(s) Asus Xonar Xense with AKG K612 cans on Monacor SA-100
Power Supply Seasonic X-850
Mouse Razer Naga 2014
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores FFXIV ARR Benchmark 1600p score 12,098[this means nothing any more!]
#99
Ahem? The card is perfectly priced at it's performance point.
What performance point?

It performs no better to the 6970 than the 6970 did to the five series cards?
10-20 frames more in games already producing 60fps means nothing to me.
And five frames more in games that are already struggling to hit 60fps says that the new architecture doesn't affect all the current 3d products on the market, and won't affect them for quite sometime.

So it's not even the price itself, it's that AMD is expecting that price for such a feeble
reason: a new architecture on paper.
 
Joined
Oct 26, 2011
Messages
3,121 (1.37/day)
Likes
892
Processor Ci7 5960X
Motherboard RVE
Cooling Triple Aquacomputer AMS 840 with D5
Memory Some random DDR4
Video Card(s) GTX 1080 Ti
Storage 960 EVO
Display(s) Dell U3011 2560x1600 + Dell 2408WFP 1200x1920 (Portrait)
Case Dimastech Bench EasyXL
Audio Device(s) Essence STX
Power Supply AX 1500i
Software Win10
I wouldn't dare to say it performs no better, let me explain :



And this is the gain ONLY at 2560x1600, this card on CFX will let you play with smoother framerates at 5760x1080 and 7680x1600, the 3GB VRAM buffer will give it a fresh breath to such eyefinity setups because my card is starving with 2GB of VRAM.
This isn't the card for who uses a single monitor, in fact they are strongly promoting eyefinity and such.
If you are going to comment based on 1080p then you start the argument by being wrong because this card is clearly not thought to be used at 1080p, for the moment of course.
It focuses itself on compute power and that's what you need to break through DX11, you'll see how it will shine when games will start to use more DX11 libraries.