This isn't me having a go at either of you but it's tantamount to douchebaggery to state things from what may well be seen as an insider viewpoint without proof. 20mm, you've said you have retail sources about the 680, so prove it in a very discrete way that will validate what you say without bringing your source into the picture. Irrespective of ANYBODY's insider knowledge, stating it on a thread full of supposition and guesswork is meaningless. Even if the knowledge is truth, it's pointless without some back up. Like I say - not having a go but you can appreciate that your consistent claims of 10% either way would be better served to the TPU crowd with a morsel of evidence (be it a pic of a part of a retail card or anything). Throw us a frickin bone dude!!