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Gaming at 5K : GTX TITAN Z Review

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About a couple of month ago, I was wondering what's 5K and why it was mentioned in official GTX TITAN Z
presentation at GTC 2014. In the presentation I'd watched, the GTX TITAN Z is described as "the first graphics
card that is 5K-Ready". From this, I planned to test several highest-end graphics cards at super-high resolution
above QHD. First, I designed the test scenarios as follow:

- 2560 x 1600 (4 million pixels)
- 5760 x 1080 (3-way surround of 1920 x 1080, 6 million pixels)
- 4096 x 2160 (4K, 8 million pixels)
- 7680 x 1600 (3-way surround of 2560 x 1600, 12 million pixels)
- 5120 x 2700 (5K, 14 million pixels)

For the test, all games are to be set at their highest graphics quality option except anti-aliasing : Speaking
anti-aliasing, I seperate all test scenarios (except for Bioshock : Infinite) into two groups - one for without
AA, another for with 4x AA. For Bioshock, I assumed its DX11+DDOF preset as "with 4x AA" as well as DX11 preset as
"without AA" since the official benchmark tool didn't offer such options.

And to adopt super-high resolutions in ordinary display(s), I used Eyefinity and NV Surround as well as "User
Defined Resolution" in NV Control Panel (for NVIDIA, of course). Specifically as follow:

- 2560 x 1600 : Nothing special
- 5760 x 1080 : AMD - Eyefinity / NVIDIA - NV Surround (both 3 x 1920x1080)
- 4096 x 2160 : AMD - Eyefinity (2 x 2048x2160) / NVIDIA - NVCP User Define (single display, upscaled)
- 7680 x 1600 : AMD - Eyefinity / NVIDIA - NV Surround (both 3 x 2560x1600)
- 5120 x 2700 : AMD - Eyefinity (4 x 2560x1350) / NVIDIA - NVCP User Define (single display, upscaled)
(for detailed info, see Ch2 and Ch3 of this article : http://iyd.kr/649)

For 4K and 5K, AMD and NVIDIA are not perfectly variable-controlled. (at least the # of display used are
different!) With keeping it in mind, I'm going to analyze how this -AMD's to control multiple display while
NVIDIA's to control just a single display- affect the overall performance at the end of the article.

Well, here's the system setting.



Here's the performance summaries. Note that the "Raw Data" graphs actually analyze nothing but show accumulated
framerates, and I guess everybody knows that just summing up framerates from all different games are virtually
incomparable. I intentionally put these graphs for two reasons : one is to emphasize that, for a single data set,
there is no such "only way" to analyze it. Two is to show that, by comparing "Raw Data" graphs and "Normalized"
graphs, how an "AMD/NVIDIA-freidnly" game affects and actually distorts the results. (For example, Batman -a true
friend of NVIDIA graphics card- gives a massive plus to NVIDIA graphics cards so that NVIDIA keeps relatively-
higher rank than AMD in Raw Data graphs, while we can see the contrary in Normalized graphs : AMD yields small but
many surpluses from many other game, and such "small but many" surpluses eventually exceeds the amount AMD loses
from Batman.)
(Full test results are here : http://iyd.kr/649)












As a summary, I think we all agree these three conclusions:
- Gaming at 5K isn't really tangible. After all, framerates from highest graphics solution are terrible.
- (Despite above,) a pair of 290X offers best relative performance at super-high resolutions.
- (Despite above two,) the GTX TITAN Z is the only single graphics card that is "capable" of 5K gaming.

Well, the test is over. Thanks for reading!
(Just because I'm Korean and I'm not that fluent in English, it takes a couple of days to translate my article
into English. Hope that I could do this faster, so that I could provide a better understanding.)
 
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Slower than 2 R9 290's, and considering it's like triple the price tag....
Nvidia, what were you thinking...? :slap:
 
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worse scaling ever !

pay $6000 for a pair of titan-z and you'll get 10% FPS increase compared with your already (well overrated) single titan-z
 
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Jesus Christ, what's the point of having Titan z when two r9 290x's and two 780 ti's offer a better price for performance? Bragging rights?
 
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Wow, this is actually worse than I was expecting. Titan-Z really is just a joke, there was not even a single test it did well in with the exception of the whole "5k" thing which is not even tangible on it at all.
 
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Jesus Christ, what's the point of having Titan z when two r9 290x's and two 780 ti's offer a better price for performance? Bragging rights?
No point at all, even if you are a heavy compute user you can spend the same $3K on three Titan Blacks for the price of this joke of a card and still get 50% or more compute power.

Nvidia seriously needs to address their pricing structure or they risk alienating their loyal users, and I speak as a loyal Nvidia costumer myself, I've spent literally thousands of dollars on their cards, but this cannot go on. :shadedshu:
 
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I game at 5760x1080, and two Titans work


No point at all, even if you are a heavy compute user you can spend the same $3K on three Titan Blacks for the price of this joke of a card and still get 50% or more compute power.

Nvidia seriously needs to address their pricing structure or they risk alienating their loyal users, and I speak as a loyal Nvidia costumer myself, I've spend literally thousands of dollars on their cards, but this cannot go on. :shadedshu:
^This, this is 100% accurate! I literally cannot find a decent scenario that this card would make sense at least from a logical standpoint.
 
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great. What does NVIDIA says about this for a $$$$$ card?

@DGLee Why not include the 295x2 vs the titan black sli? ^_^ as far as Ive read, scaling of 295X2 is better than 2x 290x . Somebody correct me if I am wrong
 
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I told you last 2 years something really bad happen in head of NVIDIA CEO and we must pay crazy price for their other projects.
TITAN Z not worth over 2000$.
 
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The problem is Rory @ AMD is getting the same kind of ideas. Reality should set in on him though because your avg. AMD customer won't overpay (Before someone brings up miners, that's a completely different market. Same product, but different market.) $1500 for the 295x2 only looks acceptable because it's 1/2 the price of nVidia's dual card offering and the abysmal reference cooler on the 290/290X. It's still overpriced.
 
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Interesting AMDs cards are noticeably better with AA on.
 
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Slower than 2 R9 290's, and considering it's like triple the price tag....
Nvidia, what were you thinking...? :slap:
And it's claiming to be the "first 5k ready" card. What a bunch of crap.
 
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Where did he get the Titan Z from? It's been intentionally held back because Nvidia know it's not up to speed , literally. This review is not yet valid. They're working feverishly to get better scaling from the driver.

Though it's still a total disaster for Nvidia no matter what.
 

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Where did he get the Titan Z from?
I am also curious about this...

Also interesting to see AMD push ahead of the competition when AA'ing is implemented, most interesting indeed.
 
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I am also curious about this...

Also interesting to see AMD push ahead of the competition when AA'ing is implemented, most interesting indeed.
The numbers look sound and I seem to remember an article that showed that AMD cards take less of a hit from MSAA than Nvidia cards which is why Nvidia made TXAA or whatever it's called.
 
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For 3 grand they'll smash Titan-Z with or without AA. :D
It is indeed absurd you can get crossfire X for the same price as (effectively) sli. Given the 295x appearance, Titan Z really needs to be £1500.
 

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Given the 295x appearance, Titan Z really needs to be £1500.
You and I both know NVidia aren't going to do that. It simply isn't in their nature to be "realistic" about these things.
 
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The numbers look sound and I seem to remember an article that showed that AMD cards take less of a hit from MSAA than Nvidia cards which is why Nvidia made TXAA or whatever it's called.
That may be true, but TXAA was actually inspired by AMDs shader AA if I recall, which was implemented briefly for R600 (their worst card to date IMO) because it DIDN'T HAVE A MSAA ENGINE AT ALL, lolz.

Pretty fail... of course that was years ago and AMD has learned a lot. Their AA is now back in hardware where it belongs, and seemingly does a pretty damn good job.
 
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The numbers look sound and I seem to remember an article that showed that AMD cards take less of a hit from MSAA than Nvidia cards which is why Nvidia made TXAA or whatever it's called.
I think Nvidia's one was FXAA, I could be wrong though.

I too find it interesting that AMD seems to pull ahead when AA is enabled.
 
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Interesting AMDs cards are noticeably better with AA on.
The 64 ROP backend of the 290/290X is most likely providing the benefit here.

Where did he get the Titan Z from? It's been intentionally held back because Nvidia know it's not up to speed , literally. This review is not yet valid. They're working feverishly to get better scaling from the driver.

Though it's still a total disaster for Nvidia no matter what.
IIRC he is mimiking a Titan Z by downclocking two GK110's (assumed to be 780TI's) to the rumoured Titan Z clocks.
 
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Memory Corsair Vengeance DDR4 2666 16gb (4x4gb) CL 16 / 1333mhz DDR3 96gb 12 x 8gb / 12gb DDR3 3 x 4gb
Video Card(s) GTX Titan XP (2025mhz) / Asus GTX 950 (No Power Connector) / GTX 880m
Storage Samsung 840/850 512gb Raid 0, WD Velociraptor 600gb x 5 Raid 5 / 300gb 15k RPM x 8 / 2x 240gb Adata
Display(s) Acer XG270HU 1440p 144hz Freesync, Acer B286HK 4K UHD Monitor, 1 Hanns-G 27inch 1920x1080p Monitor
Case Corsair Obsidian 800D / Dell Poweredge R710 Rack Mount Case / MSI Gaming 17inch
Audio Device(s) Realtec ALC1150 (On board)
Power Supply Rosewill Lightning 1300Watt
Mouse Logitech G5
Keyboard Logitech G19S
Software Windows 10 Pro / Windows Server 2008 R2 / Windows 10 Pro
#24
It is indeed absurd you can get crossfire X for the same price as (effectively) sli. Given the 295x appearance, Titan Z really needs to be £1500.
But..but..That would make sense :p

Either way it comes down to this in the end.
If you need dual GPU cards, get the 295X2, or if you just want to run SLI or CFX then buy 780ti's or 290X cards. Heck you can buy 4 R9 290 cards for around the same price as a 295X2 :p. But you could buy any 4 single GPU cards (Minus Titan and black) and save money from Titan-Z.