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Hallo, please verify bellow build. Its for gaming in 1440p (maximum 144Hz).

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3VFQjy

You will be probably surprised by storage configuration, I keep two SSDs because I would like to have separated disk for system and games. One of the shops here has also "action", they give Nvme ADATA XPG GAMMIX S5 SSD 256GB free to ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PLUS, so there is possibility to replace M2 Sata SSD from my config with free Nvme. Would you take this opportunity and take Asus instead? I somehow fell in love with Gigabyte.
Other option would be to forget separated SSds and buy one 1TB, for example Intel 660p but as I mentioned I would like to have system on separated drive.

How about cooling, will Wraith be ok or should I buy better one? Something like Be quiet! PURE ROCK?

Note: PSU is currently probably overkill but there will probably come stronger graphic card later (with some of the next generations)
 
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I would consider a slightly larger SSD as the OS drive, budget permitting, as 250GB means you can't really put more than 200GB on it before performance starts to drop.
Also look see if you can't find an RTX 2080 for closer to the RTX 2070 Super pricing, as here, they're going for the same or even less money.

As far as boards goes, Gigabyte seems to be pushing out more frequent UEFI updates at the moment, so that might be good in the early phases of Ryzen 3000, but otherwise there doesn't seem to be a huge difference between the two boards. The Asus board gets you two extra SATA ports and an extra PCIe x1 slot, the Gigabyte has a front USB 3.1 connector, but Asus has a rear USB-C port.

The "free" Adata SSD is pretty poor as far as NVMe drives goes, in fact, the 4K read performance is most likely no better than the Crucial SATA drive you've picked.

Obviously both are different size than what you're looking at, but still.

You might want to check out the TPU offers for Windows 10, as you'd save a lot of money on getting that, since you're getting an OEM copy either which way.
 
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I would consider a slightly larger SSD as the OS drive, budget permitting, as 250GB means you can't really put more than 200GB on it before performance starts to drop.
Also look see if you can't find an RTX 2080 for closer to the RTX 2070 Super pricing, as here, they're going for the same or even less money.

As far as boards goes, Gigabyte seems to be pushing out more frequent UEFI updates at the moment, so that might be good in the early phases of Ryzen 3000, but otherwise there doesn't seem to be a huge difference between the two boards. The Asus board gets you two extra SATA ports and an extra PCIe x1 slot, the Gigabyte has a front USB 3.1 connector, but Asus has a rear USB-C port.

The "free" Adata SSD is pretty poor as far as NVMe drives goes, in fact, the 4K read performance is most likely no better than the Crucial SATA drive you've picked.

Obviously both are different size than what you're looking at, but still.

You might want to check out the TPU offers for Windows 10, as you'd save a lot of money on getting that, since you're getting an OEM copy either which way.
Tbh 200+ GB is more than enough for a OS drive if nothing else is there.

I have mine on a 120 GB one and with a completely up to date Win 10 pro I still have ~45 GB free space on it and my Documents&Settings folder is fairly big thanks to years worth of game saves and whatnot.

I would also pick up a better cooler than the Wraith Prism,sure it works but even some cheap coolers can outperform it.
 
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Tbh 200+ GB is more than enough for a OS drive if nothing else is there.

I have mine on a 120 GB one and with a completely up to date Win 10 pro I still have ~45 GB free space on it and my Documents&Settings folder is fairly big thanks to years worth of game saves and whatnot.
Sure, IF you don't install anything else on, which I know I don't do for sure. In fact, once you've installed Office and a few other things, you quickly get close to 200GB.
It was more of a matter of future proofing, than saying 250GB isn't enough.
 
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For more than 2 AAA at a time? Nope. If one of them is a MS Xbox port? Definitely not. FH3 takes up something around 70 gigs and I imagine FH4 takes even more than that.
 

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How about that Seagate Barracuda drive guys, please? I have just heard its quite loud?
 
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Just get a 1tb 970 evo plus and be done with it.
 
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How about that Seagate Barracuda drive guys, please? I have just heard its quite loud?
There is almost no point in getting a HDD now. The only ones I would even consider are the Firecuda drives which come with 8GB of SSD. With AMD's Store MI though that would be a waste. If you want good inexpensive storage look at having an NVME Drive as boot (The one you mentioned for free is not good but not bad either) and using the 660P 2TB (it is cheaper than most 2TB non NVME SSDs) as a data drive period. The board you want would run that at full speed regardless of what M2 slot you populate it in.
 

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I have already changed my config little bit to use MX500 1TB (instead 500MB) for games, but I would like to still keep HDD for data
 
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Hallo, please verify bellow build. Its for gaming in 1440p (maximum 144Hz).

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3VFQjy

You will be probably surprised by storage configuration, I keep two SSDs because I would like to have separated disk for system and games. One of the shops here has also "action", they give Nvme ADATA XPG GAMMIX S5 SSD 256GB free to ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PLUS, so there is possibility to replace M2 Sata SSD from my config with free Nvme. Would you take this opportunity and take Asus instead? I somehow fell in love with Gigabyte.
Other option would be to forget separated SSds and buy one 1TB, for example Intel 660p but as I mentioned I would like to have system on separated drive.

How about cooling, will Wraith be ok or should I buy better one? Something like Be quiet! PURE ROCK?

Note: PSU is currently probably overkill but there will probably come stronger graphic card later (with some of the next generations)
- Hardware split between OS disk and 'data' disk is very useful, I'd hold on to that. Even with SSDs.
- You can run your OS on a 120GB SSD, and size up the other one to 1TB. I can tell you right now, you will use it and price/gb is favorable on higher capacities these days. But, 256GB is a decent size too; still, budget wise, if you can make that switch, the end result is more space and having it separated better the way you want it: OS separate from everything else. With 750GB total space in the system, you won't be installing many games simultaneously, that's for sure and you will end up having to squeeze more stuff onto your OS disk too. Data accumulates FAST.
- NVME or M2... irrelevant for home use or gaming. Get the lowest price/gb and look for quality in endurance instead. Speed difference is not noticeable versus regular SATA SSD.
- Mechanical HDD. Something to think about. I will say one thing about it: think about that low hum / resonating noise in the case. With all SSD, what you've got is a 100% silent box in idle and even during non-gaming operations. Add one HDD and you lose that. It will be spinning up and will be humming and you will hear it... An external HDD for your mass storage might be interesting too, that wa you can hook it up only when needed.

- Avoid Gigabyte Gaming OC GPU models. Meh build quality, and Gigabyte is notorious lately for crappy RMA (not an isolated case...)

- If you're looking for money to complete this within budget, cut off the Windows 10 license for 100 bucks and get one at 4-10 bucks instead. TPU has the occasional offer but its widely available, for example @ www.allkeyshop.com. This is grey area but I have yet to hear of problems, I use a cheap license too and its doing just fine.

- Ryzen 3700X. There is also some budget space here, you can knock this down a bit and still have stellar CPU performance. Any particular reason for 8c/16t? If not, go 6c/12t instead.
 
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CPU is your choice. So no comment there.

Gigabyte is also fine. But ASUS is also good value. And unlike previous time both ASUS and Gigabyte didn't skimp on VRM. Use this table to quickly compare features. But as Lost Swede said, Gigabyte is currently fastest (and most communicative in their forums) about AMD bios updates.

RAM is also fine. Just check the parts number to have AES at the end. Currently those RAM are very good overclockers.

I'll generally shy away from hard disks now but if you want them still I'd say avoid Seagate. Their failure rate precedes them.

Iirc the M.2 MX500 is SATA so the NVMe "free" SSD might be faster.

See if you can find RTX 2080 priced close to 2070 Super. Aside from the fact that it's faster, who knows if you ever need RMA they might just send you 2080 Super since base 2080 won't be available *wink *wink

Case is personal choice so no comment.

I think 650w should be enough. And even if you upgrade to a powerful card in the future, they're gonna be less power hungry than today. Ofc it's not also bad to be inside power supply's efficient range. Correct me if I'm wrong but 50% load is most efficient for most power supplies. So if a system consumes 375w, with a 750w unit it would be most efficient it can supply current.
IDK why you chose a DVD writer in this day and age but won't comment on it.

The monitor is excellent. Good choice.

I think you can save some money by buying third party like others have said. But I don't think it's going to Microsoft so don't condone it. That $100 WILL go to MS don't worry about it. But I myself am a poor salt farmer I just download a ISO from Microsoft and don't activate Windows. The only thing I'm losing of value (to me) is system-wide dark theme, now even in My Computer/This PC/Library/whatever it's called. No discrimination in Windows updates if you fear that.
 

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- Hardware split between OS disk and 'data' disk is very useful, I'd hold on to that. Even with SSDs.
Why though? I can't think of a good reason. Unless you already have a smaller ssd or can get it for free in a promo like OP can - then sure, OS drive is a good use for it.
 
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Why though? I can't think of a good reason. Unless you already have a smaller ssd or can get it for free in a promo like OP can - then sure, OS drive is a good use for it.
Because you never know what can happen with a Windows PC. Especially in the age of 25 to 90 GB downloads for games, having a data drive for games, videos, pictures makes perfect sense when you want to reset or reinstall Windows.
 

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Because you never know what can happen with a Windows PC. Especially in the age of 25 to 90 GB downloads for games, having a data drive for games, videos, pictures makes perfect sense when you want to reset or reinstall Windows.
That's what partitions are for.

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If you don't have a specific reason for buying 3700X (like streaming or rpcs3), 3600 is a much better value for games, and if you put that $130 price difference into a better GPU you will get better gaming performance. If 3700X was a future proofing choice, it's not worth it.
If you have much data other than games that you want to hoard, I'd recommend an external usb 3 hdd instead of internal one. They cost about the same, have pretty good speed, they're quiet and portable.
Get a good cooler, for Ryzen cpus better temperatures mean better clocks.
I was also going to make suggestions regarding the case, but then noticed you intend to put an optical drive in there, that's quite the limiting factor.
 
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That's what partitions are for.

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If you don't have a specific reason for buying 3700X (like streaming or rpcs3), 3600 is a much better value for games, and if you put that $130 price difference into a better GPU you will get better gaming performance. If 3700X was a future proofing choice, it's not worth it.
If you have much data other than games that you want to hoard, I'd recommend an external usb 3 hdd instead of internal one. They cost about the same, have pretty good speed, they're quiet and portable.
Get a good cooler, for Ryzen cpus better temperatures mean better clocks.
I was also going to make suggestions regarding the case, but then noticed you intend to put an optical drive in there, that's quite the limiting factor.
Partitions on a boot drive? Why do motherboards come with more than 1 SATA port? Why do modern MBs have more than one M2 slot? Why can you put expansion cards on free PCI_E slots form 1 to 16? To mitigate against the danger of the 1 drive you have failing or developing errors. Ever since I built my first PC I have always used a boot and data drive. It's not like drives are expensive compared to the other components in your build. I guess you have never had to reinstall Windows. I also am going to assume you don't have a very large game library. I did see however that you recommended external storage over an internal. To me there is no benefit other than portability of using external especially HDDs like the Seagate Expansion series (everyone USB port on the 5 that I have owned has died but the drive was still good and became an internal). There is also the fact that you would be limited to USB speeds on a SATA drive. USB 3 C is just catching up to Esata in terms of real world performance and I don't know of any inexpensive USB C drives.
 
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Why though? I can't think of a good reason. Unless you already have a smaller ssd or can get it for free in a promo like OP can - then sure, OS drive is a good use for it.
- You tend to swap drives as you run out of space. You can prevent reinstalls by separating the OS from your 'bulk' storage. And vice versa, your OS install or reinstall won't mess up your file systems on other drives. Was of great benefit when upgrading from Windows 7 to 10, for example. You just never have to worry Windows business wiill tear apart some of your files.
- You can move your data drives to any other system without making your main rig unusable.
- Drives go bad, having an OS drive where you're not constantly writing large amounts of data will prolong its life; and with that, its unlikely your OS drive will ever go bad in the life of the machine. Its also easier to eliminate that drive as a cause for problems.

Yes, partitions, but its not the same thing really; but holds some of the same advantages. Think of it as a form of redundancy.

Then there is the 'why not' argument; the price difference is negligible, but it does offer advantages. And I have yet to meet a consumer PC that is struggling for spare SATA or M2 slots.
 
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I also used to have Partitioned OS but since the age of 'cheap' 120-250 GB SSDs I made it a separate drive completely.
I had scenarios in the past when a drive died on me or I was forced to format my main drive with the OS+everything on it,wasn't funny to say the least so its better to separate that stuff imo.

Getting rid of HDDs completely would be nice yes but if someone is a 'Data' hoarder like me its not really an option yet,unless someone is rich like that.
I have a 3+1 TB HDD in my PC and I barely have 1+ TB free space currently,keeping all that on SSDs would be quite expensive.
 

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Partitions on a boot drive? Why do motherboards come with more than 1 SATA port? Why do modern MBs have more than one M2 slot? Why can you put expansion cards on free PCI_E slots form 1 to 16? To mitigate against the danger of the 1 drive you have failing or developing errors. Ever since I built my first PC I have always used a boot and data drive. It's not like drives are expensive compared to the other components in your build. I guess you have never had to reinstall Windows. I also am going to assume you don't have a very large game library. I did see however that you recommended external storage over an internal. To me there is no benefit other than portability of using external especially HDDs like the Seagate Expansion series (everyone USB port on the 5 that I have owned has died but the drive was still good and became an internal). There is also the fact that you would be limited to USB speeds on a SATA drive. USB 3 C is just catching up to Esata in terms of real world performance and I don't know of any inexpensive USB C drives.
You make it sound like an outlandish idea, but back in the day, before ssds and big, cheap hdds, when most regular home PCs had only one hdd, that used to be a common way of doing it. Reinstalling OS, making dual or multiple booting on one hdd - none of that was a problem, excluding human error. Of course, nowadays ssds price/capacity ratio scales very well and you can get very cheap drives with enough space for the OS, but it wasn't always this way. With hdds, even smallest available capacities used to still cost quite a bit, it wasn't really worth it.
M.2 slots can actually be a decent reason for picking larger ssds, at least if you want benefits of nvme. You can have at most two of them, and on many cheaper boards there's only one slot. What do you do when you want to upgrade? If you replace your small OS drive with a big one, you're still left with partitioning (or putting everything together which is obviously unadvisable). Replace your big ssd with an even bigger one? Have to figure out what to do with the old one or it's quite a waste. Or you just end up with good old sata drives which, for ssds, are on the way out it feels.
As for external USB drives, I should clarify that I meant 2.5'' drives. Even though they don't reach speeds over 100MB, they are not slow at all. You don't really need great transfer speed for storage. Meanwhile, they are not only portable, but also virtually noiseless. It depends on your priorities, I'm not trying to present it as a clearly better option. Personally, I don't want mechanical hdds in any of my rigs from this point on and it's already a fairly common sentiment.

When you have multiple drives, you can still run your pc when one of them goes bad - that's a good reason.
 

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Have to think about that HDD. In my current set up I have HDD Samsung SpinPoint F3 and I dont hear it all (PC is under table and not directly beside my legs, its little bit on the left, case Fractal design define R3).

FOr the 3700X Iam aware currently same performance (in games) as 3600X but there are rumors Next Gen consoles will use 8 core CPU so the games will benefit from it also. Of course nobody knows but I dont want to regret next year or so. I would like to keep PC for a longer time and just change graphic card.

I also hear from others that its not good to go with X570 MLB that its not worth the money. Whats your opinion on it, please? I picked X570 because I heard (from Tech deals) "If you build a new rig go with X570"..that others may not support 3700X so good. also there is possibility some (close) next gen graphic card will benefit from PCIe 4.0.
Lastly considering I will get free 250GB Nvme the price of Asus TUF not so bad.

Gigabyte GBU not good enough? What would you please suggest?
 
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Benefit from pcie 4.0 for GPU is not likely. Similarly, benefit from 8c/16t for gaming Im also not seeing anytime soon. (3-4 years from now the same CPUs will do similar things). Consoles dont need that perf so if they get 8 core Zen it will be older or lower clocked, or some variation of Ryzen G series.

Dont buy into things that might happen. Instead save the cash and upgrade a bit earlier with it.
 
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