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Hi!

Well I bought a 2400G to get the "Full Raven Ridge Experience" and well here are some of my thoughts on it. For starters, the kit I am trying to use (An Avexir 3200 MHz CL16) kit will not run at anything higher than 2866 MHz with either of my 2200G and 2400G in my MSI B350 Mortar Motherboard. So I settled with 2866 C15-16-16-16-36. I have overclocked the iGPU to 1500 MHz, which is quite a nice result. 1600 is just not stable though :( The CPU side is running a t locked 3.9 GHz.

At first I have been playing at 1280x800 on a 19" 1440x900 monitor. I am playing games like Dying Light, Fallout 4, Warframe, PlanetSide 2, so far. I am very impressed! It is managing 50-60fps at medium/low settings (I even use Ultra lighting in Fallout 4). In PlanetSide 2 i ran at native 1440x900 and medium settings. However the real gem of my experience has been Warframe to which I was able to run at 1080p MAX settings.

However. After gaming a lot on the APU I have noticed that I am actually CPU bound a lot of the time. Even at 1080p MAX settings in Warframe (I know it's very CPU heavy) I am 50fps~ CPU bound (The IGPU is at 70-80% utilisation). This is odd to me because all of my other Ryzen parts, 1200, 1600, 1700 and 1800X that I have owned (even at 3.9) have managed a lot higher averages than this. And I play Warframe A LOT so I notice these things. I usually get 70-80fps averages in 4 player matches with lots of mobs with Ryzen. It's 80+ all day on my 4.1 GHz 1800X...

I know this is anecdotal but i have noticed it in Fallout 4 too. I would expect the GPU to be at 100% all the time but something is up. My initial theory is the smaller L3 cache size is hurting the CPU performance and causing it to go to memory more often - and of course with sharing the same interface as a beefy integrated GPU, there's not going to be an awful lot of bandwidth available for the CPU. Could this be the cause? Neither CPU and GPU are at anywhere near full Utiliation and I am unsure of the bottleneck here...

So overall I am very impressed with Raven Ridge. AMD has made a real gem here and I am excited to see what small ITX SFF builds can be possible that have GPU power rivalling/exceeding Xbox one! With a much more capable CPU.

But anyway Is my 2866Mhz ram bottlenecking me massively? I think I will try my RX 560 in instead, and see if the FPS is just as low without the iGPU rendering things. If it's not, that pretty much confirms my theory.
 
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Check the CPU frequency while gaming, previous APUs throttled the CPU when the IGP is in full use.
About the RAM, sounds like the motherboard needs a BIOS patch, but I would check with a higher SoC voltage.
 
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I know this is anecdotal but i have noticed it in Fallout 4 too. I would expect the GPU to be at 100% all the time but something is up. My initial theory is the smaller L3 cache size is hurting the CPU performance and causing it to go to memory more often - and of course with sharing the same interface as a beefy integrated GPU, there's not going to be an awful lot of bandwidth available for the CPU. Could this be the cause? Neither CPU and GPU are at anywhere near full Utiliation and I am unsure of the bottleneck here...



Nah , the hardware is fine. Fallout frequently fluctuates between being CPU and GPU bound or even memory bound , you will never get to see 100% GPU utilization all the time. It also doesn't help that DX11 games aren't exactly kind to AMD's divers , Fallout 4 is notorious for being pretty bad under AMD cards.

But anyway Is my 2866Mhz ram bottlenecking me massively?

Technically you will always be memory bandwidth constrained on an APU but I don't think yo will much gain much going above that.
 
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To be fair Warframe isn't really intensive at all.
 

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True.. I think it's testament to how well optimised it is.
I wouldn't even say that. The only thing that's actually going to stress the GPU is frames and weapons. DE probably figured "let's have poor people play our game too" while putting in CPU-bound particle effects.
 
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I wouldn't even say that. The only thing that's actually going to stress the GPU is frames and weapons. DE probably figured "let's have poor people play our game too" while putting in CPU-bound particle effects.
Huh. I personally think Warframe is a good looking game. *shrugs*

Anyway I have done some more testing with my RX 560 and the average FPS is a lot higher than with the iGPU when I'm CPU bound. It falls in line with my testing with other Ryzen parts in that it's mostly above 80fps.

So perhaps the CPU is throttling, or the bandwidth sharing is affecting it. Well I did have RTSS enabled and checking the CPU clocks and according to afterburner they stayed at 3.9, but that might have mis reported. I will test again with HWINFO64 plugging into RTSS for actual core clock during Gameplay.
 

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It can also be the L3 caché being full.
The jump in performance from Phenom I to Phenom II was mostly the additional L3 caché.
 
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Played some Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus and it's perfectly playable at 1600x900 medium settings with SMAA! Looks really good too. FPS is around mid 40s to 50s.

Does Raven Ridge support Rapid Packed Math? Since its GPU is based on Vega I should think should. In which case it may be helping in this game.
 

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R3 2200g is what it is. Its a poorer version of 1200 with Vega8. Anyway. Sometimes bigger cache will be a big advance, sometimes not. 2200G its made to run on iGPU. Its a low end CPU with low end gpu (hi end for iGPU standards). You are not able to grab more performance with that CPU. It does not matter, 2200g or 2400g.

I oc`ed my VEGA 8 RYZEN 2200G iGPU to 1500MHz with 1,2V + DDR4 2400@3200MHz CL16 1,33V and I beated GTX460 in CINEBENCH R15 OPENGL with my APU ^^ With it is an outstanding resault.

 
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I would love to see someone play Breath of the Wild in it, with a properly configured Cemu.
 
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VEGA 8 vs GT1030 on the same RYZEN 3 2200G ^^
 
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Hi!

Well I bought a 2400G to get the "Full Raven Ridge Experience" and well here are some of my thoughts on it. For starters, the kit I am trying to use (An Avexir 3200 MHz CL16) kit will not run at anything higher than 2866 MHz with either of my 2200G and 2400G in my MSI B350 Mortar Motherboard. So I settled with 2866 C15-16-16-16-36. I have overclocked the iGPU to 1500 MHz, which is quite a nice result. 1600 is just not stable though :( The CPU side is running a t locked 3.9 GHz.

At first I have been playing at 1280x800 on a 19" 1440x900 monitor. I am playing games like Dying Light, Fallout 4, Warframe, PlanetSide 2, so far. I am very impressed! It is managing 50-60fps at medium/low settings (I even use Ultra lighting in Fallout 4). In PlanetSide 2 i ran at native 1440x900 and medium settings. However the real gem of my experience has been Warframe to which I was able to run at 1080p MAX settings.

However. After gaming a lot on the APU I have noticed that I am actually CPU bound a lot of the time. Even at 1080p MAX settings in Warframe (I know it's very CPU heavy) I am 50fps~ CPU bound (The IGPU is at 70-80% utilisation). This is odd to me because all of my other Ryzen parts, 1200, 1600, 1700 and 1800X that I have owned (even at 3.9) have managed a lot higher averages than this. And I play Warframe A LOT so I notice these things. I usually get 70-80fps averages in 4 player matches with lots of mobs with Ryzen. It's 80+ all day on my 4.1 GHz 1800X...

I know this is anecdotal but i have noticed it in Fallout 4 too. I would expect the GPU to be at 100% all the time but something is up. My initial theory is the smaller L3 cache size is hurting the CPU performance and causing it to go to memory more often - and of course with sharing the same interface as a beefy integrated GPU, there's not going to be an awful lot of bandwidth available for the CPU. Could this be the cause? Neither CPU and GPU are at anywhere near full Utiliation and I am unsure of the bottleneck here...

So overall I am very impressed with Raven Ridge. AMD has made a real gem here and I am excited to see what small ITX SFF builds can be possible that have GPU power rivalling/exceeding Xbox one! With a much more capable CPU.

But anyway Is my 2866Mhz ram bottlenecking me massively? I think I will try my RX 560 in instead, and see if the FPS is just as low without the iGPU rendering things. If it's not, that pretty much confirms my theory.

From what I've seen:

  1. These Ryzen APUs are very picky on what memory they like. I'm thinking this may eventually be fixed with microcode, but who knows when? The best 16 GiB DDR4-3200 kit goes for $258, which is a real issue for these budget-oriented chips. It's going to kill a lot of sales, until memory prices fall to sensible levels.

  2. Motherboard BIOSes are yet again buggy. There are likely more memory compatibility troubles there.

  3. The Windows timer bug is present with Raven Ridge. That's going to need fixing.

  4. As with all prior APUs, the thermals are split between the processor and graphics, as you would expect. The graphics chip will have priority over the processor for workloads such as gaming. This is no different to the past 7 years of APUs. I'm sure you know already as well, but Raven Ridge is using Intel-branded toothpaste between the die and heatspreader; a change that is acceptable for budget-oriented chips like these. Nevertheless, the end result is unfavorable. From what I've seen, the APUs reach high temperatures quite quickly with the stock cooler.

What cooler are you using, by the way?
 

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From what I've seen:

  1. These Ryzen APUs are very picky on what memory they like. I'm thinking this may eventually be fixed with microcode, but who knows when? The best 16 GiB DDR4-3200 kit goes for $258, which is a real issue for these budget-oriented chips. It's going to kill a lot of sales, until memory prices fall to sensible levels.

  2. Motherboard BIOSes are yet again buggy. There are likely more memory compatibility troubles there.

  3. The Windows timer bug is present with Raven Ridge. That's going to need fixing.

  4. As with all prior APUs, the thermals are split between the processor and graphics, as you would expect. The graphics chip will have priority over the processor for workloads such as gaming. This is no different to the past 7 years of APUs. I'm sure you know already as well, but Raven Ridge is using Intel-branded toothpaste between the die and heatspreader; a change that is acceptable for budget-oriented chips like these. Nevertheless, the end result is unfavorable. From what I've seen, the APUs reach high temperatures quite quickly with the stock cooler.

What cooler are you using, by the way?

Erm biosupdates are better than when it was launched.
 
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I'm sure you know already as well, but Raven Ridge is using Intel-branded toothpaste between the die and heatspreader; a change that is acceptable for budget-oriented chips like these. Nevertheless, the end result is unfavorable.

What change? Every AMD APU since llano used paste TIM, even the FM1/2/+ Athlons.
 
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it doesn't really get that hot when gaming. Around 60c~

Nice, thanks. Is that with the overclock settings? I've seen another guy's chip reach north of 80°C with a very similar overclock.


What change? Every AMD APU since llano used paste TIM, even the FM1/2/+ Athlons.

It's a change from the other Ryzen chips.
 
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If some1 want to get 2200g/2400g .......... watch out for temperatures with stock cooler!
 
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@adamiakadam00 The voltage those chips are running at is wayy too high!! :twitch: And Furmark is the absolute worst case scenario for temps. The stock cooler did fine under those completely unrealistic conditions imo.

edit - well, not fine, but the result was expected to be frank. The stock cooler does the job it was intended to do.
 
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Yes I know about the voltage. Voltage was on AUTO. CPU speed also. So - guilty is MSI B350 PC MATE BIOS. I dont know does the readings are right. I reported it to MSI and they said that they will prepare new BIOS.
 
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Ah okay, I was suspecting you'd set a +0.2V offset to try to force temps high or something! If CPUZ/Hwinfo is reporting the voltage accurately that's well into the harmful range, I reserve 1.50-1.525 for short benchmark runs only as it will degrade the chip. While you're waiting for a new bios from MSI it might be worth setting a negetive offset in the bios to protect your new apu's. 1.35v should be more than enough for stock clocks and you could probably go quite a bit lower even. 1.45v is about the most you'd want to put through this when overclocking and should get you to 3.9-4.0ghz roughly.

Apologies if you already know some of this :oops:
 
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:) HMMM MSI BIOS is worse than u could imagine. If you set 1.3V - you will never see that number in CPU-z. I dont know why its always on automatic voltages. Its just a MSI`s big ugly bug.

Overvoltage protection AUTO -> ENABLE. Resault? MB do not exceed 1,488V for VCORE :banghead::banghead::banghead:

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