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currently waiting for 2x 6950 Twin Frozr III PE / OC cards to arrive to replace the dead 6970 xfire setup

also trying to sell some older hardware to get a 256gb Crucial M4 SSD for the 500mb read 280mb write speeds, then i have to send out get the Vinyl Decal done for the PSU, eventually need to make a 120 mile trip to visit some college friends and get the Vinyl Decal for the Side Panel, after which ill be purchasing some Bitfenix Alchemy cables to better do the cable managment and give the machine a nicer appearance on the inside.
 
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I'd get a quote from DOA, as well. The cables he makes are top notch.
 

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Fresh New GPUs Thanks to Newegg for taking me seriously and replacing my parts promptly now I realize these are as nice to see in a case as my 6970 reference cards were but lets see how these babies do when there full hooked up and ready to go.
oh and as you can see there so sexy and new i havent even peeled off the plastic yet.




 

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Great looking cards, the TFIII is a spectacular cooler.
 
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what happen to your 6970s?
 
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sorry to hear :(

the 6950 TF III PE look like very good cards are you planing to take the shroud off and have it turn red?
 
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no they will be left stock the color scheme on the cards matches the colors of the motherboard and CPU cooler, as well as the case internals

also both gpus have been tested both failed to unlock, looks like ill have to clock them up to get my performance out of them.
 

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#59
Just pulled the trigger on the Define XL Been waiting 2 weeks to get my money off someone and i dont want to wait any longer so I paid an extra $24 to have it on monday.

I have a final question for you. (god i must be seriously annoying now almost copying your mod lol)

will you keep the side panel fan as an intake or an exhaust?

Ive got the same reference 6970s as you previously had. and theres a little vent on the cooler that dumps some of the heat inside the case.

the rear 140mm fan mount will be replaced by 2x120mm scythe GTs which are cooling my Antec 920.

since i only use 1 optical drive im gonna be using the 120mm fan mount and put in an akasa apache i have lying around so that would be 2x140mm and 1x120mm in the front. I dont run with that many hard drives so I can remove the hard drive caddy from the top bay thats covering the fan - so that will blow cool air directly on my 6970s

Ive gone with you on swapping out all the stock fans for a Silverston AP181 and some Yate Loons.

If i dont have the side panel as an exhaust. I dont think the system would have enough positive airflow/pressure. Id be pushing more cool air into the case then its dumping out.


(If im buggin you - let me know and i will do some trial and error :p)
 

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its fine positive negative didnt matter much in this case,


the 2 fronts give air to the HDDs and some fresh air reached the GPUs

then the side panel 140 i used to force feed air to the gpus,

the rear 140 and top 180 AP were exhaust,

positive pressure aka more air in then out means air will get forced back out where its coming in, this reduces dust to an extent, negative means intake air is more free flowing but means far more dust, in all honesty i doubt it impacts cooling all that much,

and the AP 181 is rated at 130 cfm at max speed which is still silent

130 + 70 = 200 cfm exhaust
70 70 70 = 210 cfm intake without the top 120mm in the front panel airflow is rather balanced almost to a 1 to 1 ratio, except with the delta fans on the cooler they push the rear fan to spin faster exhausting more air to the point it is a near perfect 1 to 1 intake exhaust ratio eitherway you will want the side panel as an Intake trust me on this,

if your really worried about air flow, leave the top 180 where it is, paint it if you have to i had no issues painting mine and it was still stable and had no issues with balance, and use the 180 where the HDD rack is its not a perfect fit but you can with a bit of modding or ingenuity, put the Silverstone AP right behind the GPUs, this forces air directly between them both, and straight out the vented back, it does help temps quite a bit, with the side panel intake as well.
 
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so its been a few days since i was back in this thread

what overclock you get for 24/7 on the 6950s after playing with em?
 

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900/1325 i havent bothered with removing the CCC limits yet as im still waiting on parts,

essentially, this build log will be revamped soon with an all new build lol

hopefully going to swap out

Motherboard,

add in a 128gb Crucial M4 SSD
a brand new Samsung T24A350 TOC 24inch 1920x1080 monitor
and soon some sleeved cable extension and replace the dead Samsung F3 with a brand new one fresh from RMA, also still havent had the chance to take a trip south to pick up the Side Panel Vinyl Decal, or PSU decal.
 
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Spiraling the PCI-Es to your GPUs is a pretty slick idea. Immagonna give it a shot in my case.
 

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yea it helps keep it the same length and eat up the extra length as well so i have less to tuck behind the panel also keeps it need and tidy otherwise the cables sagged down and didnt stay nice and neat. was also a pain because using zip ties etc to make it look like ass so the braided PCIE plugs was the only solution i could think of

ill redo everything later once the SSD arrives and i get a new mobo ;)
 

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Does have 2 crossfire bridges make any noticable difference?
 
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needs some pics :D
 

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thats all you get pic wise... for now lol if you want more pics donate to the crazy is broke as fuck and cant pay the bills fund :roll:

still need to get some cash and get a ride south to pick up the Case Decals and PSU decals, then hopefully get a PCIE 3.0 Z68 board etc etc also waiting on the 120gb Adata S510 ssd

550mb/s read 510mb/s write among other things.
 

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seems like build will never get done 850HX cannot power 8 sata devices properly causing system shutdowns has to be replaced. but dont really trust corsair at this point so need to find alternatives. guess time will tell.
 

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they just died. so they were replaced but so far its cost around $1500 in replacment parts and now the PSU is going corsairs gonna replace it but at this point i just dont trust there units anymore.

corsair straight up stated to me there PSU sata cables cant handle the power draw for multiple HDDs so while they give me 12 connectors you cant even use 8 of them without triggering a protection mechanism in the unit. shutting the rig down. and since the 850HX was shutting me down when in the BIOS thats unacceptable, PSU might have caused the GPUs to die but i cant be sure

but at this point i need a new Unit and preferably not Corsair, i sent a Thermaltake rep a PM to see if i can get a sponsor and get a new PSU that will handle this rig but its highly doubtful the TT rep can help me, most likely gonna have to sell a bunch of stuff to get a new PSU worth having, if i can even raise the cash for that. might have to sell a 6950 to cadaveca :roll:
 

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good luck getting that sponsorship :laugh: I think the only way youre gonna get it is if you use their cases, their coolers and whatever else they make in your rig with a few big Thermaltake logo stickers or decals slapped or etched all over the case.

you never know though.
 

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yea probably wont do anything for me

sad tho so many high end PSU's are actually utter junk for multiple sata devices

i am seeing 1000-1200w units with only 25amps on the 5v rail and 25amps on the 3,3v shared for 150w max,

6 HDDs at spin up will use 210w alone not counting optical or more drives.

corsair also admitted there PSU design cant handle 12 sata devices there cables with the sata power dont supply enough power so if you use them all its likely to not function properly. Fantastic corsair your 12 sata plugs means only 6-8 are usable and even then its spotty lolz

only PSU ive seen with ample 5v and 3.3v is Silverstone 1000w 80+ unit which has 40amps on the 5v and 3.3v but they only provide 6 sata plugs max. lol just cant catch a break.

I dont think im going to find a single PSU that meets my needs. and im not paying $300-400 for a PSU just to power HDDs seems rather asinine
 

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First post on TPU!

Lovely build there, I've got the ECS P67H2-A that I'm actually trying to sell so I can afford this months rent :(

Great choice of GFX cards, I've got the MSI GTX570 TwinFrozR III and it goes perfectly with the motherboard.