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Gaming PC? 7700K vs Ryzen 7 or wait for canon lake?

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HI I am thinking of getting a new GAMING PC (100% used for gaming and of course media watching).

This post was between 3 Choices : i7 7700K, Ryzen 1700X and WAIT.

I finally decided to go with WAIT. I want to thank you all for the feedback. After reading your posts and going through many benchmarks i decided to stay with my Current i7 4770K.

WHY NOT i7-7700K? A great processor, 4 cores, stable platform, but unfortunately RYZEN made intel to realize it has to bring 6 cores to the mainstream. i7 brings FPS but nothing more. No multi tasking compared to RYZEN and the benefits at 4K is not something to gloat about but with Canonlake coming in less than 7 months (hopefully?) the Jump from Hasswell to Kabylake is not warranted...

WHY NOT RYZEN 1700X? It is not the best choice for gaming yet. Even at 4k there are differences at FPS and yes at 4K even a few frames means business. RYZEN while is a great value and will force companies focus on multi cores it is still not there. Single thread performance and IPC not great against i7 (still). I have some old games which are not optimised and their performance will surely lag, especially at 4k. Memory latency issues still out there.

SO WAIT! Zen 2 if it comes or canon lake. I will check performance gains and I will make my decision then.

Once again thank you all...
 
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7700k no contest.
 

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I saved all all my dollarydoos with the same dilemma, and decided to stay with what i have.

7700k has some advantages on the platform (USB 3.1 mostly, modern M.2 support) and some negatives (f*ck all PCI-E lanes mean M.2 eats PCI-E slots/sata ports)

Ryzen has lower max FPS, often higher minimum (10-15%) but eff all difference if you're GPU bound, and better multithreading - better PCI-E lanes too if you're accesory heavy (2x M.2, lots of SSD's, etc) - but that 4GHz ceiling and limited ram support is a bitch.

I'm voting to wait a gen. I benched my system vs a friends OC'd 7700K, and we had about a 2% difference between us... he couldnt believe it, i think the high speed DDR3 is why my system aged so well.
 
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Ryzen 7. You will game at 4K so the high single thread / clock of the 7700K has no advantage in real life, you will be GPU limited anyway. At the same time you get 8c/16t so you have massive headroom for background tasks while gaming, and the min. fps values are where the real performance win is at for your 4K setup. There are only advantages to going Ryzen @ 4K. If gaming is what you'll do, you can easily last 5+ years on a Ryzen proc.

Also, 7700K won't get better, but Ryzen very well may mature a bit more, also in gaming. In addition, in game engines that can use more than 4 cores, Ryzen will destroy the quad core, and I think it plausible that engines are going to do that more now, the movement has already started a few years ago.

If you prefer high refresh gaming over high IQ, consider the 7700K. But at 4K I doubt that, much better off sticking to 1440p or even 1080p if you want 120+ fps.

About Threadripper, yeah, no. Its a HEDT platform for a reason, it has no value for mainstream which includes gaming. Cannonlake could be an option, but again, what would you really gain here, 300-400 mhz higher boost clock perhaps, which means its a similar story to the 7700K, you get performance you can't really use anyway, and 2c/4t less than a Ryzen out today. Zen 2, again, that's a bet on more performance with very little practical use.
 
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For 4K there is absolutely no reason to go for an 7700K. R7 1700 is a very good choice , you get 2x extra cores and threads that will come in handy in the future.

In my opinion it is never worth waiting for anything unless there is word out there that something amazing will come out. That's not the case now.

Threadripper would serve no purpose in terms of gaming , all Ryzen CPUs basically perform the same in gaming from the 6 core parts and up. Unless you plan to do mad streaming and such I would not bother with it.
 
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cannonlake for sure. you would be sidegrading at best... Unless you stream, 1700 is not going to give you much; a 7700k will be virtually unnoticeable and it is already a pretty old chip.
 
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Since you said "HI I am thinking of getting a new GAMING PC (100% used for gaming and of course media watching)." The choice is clear IMHO, the i7-7700k which excels at both.

But don't just take my advice. I would suggest that you do some research on your own. Read some reviews from as many tech websites that you can when you have it narrowed down to two or three choices. There are just too many fan boys here and they will steer you toward one product not because of what it can do, but because of what brand it is.
 
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Since you said "HI I am thinking of getting a new GAMING PC (100% used for gaming and of course media watching)." The choice is clear IMHO, the i7-7700k which excels at both.

But don't just take my advice. I would suggest that you do some research on your own. Read some reviews from as many tech websites that you can when you have it narrowed down to two or three choices. There are just too many fan boys here and they will steer you toward one product not because of what it can do, but because of what brand it is.

^ this is true, but he already has a 4770K and cannonlake is like 6-8 months away.
 

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For *100%* gaming, forget about Ryzen. Especially if you're going to use a high refresh monitor. Ryzen will limit your fps in most games, compared to an Intel build. Even an older Intel CPU is going to do better than Ryzen in the majority of games.

Coffee Lake soon. 6C/6T and 6C/12T will be out.

Can't wait? Go 7700K. It's the king of gaming CPU's right now.
 
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It looks you already made up your mind, and are now just fishing for answers to confirm your decision.
Doesn’t look like you’re in a hurry anyway, since you’re also considering CL and Z2.
I'll entertain you nonetheless.

In case you want the best performance now, and plan on upgrading in the next 2 years, get the 7700k.
You won’t see much a difference to the 4770k though, if any at all, assuming they are OC-ed equally.
Making the upgrade sort of pointless, since the performance jump is negligible.

While the R7 is more future proof, it doesn’t offer the best gaming experience. You will get lower max FPS, but higher min FPS.
Which honestly, is more important at 4k since you’re not going to be getting crazy high FPS anyway.
On the other hand, you do get 2x the cores and much better multitasking. Which is great, if you also plan on streaming.

A: No. It’s not meant for gaming, and while people will do it anyway, don’t expect any better performance than Ryzen at gaming.
B: Still nothing but rumours. Still months away. All the possible issues a new platform brings.
C: Look at B.

All In all, you’re better off just OC-ing the 4770k to 4.3-4.5GHz, if not already done so.
After that switch out the 1080 for 1080Ti, and that should be enough for a while.
 

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1. Ryzen won't give him higher min fps.

2. 7700K will last more than 2 years.

3. 1080 SLI will deliver great fps at 2160p and 2160p high refresh rate monitors are a thing. Chasing high fps (100+) and Ryzen will limit the fps again. When fps goes up, CPU will be the limiting factor in most engines.

Ryzen is ONLY decent in games, when the games are NOT CPU BOUND.

I would NEVER go Ryzen for a 100% gaming rig. If he did all kind of stuff, encoding, rendering etc. Ryzen might be worth it, but for only gaming, NO WAY.
 
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1. Ryzen won't give him higher min fps.

2. 7700K will last more than 2 years.

3. 1080 SLI will deliver great fps at 2160p and 2160p high refresh rate monitors are a thing. Chasing high fps (100+) and Ryzen will limit the fps again. When fps goes up, CPU will be the limiting factor in most engines.

Ryzen is ONLY decent in games, when the games are NOT CPU BOUND.

I would NEVER go Ryzen for a 100% gaming rig. If he did all kind of stuff, encoding, rendering etc. Ryzen might be worth it, but for only gaming, NO WAY.

My fanboy readings are off the charts. There have been enough sensible recommendations to OP.
 
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http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X/3647vs3915

Option 3: wait for other platforms...
I say "buy when you are ready." There will ALWAYS be something new around the corner. And there are no assurances those new, cutting-edge, nextgen technologies will be stable and trouble free either.
My fanboy readings are off the charts. There have been enough sensible recommendations to OP.
:roll: I always think it ironically funny, and sad, when those expressing a different opinion are accused of being a fanboy. :( It may be hard to believe, but it does work both ways.
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Wait to see what Canyon Lake can produce or go R7. Future-proofing with all those cores of ryzen and at good competitive pricing right now you can spend more on a good set of ddr4
 
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http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X/3647vs3915

I always think it ironically funny, and sad, when those expressing a different opinion are accused of being a fanboy. :( It may be hard to believe, but it does work both ways.

His points were flawed or simply nonsensical , I didn't bother to contradict him since his intentions were clear as daylight to me , maybe to you it seemed like a simple opinion. I simply tried to put down every attempt for this thread to drift into a fanboy showdown as that would be truly sad. You can blame me for it if you want :).

Also , ehm cpu.userbenchmark.com ? Not a good idea to base your purchase from such sources.
 
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covfefe :)
CNL is 10nm AFAIK.

Also we need a new meme, for when you're half asleep & (not) on twitter :laugh:
LOL - i meant to say the whateverlake 6 core somethinrther

I am curious to see if they go with the cache restructuring of skylake X if not the 8700K might be the chip to own (for gaming).
 
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Ryzen 1700 would be my choice
 
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Was going to mention the 7700k but since you're gaming at 4K there's no point in getting IMO, I'd go for Ryzen 7 in a heart beat, 7700k if you're gaming at 1080p with a high refresh monitor.
 
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In all fairness I'm going to side with the suggestion of waiting it out, since you run a Haswell 4770K the real life performance boost is going to be too low to make it worthwhile.

Most of the IPC improvements on Core have been implemented with Haswell, so going newer is ONLY interesting if you can get a significantly higher clock, or a significant boost in cores/threads, and in both instances only when you can actually make use of that (which is only the case @ high refresh >100-120fps).

In addition the 4770k is also a damn good i7 that is generally well binned. This is also worth noting, the 7700K may not even clock that much higher if you lose the lottery.

Oh and another thing. You have 2x 1080 and GPU pricing is off the charts atm. Consider selling one off, you'll probably get the MSRP of a 1080Ti for it in return. Then when prices come down again (which they will eventually) you can buy that 1080ti and sell of the second 1080. Its a pretty sensible move and will remove any SLI woes for a 20% performance loss and a big sum of cash back in your wallet + less heat in the case = better clocks all around and some power bill savings.

Ill be honest even I am considering selling one 1080 at a good price now and buy me a 1080ti in return for perhaps 60-80 eur extra. Deal of the century :D

Just to drive that last one home a bit more, look at this:

https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/744403/msi-geforce-gtx-1080ti-gaming-x.html
versus this
https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/545523/msi-geforce-gtx-1080-gaming-x-8g.html

This morning the 1080 was 720 EUR btw, it toned down a little, but still.
 
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As a budget builder that likes to make use of what i have, i say save that 4770K and go for GPU power.

From 4770 to 7770 you will get maybe 10% improvement for 100% the price (new).
That is not justifiable IMHO.
I would invest in a better case, new better fans, good AIO or Air Cooler and OC the hell out of that 4770K, get maybe 4.5GHZ, raise voltage to 1.25 or 1.3 and be done with it. FREE PERFORMANCE.

Also i see you like 4K.
Sell of those 1080s, get a TITAN XP and call it a day. 4K PC you have that can deliver 60+FPS.
 
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Wait it out. Not many games that will appreciate the 7700k over the 4770k.
Ryzen wont give you more fps either so that's a dead stop for now.

I know the upgrade itch can hurt, but it's best to keep it itching for a while longer.
 
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+1 to @Vayra86 who said sell the 1080's and get a ti
 
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IF u want to do some other stuff in background,Ryzen is the choice,overall
 
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