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Hi Guys,

gewtting my new z370 rig and i want to know what mhz speed i should focus on what timings and if it doesn't matter. i would appreciate your feedback.

By the way i will get the G Skill TRIDENTz RGB ram
 
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Memory-dependency varies by application or game. Not all software benefits from faster memory.
In general the lower latency memory is the better, the only problem/variable there is price.

As EarthDog already said, 3200 seems to be the sweetspot for price/speed right now.
 
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Get the best you can afford.

If you have some knowledge about overclocking you can pick 3200 CL14 which is SS b-die then overclock easily to 4000+. Lot of my friends get 4133-4266 on those kit (Galax HOF since TridentZ 3200 CL14 is not available in my country).

 
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I wouldnt bother overclocking memory unless you benchmark. ;)
 
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I consider it necessary for my games like cities skylines 100K+ populations and Totalwar Series with thousand of units on screen.
 
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One off situations. What are you actual gains in those titles from 3200 to 4k mem?
 
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I got G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3333 Timing 16-16-16-36 Model F4-3333C16Q-32GVR for my Gigabyte Z370 AORUS Gaming 7. It was approved by Gigabyte for the motherboard. I finally got my 8700k, putting it all together this weekend...hopefully.
 
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Get the best you can afford.

If you have some knowledge about overclocking you can pick 3200 CL14 which is SS b-die then overclock easily to 4000+. Lot of my friends get 4133-4266 on those kit (Galax HOF since TridentZ 3200 CL14 is not available in my country).

Looking at this its clear as day: you'll want to find 3200mhz C16, for skylake at least.
 
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Lower latency 3200 is good. The 6 core chips are hit and miss with their IMC's. They can usually run higher clocked RAM, but then require a bit more VCCSA voltage which = more heat.
 
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I wouldnt bother overclocking memory unless you benchmark. ;)
Don't see a good reason why not, if you have the time and interest to do the research to avoid the pitfalls. Only then, can you discover your true headroom. Normally, people who chase after these margins are already on the edge anyway -- like 144hz with the matching GPU and CPU horsepower. They are pushing boundaries that the fledgling majority are ignorant of and can't even fathom why minimum frames, responsiveness, and just pure performance even matter.

I consider it necessary for my games like cities skylines 100K+ populations and Totalwar Series with thousand of units on screen.
It's your time and I appreciate you sharing the results, even though many consider it niche.
 
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Old thread, lol!

For me, its time and level of effort versus results. I know the time sink it can be, and i know what results it yields. Unless you are that person chasing after 1%, like benchmarking, its worth it. Otherwise to me, it isnt. Its obviously up to tbe person making the effort. I disagree the majority who want to overclock memory are pushing limits. I see more people wanting to do it because its next on the list and believing one off results are more normal. ;)
 
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If I have plenty of time I will retest again with 8700K. This time I think I will test with 2400 2666 2933 3200 3466 3733 4000 4133.

Probably I will include 720p low to see full potential of scaling and 1440p with appropriate settings for 980 Ti OC like my earlier test.
 
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maybe if ya got time would you Mr.Enterprise24 try one test with manually optimised 2nd + 3rd timings 2133mhz(or 2400 or higher) run ?
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If I have plenty of time I will retest again with 8700K. This time I think I will test with 2400 2666 2933 3200 3466 3733 4000 4133.

Probably I will include 720p low to see full potential of scaling and 1440p with appropriate settings for 980 Ti OC like my earlier test.
Dont test 720p... you are exaggerating a difference not found at normal resolutions just to find a difference....
 
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DDR4 3200 14-14-14 timings are King - even better than 4000+ mhz plus modules according to some gaming benchmarks I have seen. Can't find the link right now. 1440p the gains are minimal though I admit. but still it is the sweet spot imo for overall snappiness in everything.
 
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1080p with an overclocked 1080ti and no AA testing.... interesting.

Seems like the ram is tweaked as well to reach ddr4 3600 cl15...


I wonder what its like with out of the box ram and testing with AA at 1080p (needed and easily handled by 1080ti) or 1440p... lots of testing done in exaggerated environments...
 
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yeah they use 1,50volt for the adata 3200 ram at 3600mhz.
wow 32fps more in witcher 3 ?

is this average+max framerate or minimum?
 
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1080p with an overclocked 1080ti and no AA testing.... interesting.

Seems like the ram is tweaked as well to reach ddr4 3600 cl15...


I wonder what its like with out of the box ram and testing with AA at 1080p (needed and easily handled by 1080ti) or 1440p... lots of testing done in exaggerated environments...
You can call testing 1050/1060/1070 GPUs on i7 8700K /i9 7900X rigs like most reviewers do exaggerated as well, but nobody seems to have a problem with that. It's a ram test, therefore they test settings and locations that expose differences in ram. You're thinking of GPU tests that you want.
 
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1.5v is a lot for 3600-CAS15, but they were probably dialing in a lazy OC. My semi-lazy OC of 3600-CAS15-1T is tested over a few weeks at 1.4v. Anyone know what part of W3 they ran through with their benchmark?

They were obviously just testing the effect of speed on the same CAS latency, but it is slightly interesting that games are responding to it.

The figures on these benches are normally minimums and averages.
 
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You can call testing 1050/1060/1070 GPUs on i7 8700K /i9 7900X rigs like most reviewers do exaggerated as well, but nobody seems to have a problem with that. It's a ram test, therefore they test settings and locations that expose differences in ram. You're thinking of GPU tests that you want.
I'm not thinking of GPU testing. All I am saying is I am a bit tired of seeing reviews which create unrealistic environments to exaggerate a difference which does not extrapolate to more realistic resolutions.

Running at 1080Ti overclocked at 1080p without AA, how does that show me what will happen at 1440p, or 1080p with AA which is a lot more appropriate for the hardware?

As far as your example as exaggerated, I don't see an issue with the latest CPUs, in particular, the 8700K or 7700K, mainstream CPUs for this testing. I wouldn't mind seeing testing done with 8700K and 1050/1060/1070/1080/1080Ti/Vega 56/vega64. This will end up showing if it makes a difference in the cards used as that will change as well considering the difference in data coming through. ;)

This was a neat exercise and shows good info for these settings (that few run). Outside of that, it doesn't show much at all considering it doesn't scale remotely like that.
 
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Running at 1080Ti overclocked at 1080p without AA, how does that show me what will happen at 1440p, or 1080p with AA which is a lot more appropriate for the hardware?
It doesn't cause it's a RAM test.
When I made my thread about EDRAM on 5775c I used 1080p low settings in possibly the most demanding CPU scenarios I could think of.
When you test ram for games you have to be cpu bottlenecked, same as you test a gpu you have to be gpu bottlenecked, like I said no one seems to have a problem with testing at 1050Ti/1060 type of card with top of the line CPU. Why ? It's unrealistic as well.
It's good to have tests like that, what people do with the results is their choice, 99% will still try to find the sweet spot, and how are they going to do that without such test ? It proves 3000-3200 is still the sweet spot, if it's proved in most cpu bottlenedked conditions then it's 100% true.
 
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It doesn't cause it's a RAM test.
Yes, its a RAM test to show how it improves FPS in a game. So, wouldn't more valid testing be to at least use AA at 1080p (which is what most users do that have at least half a clue)? People don't run 1080Ti's at 1080p with no AA. To that end, it is exaggerating the results with an unrealistic testing environment. I don't care what card or CPU is used, 1080p with Ultra/High settings and AA his how people do (who aren't running a 1050, lol).

When you test ram for games you have to be cpu bottlenecked, same as you test a gpu you have to be gpu bottlenecked, like I said no one seems to have a problem with testing at 1050Ti/1060 type of card with top of the line CPU. Why ? It's unrealistic as well.
Why do you have to be CPU bottlenecked? You aren't when playing with normal settings? Why fabricate that environmental variable when testing?

You keep harping on low-end cards with high-end CPUs like it has something to do with this. I can't help how others test, nor is that any justification for testing in an equally lopsided manner (and to be clear, I am referring to HEDT CPUs excluding 7740K and its little brother - I believe testing with a 7700K or 8700K is absolutely fine. Plenty buy this way ;)). Can we focus on the discussion :)?

It's good to have tests like that, what people do with the results is their choice, 99% will still try to find the sweet spot, and how are they going to do that without such test ?
There is no way everyone will be happy. My only concern is people see this data and think they will achieve the same results at their settings and resolution. They won't. IMO, the best way to test is more realistic running situations. If you are going to use a 1080Ti down to a 1060, at least run at 1080p Ultra/High with gobs of AA, or better yet, 2560x1440. I feel complete testing will test this fabricated environment and something more realistic so users have results closer to where they play. AS this testing stands, people look at it and think they will see these gains where they play, and they won't.

if it's proved in most cpu bottlenedked conditions then it's 100% true.
It isn't though. That is what I am saying. Because in many games, you are not cpu bottlenecked unless you rock Sandybridge or lower on Intel and every AMD cpu not named Ryzen. Some are, but then are they actually memory bandwidth limited which is what they are actually testing???? Lots of variables... :)


Oh well, a never-ending discussion again. Sorry I brought it up. :)
 
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