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Ever since Ryzen launched many enthusiasts have been eagerly waiting for mini-ITX motherboards to build mean and lean compact machines around AMD’s brand new popular number-crunching processors. If you’re one of those folks, we’ve got good news for you. The first ever mini-ITX AM4 motherboard for Ryzen is here and it’s packed full of features.

The board in question is the X370GTN from BIOSTAR and it’s quite the little scrapper. Amazingly, it features AMD’s top of the line enthusiast X370 chipset. This is slightly surprising as Mini-ITX AM4 motherboards were said to either come with the X300 or A300 chipsets. But it looks like BIOSTAR has somehow managed to cram in the full-fledged X370 chipset in this little board.

To find out more click the link below

Source: http://wccftech.com/first-amd-ryzen-mini-itx-motherboard-detailed/

I for one this is exactly what ive been waiting for :)
 
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Well, the new link does reveal more details and show probably the final revision. So, I guess it has its merits.
 

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So much space wasted on display connectivity that won't be used...
 

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9000-series APUs are on the way.

But DVI, really? HDMI+DP would've allowed for another four USB ports, which imho would've been a lot more useful than DVI.

A lot of the Ryzen boards are getting crap connectors like D-Sub and DVI because the board makers have nothing else to add to the boards and it's just a waste imho. Even more so on the X370 boards.
 

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But DVI, really? HDMI+DP would've allowed for another four USB ports, which imho would've been a lot more useful than DVI.

A lot of the Ryzen boards are getting crap connectors like D-Sub and DVI because the board makers have nothing else to add to the boards and it's just a waste imho. Even more so on the X370 boards.
Believe it or not, there are a lot more people out there with old or cheap DVI-only displays than the ones with DP.
We still don't know what exactly the new lineup of AMD APUs has to offer, but if it only supports 2 display outputs, then DVI sounds like a much better trade-off for lack of DisplayPort.
In regards of "nothing else to put", that's probably the case. They could've used a DVI/HDMI combo port, like this one (this is my old Zotac ITX board):
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But this will bring additional problems, like:
a) Even more empty space on the back
b) Board layout becomes more complex (more labor from design to final assembly)
c) More expensive connectors, or more fragile if you decide to cut corners w/o shields and mounting plate, like ECS likes to do.

The only thing you can stick on the back, is either a pair of USB 2.0 or a mounting panel for WiFi antennas (if there was a built-in M.2 WiFi card).
With 6x USB 3.0 already there, the first option is "whishful thinking", and the second one is irrelevant cause there is no WiFi adapter or an M.2 slot for one.

Don't forget that this is BIOSTAR - a desperate low-budget board manufacturer, finally getting back in game. I was actually surprised to see this board that soon, because normally BIOSTAR is "catching up" with competition, not beating it.
 

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Don't forget that this is BIOSTAR - a desperate low-budget board manufacturer, finally getting back in game. I was actually surprised to see this board that soon, because normally BIOSTAR is "catching up" with competition, not beating it.

There is that...

DVI just takes up so much space and there are adaptors from HDMI and DP to DVI if someone really must have it....
 
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You can't remove DVI yet. VGA, yes, but not DVI. Or they need to add a convertor for DVI.

Here is another. You need VGA port on server boards but don't need DVI.
 
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I can certainly agree about the reasons for DP+HDMI (or DP+DP) but it's also just the first round of boards. We also got the first round of CPUs and not everyone is pleased with 8-cores.

Subjectively nicer things will come our way at some point :)
 
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DVI just takes up so much space and there are adaptors from HDMI and DP to DVI if someone really must have it....
For every one DP user there are 100 people with a generic 1080p monitor limited to DVI or HDMI only.
Also there are millions of people with VGA-only displays(even relatively fresh ones), which see no reason in upgrading to DP just for the sake of modern interface.
Lots of boards still have VGA implemented on integrated graphics outputs just for that reason, even though most iGPUs don't support it natively.
 

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For every one DP user there are 100 people with a generic 1080p monitor limited to DVI or HDMI only.
Also there are millions of people with VGA-only displays(even relatively fresh ones), which see no reason in upgrading to DP just for the sake of modern interface.
Lots of boards still have VGA implemented on integrated graphics outputs just for that reason, even though most iGPUs don't support it natively.

And as long as the board makers keep putting these shitty old interfaces (at an extra cost mind you), we won't see a change from the display makers either...
 
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And as long as the board makers keep putting these shitty old interfaces (at an extra cost mind you), we won't see a change from the display makers either...

A tiny observation about the cost: it's funny how people are not against putting things like blinking LEDs or plastic covers that have no function other than looks (often very arguable). It's not like they're free or something.

Motherboard's fundamental function is to provide connectivity between other parts and peripherals. Maximum possible compatibility should be a primary design target.
A motherboard is the last PC part that should force any changes or trends in PC design.

Removing older interfaces would make no difference other than forcing people to buy adapters for the things they already have.
At this point no consumer/home monitors are offered with a VGA interface only.
But the fact that a VGA is available on a motherboard makes it a lot more universal and a lot more usable in many situations.

It's 2017 but VGA is still appearing in most high-end business notebooks (typical workhorses like the ThinkPad T-series). Think about it.
 
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It baffles me that so few people care about the centerpiece of PC interaction - the monitor...

Wish ASRock would release its AM4 mini-ITX board already.
 

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no reason in upgrading to DP just for the sake of modern interface.
Pushing for one good standard sometimes is reason enough. I only use mDP at work because, I don't have a HDMI 2.0 port on my laptop but, I have two mDP 1.2 ports because, Apple. I personally feel that DP is a bit more flexible and has more long term advantages than HDMI but, these aren't things people care about. Usually all people care about is if they can plug it into their computer or TV and have it work.
 
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So much space wasted on display connectivity that won't be used...
Yeah. High end chipset end up with oldest display interface existing in the market. But think about it, the processor paired with that mobo is high perf workstation processors. And guess what? Many workstations available today are still using VGA interface. Some in my workplace are. They can upgrade the proc without changing monitor or buying adapter. And since it's mITX, the expected system build dimensions should be small, so they can serve as portable PC but still more powerful and cheaper than comparable notebooks. And can use it in say lab or with your friend's house monitor who only have VGA, like I did few years back:p
 
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Yeah. High end chipset end up with oldest display interface existing in the market. But think about it, the processor paired with that mobo is high perf workstation processors. And guess what? Many workstations available today are still using VGA interface. Some in my workplace are. They can upgrade the proc without changing monitor or buying adapter. And since it's mITX, the expected system build dimensions should be small, so they can serve as portable PC but still more powerful and cheaper than comparable notebooks. And can use it in say lab or with your friend's house monitor who only have VGA, like I did few years back:p

What? You peasants! Throw every single display you have in your country without HDMI/DP into the garbage. Do it. Do it now! Get with the times, we don't give a shit if the displays are still serviceable. :cool:
 

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Yeah. High end chipset end up with oldest display interface existing in the market. But think about it, the processor paired with that mobo is high perf workstation processors. And guess what? Many workstations available today are still using VGA interface. Some in my workplace are. They can upgrade the proc without changing monitor or buying adapter. And since it's mITX, the expected system build dimensions should be small, so they can serve as portable PC but still more powerful and cheaper than comparable notebooks. And can use it in say lab or with your friend's house monitor who only have VGA, like I did few years back:p

I think you really missed the point here. Ryzen DOESN'T have a GPU.
 
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I think you really missed the point here. Ryzen DOESN'T have a GPU.
You are right. Ryzen doesn't have gpu. But IIRC the APU will use the same socket right? So the mobo can use them? Or Am I missing another point? Such as "zen based APU doesn't support vga output" and "zen based APU can't be used in this mobo?

What? You peasants! Throw every single display you have in your country without HDMI/DP into the garbage. Do it. Do it now! Get with the times, we don't give a shit if the displays are still serviceable. :cool:
Lol wish every boss thinks that way. Would be on 4K monitor right now.
 

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Anggoro said:
the processor paired with that mobo is high perf workstation processors.

You are right. Ryzen doesn't have gpu. But IIRC the APU will use the same socket right? So the mobo can use them? Or Am I missing another point? Such as "zen based APU doesn't support vga output" and "zen based APU can't be used in this mobo?


Lol wish every boss thinks that way. Would be on 4K monitor right now.

So first you're saying that there will be a high performance workstation processor going into the board and then you say it's for APUs... please make your mind up.
 

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A tiny observation about the cost: it's funny how people are not against putting things like blinking LEDs or plastic covers that have no function other than looks (often very arguable). It's not like they're free or something.

Motherboard's fundamental function is to provide connectivity between other parts and peripherals. Maximum possible compatibility should be a primary design target.
A motherboard is the last PC part that should force any changes or trends in PC design.

Removing older interfaces would make no difference other than forcing people to buy adapters for the things they already have.
At this point no consumer/home monitors are offered with a VGA interface only.
But the fact that a VGA is available on a motherboard makes it a lot more universal and a lot more usable in many situations.

It's 2017 but VGA is still appearing in most high-end business notebooks (typical workhorses like the ThinkPad T-series). Think about it.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't give a crap about LEDs or plastic covers or other useless features, but for this specific board, there really is no need for a DVI connector. It simply looks like they ran out of ideas as to what to add, so they put a DVI connector on it, as it might, possibly, maybe be used one day, although not with a Ryzen processor. Would you rather not have another four USB ports?

Also, VGA connectors today simply add costs to motherboards, as a DA converter has to be added, as there is no longer native support in any processor graphics for VGA. The only reason you find VGA on notebooks is because a lot of projectors still, unfortunately, rely on VGA, as you can do longer runs of VGA cables than you can with HDMI in most cases. I couldn't tell you the last time I used something with a VGA port though.
 
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So first you're saying that there will be a high performance workstation processor going into the board and then you say it's for APUs... please make your mind up.
I did say that. Why can't apu be a good performer? But that's my assumption tho.4 core or dual core zen APUs may not amount that much. Thank you for pointing that out.
 

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I did say that. Why can't apu be a good performer? But that's my assumption tho.4 core or dual core zen APUs may not amount that much. Thank you for pointing that out.

I thought this was a discussion about the usefulness or not of the DVI port on this board. So you said it was useful for a workstation processor, which in this case doesn't have any build in graphics, then changed your mind to say it was useful for an APU, which is might very well be, but then we're talking a totally different application and one that is currently not available to consumer for this platform.
 
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