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Is this true what this person is saying? Personally i do not think so and just another Steam PC expert.
System Name | My first new build |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 3600 |
Motherboard | MSI B450M mortar max |
Cooling | Vetroo V5 Arctic MX4 |
Memory | 32gb Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200@3800mhz |
Video Card(s) | MSI GTX 1660 Super OC Ventus |
Storage | Samsung 870 QVO 1tb x 2, Lexar 256 GB, Western Digital 500 GB nvme |
Display(s) | 22'' Some p tv |
Case | Aerocool Eclipse |
Audio Device(s) | Razer Kraken 2019 Edifier M201BT |
Power Supply | MSI MPG AGF 850 watt gold |
Mouse | Logitech M510 |
Keyboard | Dell KB212-B |
Software | Windows 10 pro |
Benchmark Scores | Cinebench R23 multicore 9995 single 1274 7.84 3d mark : Timespy 6180 |
System Name | EA-ZEN |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D with -50mW UV |
Motherboard | Asus X570 |
Cooling | Big Air |
Memory | 2x16 GB DDR4 3600 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Asus RTX 2080 Ti Strix highly OC’ed |
Storage | 1 TB NVME, 500 GB SSD etc |
Display(s) | 2x 27”, main: curved 144Hz SVA with BLS and HDR |
Case | Full Tower |
Audio Device(s) | Z906 5.1 and Audeze Headphones, Shure SM7B mic |
Power Supply | Enough |
Mouse | Old but gold |
Keyboard | Mechanical Cherry Brown |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | A lot |
System Name | Unova |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor (B0) |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG STRIX B550-E |
Cooling | id-cooling Frostflow X 360 + Gelid GC-Extreme |
Memory | 64 GB (4x 16) Dominator Platinum B-die @ DDR4-3600 16-17-16-34-1 1.375V |
Video Card(s) | ASUS TUF Gaming OC GeForce RTX 3090 24 GB |
Storage | WD Green SN350 480 GB (x 2), Samsung 840 Pro 128 GB, Intel SSD 320 160 GB, Lexar NS100 256 GB |
Display(s) | Sony XBR-55X905F |
Case | Lian Li PC-O11 Air |
Audio Device(s) | EVGA Nu Audio (classic) |
Power Supply | EVGA SuperNOVA 1300 G2 1300W 80+ Gold |
Mouse | HyperX Pulsefire Haste |
Keyboard | Logitech G213 Prodigy |
Software | Windows 11 Pro for Workstations 22H2 |
System Name | loon v4.0 |
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Processor | i7-11700K |
Motherboard | asus Z590TUF+wifi |
Cooling | Custom Loop |
Memory | ballistix 3600 cl16 |
Video Card(s) | eVga 3060 xc |
Storage | WD sn570 1tb(nvme) SanDisk ultra 2tb(sata) |
Display(s) | cheap 1080&4K 60hz |
Case | Roswell Stryker |
Power Supply | eVGA supernova 750 G6 |
Mouse | eats cheese |
Keyboard | warrior! |
Benchmark Scores | https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21765182 https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1114767 |
that feeling contagious!I have a feeling that person is thinking that everything in the computer drops to the lowest value and isn't independent of each-other.
maybe a question will answer that; would you go to steam for DIY builder's advice?Is this true what this person is saying? Personally i do not think so and just another Steam PC expert.
System Name | Ghetto Rigs x299 & z490 & x99 |
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Processor | 9940x w/Optimus SigV2 & 10900k w/Optimus Foundation & 5930k w/Noctua D15 |
Motherboard | X299 Rampage VI Apex & z490 Maximus XII Apex & x99 Sabertooth |
Cooling | D5 combo/280 GTX/ VRM water block copper/280 GTX/ D5 Top/Optimus sigV2/TitanXp/Mora 360x2 |
Memory | Trident-Z 3600C16 4x8gb & Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb & Trident-Z 3200c14 4x8gb |
Video Card(s) | 1080ti FTW3 & Titan Xp & evga 980ti gaming |
Storage | 970 evo plus 500gb & 970 evo 500gb many sammy 2.5" ssd's and WD BLK hdd's |
Display(s) | 1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series |
Case | D450 second floor for 2nd rad x2/ Cherry Entertainment center on Test bench |
Audio Device(s) | Built in Realtek x2 with 2-Insignia 2.0 sound bars & 1-LG sound bar |
Power Supply | EVGA 1200P2 & 1000P2 with APC AX1500 & 850P2 with CyberPower-GX1325U & 750P2 |
Mouse | Redragon Perdition x3 |
Keyboard | G710+x3 |
Software | Win-7 pro x3 and Linux Cinnamon 20.2x2 & win-10 & 11pro x3 |
Benchmark Scores | Are in the benchmark section |
System Name | EA-ZEN |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D with -50mW UV |
Motherboard | Asus X570 |
Cooling | Big Air |
Memory | 2x16 GB DDR4 3600 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Asus RTX 2080 Ti Strix highly OC’ed |
Storage | 1 TB NVME, 500 GB SSD etc |
Display(s) | 2x 27”, main: curved 144Hz SVA with BLS and HDR |
Case | Full Tower |
Audio Device(s) | Z906 5.1 and Audeze Headphones, Shure SM7B mic |
Power Supply | Enough |
Mouse | Old but gold |
Keyboard | Mechanical Cherry Brown |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | A lot |
That’s not how it works. The game is loaded from the game drive not through the OS drive and the game drive. And DirectStorage has nothing to do with this, DS is a replacement so the GPU can directly load from NVME instead of going through the system with the CPU calculating it before hand. It means, levels can be bigger because of no additional loading times.Hi,
Seems the os disk has an awful lot installed on it driver wise to just say the only drive that matters is the game drives speed
nv driver/....
Think you have to refer to why ms is going towards direct storage.
System Name | Glasshouse |
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Processor | Ryzen 9 5900X (manual PBO) |
Motherboard | MSI x570 Tomahawk wifi |
Cooling | Noctua NH D15 Chromax Black/ Noctua 140mm fans x2 (top)/ Corsair 120mm fans x4/ Arctic P12 exhaust |
Memory | G Skill Neo 16GBx4 (3600MHz 16/16/16/36) |
Video Card(s) | XFX 6900XT Merc Black |
Storage | Corsair Force MP600 (1TB) & Sabrent Rocket 4 (2TB) & 2TB Crucial Sata & OneTouch Portable HDD (4TB) |
Display(s) | LG CX 48 inch 10bit 4K@120Hz and Samsung U28E590 10bit 4K@60Hz |
Case | Corsair Crystal 570X White |
Audio Device(s) | Built in LG monitor speakers |
Power Supply | Corsair RM850x |
Mouse | Microsoft IntelliMouse Pro |
Keyboard | Leopold High End Mechanical |
Software | Windows 11 |
System Name | EA-ZEN |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D with -50mW UV |
Motherboard | Asus X570 |
Cooling | Big Air |
Memory | 2x16 GB DDR4 3600 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Asus RTX 2080 Ti Strix highly OC’ed |
Storage | 1 TB NVME, 500 GB SSD etc |
Display(s) | 2x 27”, main: curved 144Hz SVA with BLS and HDR |
Case | Full Tower |
Audio Device(s) | Z906 5.1 and Audeze Headphones, Shure SM7B mic |
Power Supply | Enough |
Mouse | Old but gold |
Keyboard | Mechanical Cherry Brown |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | A lot |
Not if you know how a file system works, this is basic knowledge. “Empirical evidence” okayThere seem to be a lot of opinions and 'educated assumptions' - no empirical evidence so far.
System Name | Glasshouse |
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Processor | Ryzen 9 5900X (manual PBO) |
Motherboard | MSI x570 Tomahawk wifi |
Cooling | Noctua NH D15 Chromax Black/ Noctua 140mm fans x2 (top)/ Corsair 120mm fans x4/ Arctic P12 exhaust |
Memory | G Skill Neo 16GBx4 (3600MHz 16/16/16/36) |
Video Card(s) | XFX 6900XT Merc Black |
Storage | Corsair Force MP600 (1TB) & Sabrent Rocket 4 (2TB) & 2TB Crucial Sata & OneTouch Portable HDD (4TB) |
Display(s) | LG CX 48 inch 10bit 4K@120Hz and Samsung U28E590 10bit 4K@60Hz |
Case | Corsair Crystal 570X White |
Audio Device(s) | Built in LG monitor speakers |
Power Supply | Corsair RM850x |
Mouse | Microsoft IntelliMouse Pro |
Keyboard | Leopold High End Mechanical |
Software | Windows 11 |
'educated assumption' it is then...Not if you know how a file system works, this is basic knowledge. “Empirical evidence” okaythis topic isn’t exactly deep.
System Name | EA-ZEN |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D with -50mW UV |
Motherboard | Asus X570 |
Cooling | Big Air |
Memory | 2x16 GB DDR4 3600 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Asus RTX 2080 Ti Strix highly OC’ed |
Storage | 1 TB NVME, 500 GB SSD etc |
Display(s) | 2x 27”, main: curved 144Hz SVA with BLS and HDR |
Case | Full Tower |
Audio Device(s) | Z906 5.1 and Audeze Headphones, Shure SM7B mic |
Power Supply | Enough |
Mouse | Old but gold |
Keyboard | Mechanical Cherry Brown |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | A lot |
It’s a educated fact. And if I need to prove this in a tech forum this size, there’s honestly no point to this forum anymore.'educated assumption' it is then...
System Name | Stardust |
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Processor | I9 12900 |
Motherboard | NUC12EDBi9 |
Cooling | Proprietary |
Memory | 64GB Mushkin Redline DDR4 3200mhz |
Video Card(s) | Nvidia Titan RTX |
Storage | 1x 250GB 960 EVO | 1x 500gb Intel 720p | 1x 8TB Corsair MP400 |
Display(s) | 3x Gigabyte M28U (4k IPS) |
Case | Little bitty itty NUC 12 Extreme case |
Audio Device(s) | Schiit Hel 2 on ATH-R70x's |
Power Supply | FSP 650w |
Mouse | Roccat Kone AIMO (White) |
Keyboard | Ducky One 3 Pure White |
VR HMD | HTC VIVE |
Software | Windows 11 x64 Pro |
System Name | Glasshouse |
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Processor | Ryzen 9 5900X (manual PBO) |
Motherboard | MSI x570 Tomahawk wifi |
Cooling | Noctua NH D15 Chromax Black/ Noctua 140mm fans x2 (top)/ Corsair 120mm fans x4/ Arctic P12 exhaust |
Memory | G Skill Neo 16GBx4 (3600MHz 16/16/16/36) |
Video Card(s) | XFX 6900XT Merc Black |
Storage | Corsair Force MP600 (1TB) & Sabrent Rocket 4 (2TB) & 2TB Crucial Sata & OneTouch Portable HDD (4TB) |
Display(s) | LG CX 48 inch 10bit 4K@120Hz and Samsung U28E590 10bit 4K@60Hz |
Case | Corsair Crystal 570X White |
Audio Device(s) | Built in LG monitor speakers |
Power Supply | Corsair RM850x |
Mouse | Microsoft IntelliMouse Pro |
Keyboard | Leopold High End Mechanical |
Software | Windows 11 |
System Name | EA-ZEN |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D with -50mW UV |
Motherboard | Asus X570 |
Cooling | Big Air |
Memory | 2x16 GB DDR4 3600 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Asus RTX 2080 Ti Strix highly OC’ed |
Storage | 1 TB NVME, 500 GB SSD etc |
Display(s) | 2x 27”, main: curved 144Hz SVA with BLS and HDR |
Case | Full Tower |
Audio Device(s) | Z906 5.1 and Audeze Headphones, Shure SM7B mic |
Power Supply | Enough |
Mouse | Old but gold |
Keyboard | Mechanical Cherry Brown |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | A lot |
It's not possible. The game is loaded from the game drive and has nothing to do with the OS drive, both are in use, however the OS drive does not impact or slow down the other drive. If you want to say otherwise, you can prove it to me, not the other way around. I have already told you how to test it, this is the most basic stuff.The question was whether having a gen 3 OS drive with a gen 4 games drive slows down the system (which I take to mean lower fps and/or load times). Now I don't profess to know. However, my rudimentary understanding says it is possible. Despite what some are saying, the OS drive is operating when a game is played even if it is background functions. My main point is testing can reveal this (one way or the other).
System Name | Glasshouse |
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Processor | Ryzen 9 5900X (manual PBO) |
Motherboard | MSI x570 Tomahawk wifi |
Cooling | Noctua NH D15 Chromax Black/ Noctua 140mm fans x2 (top)/ Corsair 120mm fans x4/ Arctic P12 exhaust |
Memory | G Skill Neo 16GBx4 (3600MHz 16/16/16/36) |
Video Card(s) | XFX 6900XT Merc Black |
Storage | Corsair Force MP600 (1TB) & Sabrent Rocket 4 (2TB) & 2TB Crucial Sata & OneTouch Portable HDD (4TB) |
Display(s) | LG CX 48 inch 10bit 4K@120Hz and Samsung U28E590 10bit 4K@60Hz |
Case | Corsair Crystal 570X White |
Audio Device(s) | Built in LG monitor speakers |
Power Supply | Corsair RM850x |
Mouse | Microsoft IntelliMouse Pro |
Keyboard | Leopold High End Mechanical |
Software | Windows 11 |
You need to take a chill pill. Having said that, I don't agree that "this is the most basic stuff".It's not possible. The game is loaded from the game drive and has nothing to do with the OS drive, both are in use, however the OS drive does not impact or slow down the other drive. If you want to say otherwise, you can prove it to me, not the other way around. I have already told you how to test it, this is the most basic stuff.
System Name | Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load) |
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Processor | Ryzen R7 5800X (PBO tweaked, 4.4-5.05GHz) |
Motherboard | Asus x570 Gaming-F |
Cooling | Alphacool Apex UV - EK Quantum Velocity AM4 + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate |
Memory | 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3800 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V, SoC 1.15V Hynix MJR) |
Video Card(s) | Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to either 1500Mhz 0.737v | 1700Mhz 0.75v | 1900Mhz 0.9v |
Storage | 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + WD AN1500 1TB + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2 |
Display(s) | Kogan 32" 4K 72Hz + Gigabyte G32QC (1440p 165Hz) + Phillips 328m6fjrmb (1440p 144Hz) |
Case | Fractal Design R6 |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic |
Power Supply | Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY) |
Mouse | Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL |
Keyboard | Razer Huntsman TE (custom white and steel keycaps) |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift S |
Software | Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) |
Benchmark Scores | I don't quite know how i managed to get such a top tier PC, I am not rich. |
It's steam. Steam is not where technical people go.Is this true what this person is saying? Personally i do not think so and just another Steam PC expert.
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System Name | Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load) |
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Processor | Ryzen R7 5800X (PBO tweaked, 4.4-5.05GHz) |
Motherboard | Asus x570 Gaming-F |
Cooling | Alphacool Apex UV - EK Quantum Velocity AM4 + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate |
Memory | 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3800 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V, SoC 1.15V Hynix MJR) |
Video Card(s) | Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to either 1500Mhz 0.737v | 1700Mhz 0.75v | 1900Mhz 0.9v |
Storage | 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + WD AN1500 1TB + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2 |
Display(s) | Kogan 32" 4K 72Hz + Gigabyte G32QC (1440p 165Hz) + Phillips 328m6fjrmb (1440p 144Hz) |
Case | Fractal Design R6 |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic |
Power Supply | Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY) |
Mouse | Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL |
Keyboard | Razer Huntsman TE (custom white and steel keycaps) |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift S |
Software | Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) |
Benchmark Scores | I don't quite know how i managed to get such a top tier PC, I am not rich. |
I run mixed 3 and 4 as well, i cant even remember which one is which right now - they perform identical for anything except sustained reads or writes (and with only one gen 4 drive, that's a bit hard to use to its max)Thanks for the replies guys.
I kinda knew he was talking crap, but thought I would post it here anyway, at least it shows how much "expertise" there is on Steam.
I know my Gen 3 boot nvme is plenty fast enough, and my Gen 4 SN850's are definitely quick enough and only used for games.
System Name | Ghetto Rigs x299 & z490 & x99 |
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Processor | 9940x w/Optimus SigV2 & 10900k w/Optimus Foundation & 5930k w/Noctua D15 |
Motherboard | X299 Rampage VI Apex & z490 Maximus XII Apex & x99 Sabertooth |
Cooling | D5 combo/280 GTX/ VRM water block copper/280 GTX/ D5 Top/Optimus sigV2/TitanXp/Mora 360x2 |
Memory | Trident-Z 3600C16 4x8gb & Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb & Trident-Z 3200c14 4x8gb |
Video Card(s) | 1080ti FTW3 & Titan Xp & evga 980ti gaming |
Storage | 970 evo plus 500gb & 970 evo 500gb many sammy 2.5" ssd's and WD BLK hdd's |
Display(s) | 1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series |
Case | D450 second floor for 2nd rad x2/ Cherry Entertainment center on Test bench |
Audio Device(s) | Built in Realtek x2 with 2-Insignia 2.0 sound bars & 1-LG sound bar |
Power Supply | EVGA 1200P2 & 1000P2 with APC AX1500 & 850P2 with CyberPower-GX1325U & 750P2 |
Mouse | Redragon Perdition x3 |
Keyboard | G710+x3 |
Software | Win-7 pro x3 and Linux Cinnamon 20.2x2 & win-10 & 11pro x3 |
Benchmark Scores | Are in the benchmark section |
Processor | i5-6600K |
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Motherboard | Asus Z170A |
Cooling | some cheap Cooler Master |
Memory | 16GB DDR4-2400 |
Video Card(s) | IGP |
Storage | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB |
Display(s) | 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200 |
Case | Bitfenix Nova white windowless |
Audio Device(s) | E-mu 1212m PCI |
Power Supply | Seasonic G-360 |
Mouse | Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse |
Keyboard | Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994 |
Software | Oldwin |
Maybe somewhere a system with a weird buggy BIOS exists, in which one connected Gen 3 drive makes other drives fall back to Gen 3. Or fall back from four to two lanes. In any event, it's a special case, not a rule.Thanks for the replies guys.
I kinda knew he was talking crap, but thought I would post it here anyway, at least it shows how much "expertise" there is on Steam.
I know my Gen 3 boot nvme is plenty fast enough, and my Gen 4 SN850's are definitely quick enough and only used for games.
System Name | Main PC |
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Processor | 9900k@4.8ghz 1.25v |
Motherboard | Asrock Fatality K6 Z370 |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S |
Memory | 32 Gig 3200CL14 |
Video Card(s) | 3080 RTX FE |
Storage | 980 PRO 1TB (OS, others not listed) |
Display(s) | LG 27GL850 |
Case | Fractal Define R4 |
Audio Device(s) | Asus Xonar D2X |
Power Supply | Antec HCG 750 Gold |
System Name | Work Computer | Laptop | Unfinished Computer |
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Processor | Core i7-6700 | Core i7-7700HQ | Ryzen 5 5600X |
Motherboard | Dell Q170 | Lenovo ThinkPad | Gigabyte Aorus Elite Wi-Fi |
Cooling | A fan? | Some Fans | Truly Custom Loop |
Memory | 4x4GB Crucial 2133 C17 | 2x8GB Assorted | 4x8GB Corsair Vengeance RGB 3600 C26 |
Video Card(s) | Dell Radeon R7 450 | Intel HD 630 + Quadro M620 Mobile | RTX 2080 Ti FE |
Storage | Crucial BX500 2TB | WD Black SN750 512GB + Intel H20 512GB + 1TB HDD | TBD |
Display(s) | 3x LG QHD 32" GSM5B96 | Internal 1080p | TBD |
Case | Dell | Lenovo ThinkPad | Heavily Modified Phanteks P400 |
Audio Device(s) | Half-broken Earbuds | Headphones | TBD |
Power Supply | Dell TFX Non-standard | Lenovo 225W | EVGA BQ 650W |
Mouse | Logitech M275 | Monster No-Name $7 Gaming Mouse| TBD |
Keyboard | Logitech K345 | Lenovo's Incredible Keyboard | TBD |
Software | Quotesoft, Adobe Acrobat, DaVinci Resolve | GAMES | MOAR GAMES |
System Name | RPC MK2.5 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800x |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Aorus Pro V2 |
Cooling | Enermax ets-t50 |
Memory | CL16 BL2K16G36C16U4RL 3600 1:1 micron e-die |
Video Card(s) | GIGABYTE RTX 3070 Ti GAMING OC |
Storage | ADATA SX8200PRO NVME \512GB Intel 545s ssd \500GB ADATA SU800 ssd 3TB Spinner |
Display(s) | 1440p Dell |
Case | Phanteks P300 /w 300A front panel conversion |
Audio Device(s) | onboard |
Power Supply | HX 750i |
Mouse | Kone burst Pro |
Keyboard | redragon k580 vata /w QMK-ORGB |
Software | Windows 11 +startisallback |