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G.Skill Ripjaws V 3600MHz or Trident Z 3866MHz?

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Sup everyone.

Quick question, which one would be the best choice between these Ram?

G.Skill Ripjaws V 3600MHz

RipJaws V.PNG





Trident Z 3866MHz

Trident Z.PNG



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3866 better timing at higher speeds.
 
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Trident Z all the way, they are likely B-Die with the A1 PCB which are the best for high freq with low latency oc's.
 

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That is what i thought plus i guess they could be pushed to 4000MHz+
I'm guessing from those timings they are Samsung B-die...really can't go wrong unless the price is 30% or more...unless F*ck it! you want them for the right reasons....to tinker with
 
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I have the 2x8GB (16GB) 3200 CL14 kit and was able to go over 4000 with reasonable latency and voltages.

Also you may want to do Dual Rank memory, which provides additional latency benefit, but for that I think you need 2x16GB kit?
 

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No RGB for me:D, 3200 ram not the best choice considering i already have G.Skill Ripjaws V 3000MHz OC'ed at 3300MHz

but for that I think you need 2x16GB kit?
I would prefer the standard 4x8GB kit

unless the price is 30% or more...unless F*ck it! you want them for the right reasons....to tinker with
EUR 364,45 4x8GB Kit
 
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No RGB for me:D, 3200 ram not the best choice considering i already have G.Skill Ripjaws V 3000MHz OC'ed at 3300MHz



I would prefer the standard 4x8GB kit



EUR 364,45 4x8GB Kit
The 3200 CL14 is B die ram, it is the same ram as the 3866 and 3600 and can easily reach those frequencies. If you can't go over 3300 now you probably don't have B die, what is your CL?

edit: see this page to get an idea of ram speed vs latency on Coffee Lake https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews...e_Lake_Memory_Performance_Benchmark_Analysis/
 

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Trident Z all the way, they are likely B-Die with the A1 PCB which are the best for high freq with low latency oc's.
I believe that the lower speeds (not that 3600 or 3866 is slow or low memory speeds) but I believe that these are both not B die. From what little I know the B die ram has to be the same number across the timings... So something like this or these would be B die. Unless you go past 4000+ speeds and buy very specific kits, you'll not get B die :) I've E and B die kits here at the moment :)
 

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If you can't go over 3300 now you probably don't have B die
In fact it is not B die


Capturev.jpg


but I believe that these are both not B die
Even there are not B die it is ok for me, i got my Ripjaws V D-die 3000MHz to 3300MHz and i guess pushing the Trident Z from 3866MHz to 4000Mhz shouldn't be a problem

From what little I know the B die ram has to be the same number across the timings...
Guess you are right.

But if the B die ram has to be the same number across the timings how it comes that my G.skill 15-15-15-35 it is not B-die?
 
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The 3000 and 3200 14-14-14-34 are always B die and it is often cheaper than the higher mhz kits but clocks to the same frequencies as it is also B die. The CL14 is the give away.

Here is one of my dimms:
3200cl14bdie.jpg

This site claims to locate SKU with B die, not sure how accurate the site is, but you can't go wrong with anything that is 14 cas latency.
https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/


edit: looking back at the coffee lake thread I posted 4300 on this ram without running obscene voltages through my IMC or anything.
https://valid.x86.fr/qpyumu
 
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And from that list i found the Trident Z F4-3866C18Q-32GTZ listed B-die, in the pic i posted above it is the same model number
If it is a good price go for it. :toast: It should easily do 4000+ if my ram could do it.
 

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That's a lot of money for ram? Only you can make that decision, though.
 

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That's a lot of money for ram? Only you can make that decision, though.
The price it is not a problem at all
 
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I know that my 3466 ram will do 4000, it just needs a little volts that's all :) B die overclocking is 'fun' :D
 

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I know that my 3466 ram will do 4000, it just needs a little volts that's all :) B die overclocking is 'fun' :D
First i want to try stock voltages and see what i can get, i have seem people with 1.41V is it safe?

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G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3866 mhz quad kit overclocked to 4400 mhz with cl 18/19/19/19/37/ 2t @ 1.42v with no issues.
 
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Yeah if there's a bit of an air flow over it, it's fine :) For 4Ghz I think we had used something like 1.65v for the ram :) Never really that much of an issue.. With some DDR3 using 2v+ wasn't unheard of :)
 

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Memory G.SKILL Trident Z 3866MHz @4000MHz - G.SKILL RIPJAWSX V 3000MHz 32GB - G.SKILL RIPJAWSX 2133MHz 12GB
Video Card(s) EVGA GEFORCE GTX 1080 CLASSIFIED/ Zotac 210
Storage Samsung 960 EVO - Samsung 850 EVO 250GB - WD Blue 1TB - WD Black 1TB/ Samsung EVO 250GB
Display(s) Asus PG278Q ROG/ Samsung
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Power Supply Enermax Platimax 1000W 80plus platinum Super Overclock Edition ATX2
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Keyboard Virtuis Advanced Gaming Keyboard
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#22
The Ram will be delivered on Monday, that said i will post after i do some overclock/tests
 
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#23
What did you end up going for in the end @Knoxx29 ? :)
 
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#24
Ripjaws = higher sub-timings compared to TridentZ but you can always lowered it by yourself.
Also Ripjaws always use 8 layers PCB while TridentZ use 10 layers PCB so TDZ always overclock better. You may not notice in 1.45V 24/7 OC but difference when benching at 2V+ 4000+ 12-11-11-28 is huge.
 

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#25
What did you end up going for in the end @Knoxx29 ? :)
Trident Z 3866MHz and for what I've seen the model number F4-3866C18Q-32GTZ should be B-die, i hope so.
 
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