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can we draw up a conclusion for OP then?! theres been several pages, giving fact and opinion on every stance, amd, intel and amd steamroller.

would it be best to say to wait, if thats what he wants and to last 5/6 years.
Yea since he is willing to wait about 5-6 months I think it will be more evident what will be the best performer and price range info will be clear by that time.
 
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can we draw up a conclusion for OP then?! theres been several pages, giving fact and opinion on every stance, amd, intel and amd steamroller.

would it be best to say to wait, if thats what he wants and to last 5/6 years.
Plain and simple, if he plans on waiting another 5/6 years for his next upgrade, then waiting should be his only decision IMO. Wait for AMD's Steamroller at the very least, because by then anything you buy today "Will" be pretty much obsolete in 5/6 years time. Plus Steamroller is rumoured to be quite the performer.
If he is looking for something right now and does not care about anything else coming out, then either AMD or Intel will do the job quite nice.

I don't buy this crap about power efficiently and such. Both processors have their positives and negatives. If you were comparing AMD’s Bulldozer, then yes I would not recommend it because Piledriver is better.
 
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can we draw up a conclusion for OP then?! theres been several pages, giving fact and opinion on every stance, amd, intel and amd steamroller.

would it be best to say to wait, if thats what he wants and to last 5/6 years.
^^Exactly, if u can reason for 10 pages in a way with proofs then its okay, but fighting for proving ur own views isnt much of a help. And please stop pointing out people who are biased, because the next few post are about that person defending and u prosecuting.
 
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Plain and simple, if he plans on waiting another 5/6 years for his next upgrade, then waiting should be his only decision IMO. Wait for AMD's Steamroller at the very least, because by then anything you buy today "Will" be pretty much obsolete in 5/6 years time. Plus Steamroller is rumoured to be quite the performer.
If he is looking for something right now and does not care about anything else coming out, then either AMD or Intel will do the job quite nice.

I don't buy this crap about power efficiently and such. Both processors have their positives and negatives. If you were comparing AMD’s Bulldozer, then yes I would not recommend it because Piledriver is better.
I cant help it, i have to study cause i am in 9th and my dad woudnt allow me to get another pc for the next 5 years, thats the reason why i have a good budget. And i am pretty much at the edge, i play games like battlefield 3 (4,5 whatever comes after it), crysis 3 which require a good cpu. I have a gr8 gpu but i get only 15 fps with my core 2 duo and many times my game and pc just freezes and windows takes 15 minutes to boot so.....

Its really annoying to play with such low fps so i cant wait too long. Interestingly its extremely fun when i troll people with a gtx 690 and i7 3770k and this happens many times :rockout:
 
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I cant help it, i have to study cause i am in 9th and my dad woudnt allow me to get another pc for the next 5 years, thats the reason why i have a good budget. And i am pretty much at the edge, i play games like battlefield 3 (4,5 whatever comes after it), crysis 3 which require a good cpu. I have a gr8 gpu but i get only 15 fps with my core 2 duo and many times my game and pc just freezes and windows takes 15 minutes to boot so.....

Its really annoying to play with such low fps so i cant wait too long. Interestingly its extremely fun when i troll people with a gtx 690 and i7 3770k and this happens many times :rockout:
If you truly require the build to last 5-6 years I'd recommend getting 16GB of RAM. Somebody will reply with a typical contradictory statement like "games don't even use 4GB it's unnecessary". But in 5-6 years that extra RAM might the difference between upgrading and not. It's better to shoot too high than too low and RAM is at its cheapest so there is no excuse.

PS. I have evidence of the last generation of games using almost 8GB of RAM. Every time I post it the forum goes in denial and nobody challenges it. In fact, they don't reply again and pretend they didn't read it.
 
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If you truly require the build to last 5-6 years I'd recommend getting 16GB of RAM. Somebody will reply with a typical contradictory statement like "games don't even use 4GB it's unnecessary". But in 5-6 years that extra RAM might the difference between upgrading and not. It's better to shoot too high than too low and RAM is at its cheapest so there is no excuse.
i agree overkill is the best kind, hence why i buy something too good and then have room for improvement, for example a 1kw psu. its ready for xfire and a beast watercooler set up and more.

and yea this thread has been lengthy, just wait and see what the new gear is all about and ask the question then.
 

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You have every reason to believe it will give a 15% performance boost overall. With the doubling of decoders and the shortening of the memory channel that is what AMD executives and engineers are predicting. Now single thread performance will be in the area of 6-7 % which is 2 to 3% more than you stated in your erroneous post.
At this point, neither of us can accuse the other of being erroneous. It's not the first time AMD claimed that its next generation would have "more of this component," and ended up failing to deliver on expectations. All that AMD has going for it is great pricing, which lets you invest more on other stuff, like better graphics cards, and getting a net performance gain over a similarly priced Intel platform.
 
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All that AMD has going for it is great pricing
What about upgradability?


which lets you invest more on other stuff, like better graphics cards, and getting a net performance gain over a similarly priced Intel platform.
That sounds like it has a lot going for it.


But I would agree in your defence btarunr, that I wouldn't base waiting for Steamroller soley on the promise for an 15% performance increase.
 
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If you truly require the build to last 5-6 years I'd recommend getting 16GB of RAM. Somebody will reply with a typical contradictory statement like "games don't even use 4GB it's unnecessary". But in 5-6 years that extra RAM might the difference between upgrading and not. It's better to shoot too high than too low and RAM is at its cheapest so there is no excuse.

PS. I have evidence of the last generation of games using almost 8GB of RAM. Every time I post it the forum goes in denial and nobody challenges it. In fact, they don't reply again and pretend they didn't read it.
Thats no problem, i will buy a motherboard with 4 dimms with two 4 gb sticks of ddr3 1600mhz ram, if i need more in the future i can always add
 
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What about upgradability?
As I pointed out in my overlooked post, the entry level Intel motherboards available have better features than even the most expensive AM3+ boards (PCI-express 3.0 shows up on a single AM3+ motherboard at $200) for the most part, and if you're assuming upgrades that's added cost in my mind. I maintain that paying a little more for an Intel system up front is probably a better value over a long enough time line (2-3 years+).

That sounds like it has a lot going for it.
It depends heavily on the games you play. There are infinitely more titles that benefit Intel architecture, a lot of which would cover for a slightly weaker GPU (look at Skyrim benchmarks, where an i3 is on par for the 8350 x.x). In the next 3 years 4 threads should become the baseline (instead of 1-2 that we get now) with a lot more titles supporting upwards of 8, but at that point even the cheaper AMD and Intel CPU's will probably handily outperform even the top dogs now.

But I would agree in your defence btarunr, that I wouldn't base waiting for Steamroller soley on the promise for an 15% performance increase.
I'd be surprised if Steamroller launches before 2014 rolls around to be honest...

If you truly require the build to last 5-6 years I'd recommend getting 16GB of RAM. Somebody will reply with a typical contradictory statement like "games don't even use 4GB it's unnecessary". But in 5-6 years that extra RAM might the difference between upgrading and not. It's better to shoot too high than too low and RAM is at its cheapest so there is no excuse.

PS. I have evidence of the last generation of games using almost 8GB of RAM. Every time I post it the forum goes in denial and nobody challenges it. In fact, they don't reply again and pretend they didn't read it.
This is sound advice. The reason people deny it is because almost every single game available is 32-bit, which means it is physically incapable of addressing more than 4GB of RAM. The next generation of consoles will finally hopefully usher in 64-bit games which will allow RAM to be relevant again (since 8GB is only ~$30 everyone has that much). The new consoles have 8GB of RAM (at least the PS4 and I see no reason the Xbox won't have similar or more) and I'll be damned if developers don't take advantage of being able to create larger and more detailed textures which eat into the available resources.

The only situations I've seen where games get close that that are heavily modded and they use system memory because the game itself quickly eats all of the available VRAM (looking at you GTAIV with ICE mod).
 

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What about upgradability?
If we are looking at 5-6 years of life, I don't think this will be a big issue. For example, a person in 2008 will get a E8400, one of the best performing chips for its price. Zoom forward to half-life/end of life in around 2011, it is still a decent performer. Get a bit further to 2012 and you will find that its pointless to drop a Q9550 in for that slight boost, you might as well start again with a 2500K. Do you see why upgradability is not so much of an issue if you are going for top/near top end of the platform? On the other hand, you can choose to get an AM3 board and a 955 during 2009 will find himself stuck with 1090T as the maximum upgrade on the AM3 board purchased in 2009.
 
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If we are looking at 5-6 years of life, I don't think this will be a big issue. For example, a person in 2008 will get a E8400, one of the best performing chips for its price. Zoom forward to half-life/end of life in around 2011, it is still a decent performer. Get a bit further to 2012 and you will find that its pointless to drop a Q9550 in for that slight boost, you might as well start again with a 2500K. Do you see why upgradability is not so much of an issue if you are going for top/near top end of the platform? On the other hand, you can choose to get an AM3 board and a 955 during 2009 will find himself stuck with 1090T as the maximum upgrade on the AM3 board purchased in 2009.
I had a similar experience. Was deciding between Phenom or a Q6600, I went with the Q6600. I ended up using it from like 2007 or 2008 until 2011 so 3-4 years. In that time if I had stuck with AMD I would have had to get an AM2 Phenom with an AM2 board, then a new CPU because the Phenom I's were awful, then a new motherboard, and I still would barely be edging out the Intel system...
 
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It depends heavily on the games you play. There are infinitely more titles that benefit Intel architecture, a lot of which would cover for a slightly weaker GPU (look at Skyrim benchmarks, where an i3 is on par for the 8350 x.x). In the next 3 years 4 threads should become the baseline (instead of 1-2 that we get now) with a lot more titles supporting upwards of 8, but at that point even the cheaper AMD and Intel CPU's will probably handily outperform even the top dogs now..
Skyrim has the code of a potato is why. Its like one of the worse coded old game engines alive. Its not that its the CPU's fault its that the software is lagging behind. Hell not even windows could address the new arch of Bulldozer/Piledriver they had to bring out a patch/fix just to make it work correctly, again is it the CPU's fault? nope, its software again. We all have plenty of CPU power since 4yrs ago, its now up to the lazy ass people to code for the hardware to take advantage of it. Hardware is light years ahead of software, its software that has to play the catch up game.

We should see within the next 2yrs games coded a lot better for 8 core/threaded CPU's because of the next gen consoles.
 
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Thats no problem, i will buy a motherboard with 4 dimms with two 4 gb sticks of ddr3 1600mhz ram, if i need more in the future i can always add
Just get the 16GB now, it's only $30 more. RAM is at it's cheapest, I guarantee in a few years time it'll cost significantly more than $30 extra you're opting out of, plus you'll struggle to find the same brand models type.


There are games out right now like Crysis 2, Crysis 3, Max Payne 3, BF3 which use almost 8GB already. For anyone that contradicts this fact I challenge them to turn off virtual memory and watch their game crash after 20mins or witness the "windows has insufficient memory error" after 20mins of game play. Yes disable VM!

It depends heavily on the games you play. There are infinitely more titles that benefit Intel architecture, a lot of which would cover for a slightly weaker GPU (look at Skyrim benchmarks, where an i3 is on par for the 8350 x.x). In the next 3 years 4 threads should become the baseline (instead of 1-2 that we get now) with a lot more titles supporting upwards of 8, but at that point even the cheaper AMD and Intel CPU's will probably handily outperform even the top dogs now.
The i3 should be compared with the FX 6300 pricewise. The FX6300 is on par with it in games and would only out-paste it in games as time goes on. Whilst having the edge in non gaming tasks today.


If we are looking at 5-6 years of life, I don't think this will be a big issue. For example, a person in 2008 will get a E8400, one of the best performing chips for its price. Zoom forward to half-life/end of life in around 2011, it is still a decent performer. Get a bit further to 2012 and you will find that its pointless to drop a Q9550 in for that slight boost, you might as well start again with a 2500K. Do you see why upgradability is not so much of an issue if you are going for top/near top end of the platform? On the other hand, you can choose to get an AM3 board and a 955 during 2009 will find himself stuck with 1090T as the maximum upgrade on the AM3 board purchased in 2009.
In 2009, I got my Athlon II X4, there isn't a single game it couldn't play, in a year or two I could drop in a second hand Phenom IIX6 1100T. AMD does upgradability best.

Heck, there are plenty of low end and midrange mobo chipsets like the AMD 770, AMD 870, 880G from 2009 that are AM3+ ready and support Piledriver with a bios flash and are Steamroller ready! You can't doubt AMD's upgradability.


Heck even the 7025 / nForce 630a chipset from 2007 is AM3+ ready and supports Piledriver! The board is 6 years old!
 
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In 2009, I got my Athlon II X4 ...

Heck even the 7025 / nForce 630a chipset from 2007 is AM3+ ready and supports Piledriver! The board is 6 years old!
Or you could have gotten a 955BE and not upgrade until at least Steamroller. OP is getting top of the line chip (or near top of line), upgrading options are usually limited and not with the money.

The vendor's BIOS support for AMD is pretty good, but given that AM3 is only released in 2009 the earlier nforce boards will not have been able to support bulldozer. We have 955 by then, and your next upgrade would be 8350 now(not that much of an upgrade if you ask me). Or pray Steamroller is still backward compatible with AM3 I see no reason why not, but you can never be so sure).
 
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Or you could have gotten a 955BE and not upgrade until at least Steamroller. OP is getting top of the line chip (or near top of line), upgrading options are usually limited and not with the money.

The vendor's BIOS support for AMD is pretty good, but given that AM3 is only released in 2009 the earlier nforce boards will not have been able to support bulldozer. We have 955 by then, and your next upgrade would be 8350 now(not that much of an upgrade if you ask me). Or pray Steamroller is still backward compatible with AM3 I see no reason why not, but you can never be so sure).
Unfortunately, my board only officially supports up to Phenom IIX6 1100T ATM. Which is strange as a few other boards with the same chipset, and even older chipsets have full AM3+ support. Asus just haven't got around to the bios update.

When I got my Athlon II X4 it was on it's release and paid about £70. The Phenom II X4 was around £150. I couldn't justify spending double for a slight boost, in some cases the missing L3 made virtualy no difference to the performance.
 

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When I got my Athlon II X4 it was on it's release and paid about £70. The Phenom II X4 was around £150. I couldn't justify spending double for a slight boost, in some cases the missing L3 made virtualy no difference to the performance.
If you can get a 1100T for £120 you will be paying (in total) of £190, a bit cheaper if you can sell your x4 off. Performance difference between the phenom II x4 and x6 is almost negligible when it comes to gaming, and indeed the higher clock of x4 usually pulls ahead. Not much different in terms of performance and price if you would have gotten the 955 in first go ( 2 cores would have been important in other applications, but that is unfortunately not our focus in this context)
 
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^^Exactly, if u can reason for 10 pages in a way with proofs then its okay, but fighting for proving ur own views isnt much of a help. And please stop pointing out people who are biased, because the next few post are about that person defending and u prosecuting.
nuff said :laugh:
 
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If you can get a 1100T for £120 you will be paying (in total) of £190, a bit cheaper if you can sell your x4 off. Performance difference between the phenom II x4 and x6 is almost negligible when it comes to gaming, and indeed the higher clock of x4 usually pulls ahead. Not much different in terms of performance and price if you would have gotten the 955 in first go ( 2 cores would have been important in other applications, but that is unfortunately not our focus in this context)
Yeah I'm definitely skipping the Phenom II series all together. I'm upgrading next year for Steamroller or an Intel alternative depending on what's best value for money then.

I'd be selling my current mobo and CPU to sponsor the upgrade. I might keep my RAM or will swap it for one with faster bus speed at the same capacity.
 

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phenoms are out of stock everywhere... their production was halted AFAIK.
 

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phenoms are out of stock everywhere... their production was halted AFAIK.
2nd hand fleabay. Hole I have convinced most that upgradibility is not so important :toast:
 

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You failed to understand OP.

You're faced with a delicious catch-22.
  • Get +15~20% performance and 25~35% lower power draw, with i7-4770K
  • Get +5% frame-rates across your games with the $330 i7-4770K
  • Get +20% frame-rates by buying a $199 FX-8350, and spending the $131 you save on a better graphics card*

*$330 Core i7-4770K + $200 GeForce GTX 660 (total $530) will give you lower frame-rates than $200 FX-8350 + $330 GeForce GTX 670 (total $530).
It seems you didn't get what OP said, right?

He said
"I can spend extra to get a 4770k when it release". He didn't say that he will downgrade other components like GPU by getting i7.
Read his post again.

So that means, his rest of the system will be on same budget except the CPU.
For example: $1000 for System - CPU and he can spend either $200 for FX-8350 or $340 for i7 4770K on top of that.

Then why there is a need to point out at same budget you can get better framerate on this than this?

He asked like,
I can either go with FX-8350 + GTX 670 ($530) or i7 4770K + GTX 670 (660). Money is not a problem, as I can handle that. Which system I have to choose?

In this case, your recommendation will be?
:toast:
 
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It seems you didn't get what OP said, right?

He said
"I can spend extra to get a 4770k when it release". He didn't say that he will downgrade other components like GPU by getting i7.
Read his post again.

So that means, his rest of the system will be on same budget except the CPU.
For example: $1000 for System - CPU and he can spend either $200 for FX-8350 or $340 for i7 4770K on top of that.

Then why there is a need to point out at same budget you can get better framerate on this than this?

He asked like,
I can either go with FX-8350 + GTX 670 ($530) or i7 4770K + GTX 670 (660). Money is not a problem, as I can handle that. Which system I have to choose?

In this case, your recommendation will be?
:toast:
This: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2894035&postcount=76

Maybe read the whole thread.
 

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I dont know why this thread is still active. The very simple way of condensing these 5 pages is:

Wait for the 4770K and AMD's new CPU to be released.

That is literally it. Everything else is just posting for the sake of it.
 

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I dont know why this thread is still active. The very simple way of condensing these 5 pages is:

Wait for the 4770K and AMD's new CPU to be released.

That is literally it. Everything else is just posting for the sake of it.
Or get 3570K/3770K now and ignore Haswell/Steamroller. Or, wait for Haswell which comes out in a month's time, and get either Haswell or IVB. Or, get a FX6300 now, and then upgrade again in maybe 3 years time to *insert construction vehicle*, and hope that its socket compatible. Boatloads of options, my preferred advice is to wait for Haswell and depending on the performance, get either that or the soon to be discounted 3570K. Or, if OP is going to wait till the end of the year, everyone can go back home and return when Steamroller is out, as you prescribed.
 
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