- Joined
- Feb 22, 2009
- Messages
- 762 (0.14/day)
| System Name | Lenovo 17IMH05H |
|---|---|
| Processor | Core i7 10750H |
| Video Card(s) | GTX 1660 Ti |
| Audio Device(s) | SSL2 |
| Software | Windows 10 Pro 22H2 |
| Benchmark Scores | i've got a shitload of them in 15 years of TPU membership |
Back in January 2016 i made a test about Intel Core i7 6700K virtual cores performance numbers in gaming. Short story back then was that hyperthreading offered no FPS improvement in any of my tested 21 games. Not only that, but about half of the tested games showed slight performance decrements with HT on.:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...rks-core-i7-6700k-hyperthreading-test.219417/
Things have changed a lot since then:
1. 17 new games have been added, way more modern in terms of performance demands, and only the most demanding 3 games back from the previous test will be retested per new.
2. GTX 1080 Ti will replace GTX 780 Ti to ensure no bottleneck on part of GPU will happen.
3. Seeing as Core i5 8400 beats Core i7 6700K in every modern game i have seen all over the internet benchmarks, i have to wonder is this not only because of the additional two cores of Core i5, but also due to the fact that virtual cores of Core i7 might actually hamper the performance in some games? Because we know that was the case in previous tests.
What i actually expect now is to see some performance gains from Core i7 hyperthreading just like from Core i3 hyperthreading (which was noted a millennia ago). It is now 10 years since Core i7 {4 cores/ 8 threads} processors have their name etched, but only recently compared to the whole 10 year perdiod we finally got our ''4+4'' HT supportive games like Ashes of Singularity, so let's see how further an overclocked GTX 1080 Ti can push CPU HT..
TEST SETUP
Intel Core i7 6700K 4.5 GHz
Asus Maximus 8 Ranger
Kingston Hyperx Fury 2X8 GB DDR4 2666 MHz C14
Reference GeForce GTX 1080 Ti OC {maximum boost clock 1974 MHz}
Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
NVIDIA 411.70
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ASHES OF SINGULARITY
Starting with a fact that is world wide known by now, HT does increase performance. This is the only game in my list where CPU utilization is higher than GPU - 99 % vs. ''only'' 70 %... In non of the later games will CPU utilization reach over 50 %, while GPU will vary a lot with most times maxed out.
BATTLEFIELD 1
Reduce image quality, play in multi player, and you will likely see even more HT gains. Testing many times in a row, it is fair to say, that the evidence of HT performance gains is unquestionable.
CALL of DUTY WW2
Testing many times in row i must state that HT hurts performance very notably. WTF - in one of the latest and most demanding games of the franchise this is unacceptable!
COMPANY OF HEROES 2
Retesting a very demanding RTS confirms what was observed in my previous 2016 benchmark - HT hurts performance slightly. This is no margin of error, the benchmark results are very constant. With AA disabled the difference is even greater. CoH 2 built in benchmark is the most stable i have ever tested in any game - with variables lower than 1 % in each successive test.
CRYSIS 3
Retesting the benchmark god game again confirms the results of the 2016 test - constant performance drops with HT on. GTX 780 Ti was way too weak to handle Crysis 3 over 60 FPS minimum at max settings anyway. Having double checked the ''old'' games, let's move to more modern titles.
DEUS EX MANKIND DIVIDED
Core i7 4/4, having done many tests in a row, never reached the top results like Core i7 4/8 did, so i have to assume HT does increase performance here.
DIRT 4
The results are within the margin of error.
DOOM
To confirm the abysmall performance of HT, i've done tests in several other levels, but with the same shocking outcome. HT is horrible in Doom.
F1 2017
HT increases performance for sure. The F1 game built in benchmark is quite stable and repetitive anyway.
FAR CRY 5
Because the max FPS are the same, i can not confirm that HT hurts performance here, but it definitely does not help. The built in benchark of Far Cry 5 seems to be very constant with results.
GHOST RECON WILDLANDS
Together with the built in benchmark i also tested the single player launch checkpoint as well as made tests on lowest preset possible to confirm that there is absolutely no performance gain with HT on.
MASS EFFECT ANDROMEDA
To think how GTX 1080 Ti performance might be hampered just due to the HT factor is sad. Second worse case after Doom.
PREY
Great minimal FPS gain with HT on, but you would not notice any difference unless you tweak the cfg, as the game runs at 144 FPS. I had to unlock 300 FPS to see the difference.
PROJECT CARS 2
No difference.
RISE OF TOMB RAIDER
The results are within the margin of error. Equal performance i'd say.
SNIPER ELITE 4
When you have got that many FPS, it does not matter, but HT does the job it was foretold to do in ages past.
TOTAL WAR WARHAMMER 2
Yet another very stable and constant build in benchmark shows clear HT performance gains. Enabling 4X AA would actually bottleneck GTX 1080 Ti, and show no difference of CPU performance! Brutal.
VANISHING OF ETHAN CARTER REDUX
Redux means that the game has been re-released in 2015 with Unreal4 engine instead of the original 2014 release with Unreal3 engine, and that shows - HT clearly adds to FPS and this is no margin error, because the results are very very constant within each run - great optimization.
WATCH DONGS 2
This must be a known case and i am glad to confirm that HT improves performance in Watch Dogs 2.
WITCHER 3
The final game is a revisit from the previous 2016 benchmark, and just as before we see that there is no performance difference whatsoever. This clearly had to be done, as GTX 780 Ti GHz Edition and GTX 980 G1 Gaming were averaging 59 FPS and 64 FPS, respectively, and clearly were holding the game compared to GTX 1080 Ti.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unlike before, there is no general conclusion after this benchmark as what to think of the past generation Core i7 {4 cores/ 8 threads} processors hyperthreading these days. Many games show clear evidence of HT performance gains, but there are still so many games in which HT absolutely sucks. We have waited so long for Core i7 HT to gain ground on gaming, that eventually Core i5 {6 cores/ 6 threads } processors appeared and bested all existing previous generation Core i7 {4 cores/ 8 threads} processors in gaming! I guess what can i really say in the end is ''know your game'': do research before committing on long playing hours, recording and walkthroughs on your games with your Core i7.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...rks-core-i7-6700k-hyperthreading-test.219417/
Things have changed a lot since then:
1. 17 new games have been added, way more modern in terms of performance demands, and only the most demanding 3 games back from the previous test will be retested per new.
2. GTX 1080 Ti will replace GTX 780 Ti to ensure no bottleneck on part of GPU will happen.
3. Seeing as Core i5 8400 beats Core i7 6700K in every modern game i have seen all over the internet benchmarks, i have to wonder is this not only because of the additional two cores of Core i5, but also due to the fact that virtual cores of Core i7 might actually hamper the performance in some games? Because we know that was the case in previous tests.
What i actually expect now is to see some performance gains from Core i7 hyperthreading just like from Core i3 hyperthreading (which was noted a millennia ago). It is now 10 years since Core i7 {4 cores/ 8 threads} processors have their name etched, but only recently compared to the whole 10 year perdiod we finally got our ''4+4'' HT supportive games like Ashes of Singularity, so let's see how further an overclocked GTX 1080 Ti can push CPU HT..
TEST SETUP
Intel Core i7 6700K 4.5 GHz
Asus Maximus 8 Ranger
Kingston Hyperx Fury 2X8 GB DDR4 2666 MHz C14
Reference GeForce GTX 1080 Ti OC {maximum boost clock 1974 MHz}
Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
NVIDIA 411.70
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ASHES OF SINGULARITY
Starting with a fact that is world wide known by now, HT does increase performance. This is the only game in my list where CPU utilization is higher than GPU - 99 % vs. ''only'' 70 %... In non of the later games will CPU utilization reach over 50 %, while GPU will vary a lot with most times maxed out.
BATTLEFIELD 1
Reduce image quality, play in multi player, and you will likely see even more HT gains. Testing many times in a row, it is fair to say, that the evidence of HT performance gains is unquestionable.
CALL of DUTY WW2
Testing many times in row i must state that HT hurts performance very notably. WTF - in one of the latest and most demanding games of the franchise this is unacceptable!
COMPANY OF HEROES 2
Retesting a very demanding RTS confirms what was observed in my previous 2016 benchmark - HT hurts performance slightly. This is no margin of error, the benchmark results are very constant. With AA disabled the difference is even greater. CoH 2 built in benchmark is the most stable i have ever tested in any game - with variables lower than 1 % in each successive test.
CRYSIS 3
Retesting the benchmark god game again confirms the results of the 2016 test - constant performance drops with HT on. GTX 780 Ti was way too weak to handle Crysis 3 over 60 FPS minimum at max settings anyway. Having double checked the ''old'' games, let's move to more modern titles.
DEUS EX MANKIND DIVIDED
Core i7 4/4, having done many tests in a row, never reached the top results like Core i7 4/8 did, so i have to assume HT does increase performance here.
DIRT 4
The results are within the margin of error.
DOOM
To confirm the abysmall performance of HT, i've done tests in several other levels, but with the same shocking outcome. HT is horrible in Doom.
F1 2017
HT increases performance for sure. The F1 game built in benchmark is quite stable and repetitive anyway.
FAR CRY 5
Because the max FPS are the same, i can not confirm that HT hurts performance here, but it definitely does not help. The built in benchark of Far Cry 5 seems to be very constant with results.
GHOST RECON WILDLANDS
Together with the built in benchmark i also tested the single player launch checkpoint as well as made tests on lowest preset possible to confirm that there is absolutely no performance gain with HT on.
MASS EFFECT ANDROMEDA
To think how GTX 1080 Ti performance might be hampered just due to the HT factor is sad. Second worse case after Doom.
PREY
Great minimal FPS gain with HT on, but you would not notice any difference unless you tweak the cfg, as the game runs at 144 FPS. I had to unlock 300 FPS to see the difference.
PROJECT CARS 2
No difference.
RISE OF TOMB RAIDER
The results are within the margin of error. Equal performance i'd say.
SNIPER ELITE 4
When you have got that many FPS, it does not matter, but HT does the job it was foretold to do in ages past.
TOTAL WAR WARHAMMER 2
Yet another very stable and constant build in benchmark shows clear HT performance gains. Enabling 4X AA would actually bottleneck GTX 1080 Ti, and show no difference of CPU performance! Brutal.
VANISHING OF ETHAN CARTER REDUX
Redux means that the game has been re-released in 2015 with Unreal4 engine instead of the original 2014 release with Unreal3 engine, and that shows - HT clearly adds to FPS and this is no margin error, because the results are very very constant within each run - great optimization.
WATCH DONGS 2
This must be a known case and i am glad to confirm that HT improves performance in Watch Dogs 2.
WITCHER 3
The final game is a revisit from the previous 2016 benchmark, and just as before we see that there is no performance difference whatsoever. This clearly had to be done, as GTX 780 Ti GHz Edition and GTX 980 G1 Gaming were averaging 59 FPS and 64 FPS, respectively, and clearly were holding the game compared to GTX 1080 Ti.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unlike before, there is no general conclusion after this benchmark as what to think of the past generation Core i7 {4 cores/ 8 threads} processors hyperthreading these days. Many games show clear evidence of HT performance gains, but there are still so many games in which HT absolutely sucks. We have waited so long for Core i7 HT to gain ground on gaming, that eventually Core i5 {6 cores/ 6 threads } processors appeared and bested all existing previous generation Core i7 {4 cores/ 8 threads} processors in gaming! I guess what can i really say in the end is ''know your game'': do research before committing on long playing hours, recording and walkthroughs on your games with your Core i7.
Last edited:
