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Looking for some recommendations on a TV purely for PC gaming. It should be 36-40 inches, although a bit larger is ok too (that's what she said lol). I currently game on a 4K monitor but my eye just ain't what they used to be. The 28" screen just causes me too much eye strain at that resolution.
 
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How far from the TV are you gaming at?
 
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I can put it pretty much anywhere I need. It'll be where it's comfortable for me to see the entire screen without issue.
 
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Looking for some recommendations on a TV purely for PC gaming.
If to be used "purely for PC gaming", why waste money for a TV? TVs include tuners and other expensive features that do nothing for PC gaming, except add to the cost.

You should get a monitor.
 

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If to be used "purely for PC gaming", why waste money for a TV? TVs include tuners and other expensive features that do nothing for PC gaming, except add to the cost.

You should get a monitor.
Looking at Newegg, beyond 28" and possibly 4K being requirements, I see pricing is on par with TVs in some cases, and way more in others for a monitor.
For instance, I see only a handful of 30-32" 4K monitors that come close to what I paid for a 43" 4K TV ;)
 
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I recently purchased an LG 43UJ630V. 4k ultra HDR, HDMI deepcolour, decent speakers, and an impressive array of smart services. Would recommend.
 
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I see pricing is on par with TVs in some cases
Well sure. If money is the driving factor. But TVs typically don't have the response times, refresh rates or other factors that gamers seek.

I don't want to get into a debate over which is better. It is just too subjective. What is better for one may not be for another. I just "personally" see no reason to get a TV if this will be "purely for PC gaming".
 

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if you got the money the lg wallpaper tv is probably bar none the best experience on the market
 
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If to be used "purely for PC gaming", why waste money for a TV? TVs include tuners and other expensive features that do nothing for PC gaming, except add to the cost.

You should get a monitor.
Because of the screen size.
 
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I recently bought a 49" X900E Sony and had to return it based on 1080/720 broadcasts looking too grainy and the display just being too bright for it's VA panel to not look washed out in a lot of bright scenes. Once you tune it so the bright scenes are more manageable, then the dark scenes have too much black crush. I mean even more black crush than my ISP panel TV does.

The 1080/720 broadcasts looking grainy on 4K TVs is a problem with virtually every 4K TV I've seen. Even the ones with good scalers and upconversion like Sony seem to only scale the content object based vs full screen. For instance in a football game close up shots of players will look pristine and clear, but the turf and background looks noticeably pixelated. Sky cam shots are the worst, players, turf, and stands all look pixelated. And it's problematic even in a lot of studio filmed TV shows where there's no fast motion. It's common that even Sony 4K TVs, with their always touting great skin tones, have problems with a lot of Caucasian faces looking pixelated on 4K sets with 1080/720 broadcasts.

On brightness, the X900E measures in the 500 to 550 range, but I find that is too much for an LED lit VA panel. It's contrast is in the 5500 to 6500 range. The X800E's brightness is in the 350-400 range, and it's also IPS with no local dimming. It's contrast is around 1000. I didn't find local dimming on the X900E to be worth using really. IMO the X800E 43" is the best gaming TV in the size you're looking for, but it will still have a problem displaying 1080/720 broadcasts as awell as a 1080p native res TV. If you ant to try it though, I recommend buying from Crutchfield, whom have a for any reason return period extended to Jan 25th on the holidays. The 43" model will also likely be priced much better than the current $650 a couple weeks before the Superbowl, which is by far the best time to buy a TV without risking it going out of stock.

I came away realizing there currently is no 4K TV that displays 1080/720 broadcasts acceptably, and I even feel the motion handling on sets that people claim is good, is really mediocre. The X900E gamed fine, but as an overall use TV, I can't recommend it. It's really touted mostly for HDR movies and gaming, because that's where it's high brightness and contrast make fuller use of HDR's extended color gamut. The tradeoffs are unacceptable though IMO. The 43" X800E would likely be much more acceptable overall due to it's smaller screen size and brightness and contrast that are more suited to overall use, vs just HDR.

I have decided to keep my 32" Panasonic IPS TV, to wait for ATSC 3.0 TVs, which should start hitting the US market early 2019. These current 4K TVs sorely need UHD content though, and ATSC 3.0 broadcasts will have that both over the air and via the net. It will be a hybrid broadcast system designed for everything from multi language options, to enhanced emergency broadcasts (can wake up a receiver in sleep mode), to UHD video with Dolby AC-4 audio, and far better reception with simultaneous multi device capability. ATSC 3.0 uses far less bandwidth than ATSC 1.0, can provide crystal clear reception even to fast moving cars in tunnels, and it's required equipment for broadcast stations is cheaper than what is being used for ATSC 1.0

ATSC 3.0 will not be a forced mandate by the government like ATSC 3.0. It will be totally voluntary and during the transition period there will be both ATSC 1.0 and ATSC 3.0 broadcasts, with many options for early adopters of ATSC 3.0 from sets that have the new tuners, to addon ATSC 3.0 tuner boxes, and even small USB type tuners. This is not a conversion scenario like it was with analog to digital though. Both ATSC 1.0 and 3.0 are digital and can be transmitted through existing RF towers (with slight modifications).

Sorry for the long winded diversion to TV broadcasts, but I really feel too many people buying 4K TVs are unaware of ATSC 3.0, and can benefit from learning more about it. Here's a great interview conducted by one of the AVS forum staff with Richard Chernock, whom is on the panel of design engineers for ATSC 3.0. ATSC 3.0's design should be finalized by early next year. The only part of it I strongly disagree with is when Chernock implies current TV scalers, being a lot better now, are good enough to scale HD to UHD. IMO that is far from the truth, they've gotten better, yes, but not THAT good. Maybe it's an agreement industry wide to just blatantly imply that so people will be more inclined to early adopt 4K to pave the way for UHD broadcasts. If you recall the main criteria for making HD broadcasts happen was the number of homes having HD capable TVs.

 
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If to be used "purely for PC gaming", why waste money for a TV? TVs include tuners and other expensive features that do nothing for PC gaming, except add to the cost.

You should get a monitor.
Not at all my aging Toshiba as been awesome for gaming and viewing angles are excellent to boot. I got sick of Computer screens a long time ago and eye strain is a thing of the passed ever since.
 
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That's one of the biggest things to consider if you are going a TV rather than a dedicated monitor. Also, go for 120Hz frequency and fastest refresh you can find... though most makers will stretch those numbers like they always have.
 
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That's one of the biggest things to consider if you are going a TV rather than a dedicated monitor. Also, go for 120Hz frequency and fastest refresh you can find... though most makers will stretch those numbers like they always have.
Actually the 120Hz bit is quite misleading as well. For instance that 49" X900E I spoke of has a native 120Hz panel, but for gaming it will only run at 120Hz if you drop the res way down to 1080p, and trust me, it does not look too good at 1080p.

I was also quite surprised that for regular TV broadcasts the 120Hz didn't really make it play any smoother than my cheap $330 6 yr old Panasonic TV. More often in fact it looked less smooth, and my Panny has no motion filters at all. My Panny is also 7 frames lower in input lag.

I have to wonder if TVs are really just getting more expensive, than getting better. I guess we'll know more when ATSC 3.0 comes out, but that's a ways off. For now I feel the best way to sample something in between 1080p and 4K is to either get a 1440p monitor, or set your games on a 1080p TV to 150% DSR or VSR. The latter is what I'll be doing the next few years, after snatching probably a 1070 Ti once the 8700k (and hopefully DDR4) gets to a reasonable price.
 
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Actually the 120Hz bit is quite misleading as well. For instance that 49" X900E I spoke of has a native 120Hz panel, but for gaming it will only run at 120Hz if you drop the res way down to 1080p
Wow, why does that not surprise me? What was the Hz at 4K?

Part of the input lag is from all the video processing done in the set and I'm sure that is pretty hefty at 4k...
 
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Actually the 120Hz bit is quite misleading as well. For instance that 49" X900E I spoke of has a native 120Hz panel, but for gaming it will only run at 120Hz if you drop the res way down to 1080p, and trust me, it does not look too good at 1080p.

I was also quite surprised that for regular TV broadcasts the 120Hz didn't really make it play any smoother than my cheap $330 6 yr old Panasonic TV. More often in fact it looked less smooth, and my Panny has no motion filters at all. My Panny is also 7 frames lower in input lag.

I have to wonder if TVs are really just getting more expensive, than getting better. I guess we'll know more when ATSC 3.0 comes out, but that's a ways off.
Yeah for sure.
Best that can be had is 60 hz at 4k, 120 interlaced. But at least the low lag makes up for the lack of current power restraints. Kind of....
 
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But at least the low lag makes up for the lack of current power restraints. Kind of....
Hard to call 35ms low input lag when I'm used to more like 28ms. Granted it is pretty low with HDR enabled compared to many, but it seems to me they just say that to get you used to more features that add more processing and lag.
 
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Hard to call 35ms low input lag when I'm used to more like 28ms. Granted it is pretty low with HDR enabled compared to many, but it seems to me they just say that to get you used to more features that add more processing and lag.
Skip to 6 mins. Or to sum up. In game mode with hdr input lag is 15 ms. That's impressive for a t.v. Overall it makes this unit a contender for the op altho maybe a tad large.
 
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I game on 40" @9 feet. I suggest to go higher (50).
 
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Skip to 6 mins. Or to sum up. In game mode with hdr input lag is 15 ms. That's impressive for a t.v. Overall it makes this unit a contender for the op altho maybe a tad large.
I was referring to the Sony X900E I tried that I mentioned earlier. I considered LG too, but the 49" I tried was too big, let alone 55". I'm not a couch and pad gamer. I put my display on a small table in the corner with a desk in front of it. I sit at max 7' away while gaming, and 55" is too big for that and wouldn't even fit in the corner space I have anyway.

I'm now leaning more toward 43", and it's common to see the IPS panels I prefer in that size. Sony's X800E is the best in that size IMO, but I'm holding out for ATSC 3.0, because no 4K set I've seen can display 1080/720 broadcasts worth a damn. None of them upscale the whole picture. There's always something in it that looks blurry, and sometimes the whole screen does, like with sky cam shots in football games.

I'm hoping by the time ATSC 3.0 comes out Sony will have reduced input lag further and offers matte screens like my Panny has. The reflections off glossy screens get ridiculous. No matter if you have your lighting arranged pretty well, even light spilling on white walls in the background can cause nasty reflections in dark scenes.

The only lighting that works worth a damn for glossy screens is bias lighting (light strips or lamp behind the TV). Too bad Panasonic doesn't make their own screens anymore.
 
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Video Card(s) Sapphire RX Vega 64 Limited Edition
Storage Seagatr Barracuda 2TB x4
Display(s) LG 29UM68-P 29" UltraWide w/FreeSync
Case Fractal Arc Midi R2
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Antec Quattro 850W
Software Windows 10 EDU x64
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I love the TV I have which is a LG 6300. Goes from 43” upto 65”.

Supports 4K, 10Bit, HDR, and has a IPS panel

Never had an issue gaming on it and it’s very affordable