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UPDATE: i was able to place a hold on a q8200 for the $89 (open box but at that price who cares). had a friend of a friend who just happens to work at frys, small world!. this is substantially less then i had anticipated a quad would run me. can somebody recommend a board to go with this, better a board with integrated video? they also have a nice mother board combo deal on a amd 710 that’s ends tomorrow http://http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=32664&adid=7762053&subid=25639009&type= for 129.99 + tax.
Good call on the quad. I do not think that the PII X3 720 + that mobo is a good deal. That mobo uses the Geforce 6100 chipset from like, 2005. Plus at the same price Q8200 > X3 720. I don't think you're gonna find a better board for the same price.

I'd step up to a (IMHO) better and quieter PSU. A big indicator of the quality difference between these PSU's is how many amps on the 12v rail. TT=18, Corsair=33! Yet the Corsair is only "rated" for 20 watts more. If you plan on overclocking, the first thing you need is clean, stable power. My rule: NEVER scrimp on the PSU. From JonnyGuru.com: "You can tell a power supply is an ancient design by the presence of a -5V rail, which has been gone from the ATX spec for years now." and, "So, there you have it folks. It just doesn't pay to try and save that extra $50 on your build budget by buying cheaper power supplies." The TT unit's design is from the Pentium III days! Also note that the efficiency rating for the TT is only 65% while the Corsair is "up to 85%". That means that at least 35% of the electricity from the wall is wasted with the TT PSU! You may also want to read this. Also, if, in the future, you want to upgrade or maybe add something like CUDA with a video card, you'd have to upgrade the PSU at the same time. Maybe think of it this way, would you buy a new car and then get gas for it from some guy's tank "around back" that no one knows how long its been there? Or, would you get a 3/4 ton pickup with a 100HP 4 cylinder engine?
Good call on the TT PSU. I didn't take a through enough look at that. Anything Corsair is good.

Question for everyone else: Do I remember correctly that the integrated video on the 780G and/or the 790GX can help with video encoding? This may be an advantage for the AMD argument. I read too much and remember too little.:ohwell: There's something about the G31 chipset that bothers me but I can't remember what it is.
I don't recall anything. I don't see how the IGP can help with a encoding task....

I can't help but feeling that you will quickly outgrow a G31 motherboard, and I'm not talking gaming. The performance of the integrated video may stop you in your tracks. <snip>

I don't think I'd do integrated video on anything less than an AMD 780G (but if you want to overclock AMD, you should have the SB750 South Bridge). If you want to go Intel, how about a P45 MB with a 9000 series video card from Nvidia or 4000 series from ATI (passively cooled)?
I will say that the G31 integrated graphics is probably not amazing, but does it need to be? The OP said that the computer would be "encoding, downloading & internet browsing". Lots of 3D power is unnecessary. Even though integrated graphics have a bad rep, I don't think that it's gonna choke on 2D tasks. Plus, adding a graphics card, even a cheap one, adds significant cost to the build. I seriously doubt that the G31's IGP is that bad.

Good deal I suggest this actually... You'll have a nice GPU that I'm sure you'll need at one point... so 350$ + PSU + CASE... so 380$ + PSU... so If you go for corsair one, A/R, it'll be 425$... Or ask him how much without GPU.. I'm sure he'll give you an amazing price :)

EDIT: nvm, I asked him for you :)
That's an insane deal. See my comment in that thread as to why.
 
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That's an insane deal. See my comment in that thread as to why.

Yup, I found it was too... especially that the thing is OCed very well (you couldn't do half that OC with the 30$ board lol...) and it's OCed for him... with a great cool, a good GPU a good board and good RAM... just WOW :D
 

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Good call on the quad. I do not think that the PII X3 720 + that mobo is a good deal. That mobo uses the Geforce 6100 chipset from like, 2005. Plus at the same price Q8200 > X3 720. I don't think you're gonna find a better board for the same price.

just recalculated my budge and i think i can go maybe $330-$340ish eith this build. leaving me with around $100 to get a cooler and mobo. Would you still recommends the g31, even though im thinking of o/c?

heres what ive got so far

CPU: got the Q8200 $97

MOBO: any suggestions ?

COOLER: any suggestions ? (hear the q8200 o/c up to the mid 3's)

RAM: corsair 450w psu $45 A/R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139003

PSU: corsair ddr2 TWIN2X4096-8500C5 $34 A/R (i hear OCZ is a real hassle about rebates,but thanks for you suggestion anyway n-ster )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145215

CASE: COOLER MASTER Elite 341 $29.99
http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0305925

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 640 GB WD6400AAKS $53.99
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0017XUX7O/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

OR

Seagate Barracuda ST3500418AS 500GB @ $59.99
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-7200-12-Cache-ST3500418AS/dp/B001VKYA5E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1241154644&sr=1-1

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Good deal I suggest this actually... You'll have a nice GPU that I'm sure you'll need at one point... so 350$ + PSU + CASE... so 380$ + PSU... so If you go for corsair one, A/R, it'll be 425$... Or ask him how much without GPU.. I'm sure he'll give you an amazing price :)

EDIT: nvm, I asked him for you :)

good looking out n-ster. if that were with in my means id take yours and angelkillers word for it and nab the sucker up, but not only that ive already got the q8200.
 
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just recalculated my budge and i think i can go maybe $330-$340ish eith this build. leaving me with around $100 to get a cooler and mobo. Would you still recommends the g31, even though im thinking of o/c?

heres what ive got so far

CPU: got the Q8200 $97

MOBO: any suggestions ?

COOLER: any suggestions ? (hear the q8200 o/c up to the mid 3's)
Getting the q8200 in the 3's is gonna be hard. The Q8200 has a multiplier of 7 which is realively low and makes OCing difficult because you need a high FSB. Example, to hit 2.8GHz, you have to run 400x7. 3GHz needs 430*7 and 3.5GHz needs 500*7. I don't know how high a cheap motherboard can go. Definately not 3.5GHz, but I think that that Gigabyte G31 board might be able to do a 400MHz FSB. A 2.8GHz quad is still pretty nice, especially when you consider the budget. But if you have $100 for the mobo and the heatsink, you can get a cheap used P45/P35 board. It shouldn't be too hard to get such a board for $75. As for an amazing cooler, how about a Xigmatek HDT S1283 for $26 after rebates? It's definitely worth the money. You might be able to find that cheaper used also.

I'd get the WD6400AAKS over the 500GB 7200.12. Primarily because it's cheapeer and larger. But the WD drive also has a much quicker access time, which is the main reason SSDs are so amazing.

It's really late so I hope this all makes sense.
 
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How about a G45 MOBO? I was just reading the reviews on the egg and the MSI and Foxconn (especially) had nice reviews and seemed to overclock well. The 4000 series IGP will perform better than the G31's as well. Another benefit is an ICH10R southbridge rather then the ICH7.

This is going to be your main system. IMHO, don't buy the used HDD. If this was for a system that was not your main system, or as a second HDD, then I'd say go for it. As for the Seagate 7200.12, the reviewers were surprised with its lack of performance. The WD has been, and continues to win the overall crown of HDD reviews. The egg has been running specials on them every once and a while for $5 off. Seems to be about time again. Also, there are some crazy deals on the Samsung Spinpoint F1 1GB HDD's, more money but more space.

You mentioned Slickdeals. Have you seen Searchalldeals? It's a site that lists several of the other "deal" sites, including Slickdeals.

This is fun, right?:laugh:
 
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the 7200.12 500gb 60$ shipped IMO is actually better since it's one platter... and that 640gb is USED.. don't buy USED HDs! so the WD is actually 65$

so I asked him and it's 290$ without GPU... so total 365$ A/R for a CPU OCed to 3.6xx ghz o_O
 
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But then he'd NEED a video card.
 
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why the mobo doesn't have one? anyways he has a lot of good choices to choose from
 
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Well, he now has a CPU, so that deal is not such a deal anymore for him. And, no, a P35 does not have an IGP.
 
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I thought he could get it... lol didn't know he actually bought it... anyways, for a cooler s1283 with 10$ backpate... mobo I have no idea :p

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Update: ok guys Really good news, just got some unexpected funding coming my way. so instead of 100, i got about 200-250 more to spend (doesnt mean i NEED to spend it all, but its there if necessary). SO, went ahead and bought a corsair 450W psu for 39.99! pretty happy with that. the mobo i am looking at now is this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16813128368 (these are going for 84.99 A/R at my local microcenter) and this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128359 ($105 A/R @ the egg)they appear about the same and have good reviews. my hands are still up in the air about which cooler to settle with http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233003
or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134&Tpk=7 pro artic . its still a toss up between the Western Digital Caviar Blue OR Black 640gb. I still need a good for non-gamer video card, looking at this one http://www.fatwallet.com/redirect/b...319&url=http://shop4.frys.com/product/5837943 but would like to get other opinions. OH and about ram! been doing some thinking, one question, whats better to go with, the 1066 or 800 ?) remember, i plan to OC..
looking at these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820148212

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227289
 

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233003
Theirs the cooler that would give best results for price ...

Regarding mobo ..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136060

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131299
...Both are outstanding boards.

Although if you can get that GB for what I see quite a bit cheaper, then do it. :)

RAM? IMO Always go 1066 spec'd ram when planning to OC. It's always best to have more than not enough. Can always, underclock the ram to 1Ghz if needed, but with 800mhz ra, you would be overclocking it at that speed. Oh also your ram links are broken. :)
 
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get the 7200.12 500gb 60$ drive from the egg IMO... get the Xig s1283 or s1283V

these RAM look like they will OC alot... (1.6V!)

A/R theses look good

mobo I have no clue :) I know gig ud3 and asus p5q are popular

GPU seems fine? It's much cheaper than newegg so probably a great deal ;)\

btw you messed up your last 2 links :laugh:

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That 9600GSO would be a good Folder!:toast: If you're non-gaming, you don't need that much of a card. And, it's not that efficient.
You're on the cusp of a quiet system. The WD blue, a passive heatsink video card (9400GT or 9500GT), the PSU you got, a good, but quiet HSF (like the XIGMATEK HDT-S1283), and a case, like the Antec Solo (those MOBO's that you are pointing to are ATX so you will need a larger case than that CM Elite), will make very good ingredients for a quiet and efficient system.
 

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Nice find again n-ster. Throw some heatspreaders on em and a corsair dom fan, they will turn out to be monsters!!!
 
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He doesn't need monsters though :p
 
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For the mobo, I say get the Gigabyte UD3R or the Asus P5Q Pro. Both are amazing boards from what I've seen.

The Xigmatek will destroy the Freezer every day of the week, including Sundays.

Me an n-ster disagree about that Seagate drive. Access time is just too high and access time is more important than sequential reads, especially when both drives are really fast. The difference between the WD 640GB Blue and Black is negliable. The Black may be 10% faster and is definately louder. If it's a $5 difference, go for the black. Any more than that, I'd have to stick with the Blue. But either drive will be a good choice.

Video card doesn't matter much. HD 4350 or 94/9500GT on the low end. The 4670 and 9600GSO are both a step up if you want to possibly do some gaming. I'd suggest a passive card as some of these cheaper cards have small fans, which are pretty loud.

RAM doesn't matter much. Get any DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 or DDR2-1066 5-5-5-15. That gives you lots of head room for overclocking. DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 are capable of doing higher speeds, that's why they have tight timings. I'd expect these kits to reach DDR2-1000 no problems. DDR2-1066 is already at 533MHz, which is plenty for OCing. Brand doesn't matter much either. I like Corsair and Crucial. However, OCZ, Gskill and Kingston are perfectly acceptable as well.
 
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Me an n-ster disagree about that Seagate drive. Access time is just too high and access time is more important than sequential reads, especially when both drives are really fast. The difference between the WD 640GB Blue and Black is negliable. The Black may be 10% faster and is definately louder. If it's a $5 difference, go for the black. Any more than that, I'd have to stick with the Blue. But either drive will be a good choice.

indeed, it's access time is 17ms, very high. that is though, because Seagate put it in "quiet" mode

"Seagate's factory programming and shift the drive out of its noise-optimized "quiet" seek mode." is why it's access time is high... but it is quiet :)

but doing a bit more research, basically, this Seagate drive is extremely fast doing reads... REAL Fast... where it does less well is writing and copying...

As for black vs blue, I'd pay 7.50$ more for it:)

IMO, just get the best valued one
 
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Of course....., now that you bought the PSU....., the Egg does this, a VERY quiet case with an Earthwatts 500w PSU for $90, shipping included! Promo Code EMCLSLS23 :nutkick:
 
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Cooling Silent Loop 2 280mm | Dark Rock Pro TR4
Memory 128GB (4x32gb) DDR4 3600Mhz | 128GB (8x16GB) DDR4 2933Mhz
Video Card(s) EVGA RTX 3080 | ASUS Strix GTX 970
Storage Optane 900p + NVMe | Optane 900p + 8TB SATA SSDs + 48TB HDDs
Display(s) Alienware AW3423dw QD-OLED | HP Omen 32 1440p
Case be quiet! Dark Base Pro 900 rev 2 | be quiet! Silent Base 800
Power Supply Corsair RM750x + sleeved cables| EVGA P2 750W
Mouse Razer Viper Ultimate (still has buttons on the right side, crucial as I'm a southpaw)
Keyboard Razer Huntsman Elite, Pro Type | Logitech G915 TKL
did he buy a case yet? hopefully he didn't buy a matx only case :( I think he'll be much happier with Corsair PSU though :p though that deal is pretty darn awesome...
 
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Memory 128GB (4x32gb) DDR4 3600Mhz | 128GB (8x16GB) DDR4 2933Mhz
Video Card(s) EVGA RTX 3080 | ASUS Strix GTX 970
Storage Optane 900p + NVMe | Optane 900p + 8TB SATA SSDs + 48TB HDDs
Display(s) Alienware AW3423dw QD-OLED | HP Omen 32 1440p
Case be quiet! Dark Base Pro 900 rev 2 | be quiet! Silent Base 800
Power Supply Corsair RM750x + sleeved cables| EVGA P2 750W
Mouse Razer Viper Ultimate (still has buttons on the right side, crucial as I'm a southpaw)
Keyboard Razer Huntsman Elite, Pro Type | Logitech G915 TKL
idk I can't find it anymore :( I saw this 500W PSU that wasn't half bad at 30$

My bad, didn't know EW was that good lol
 

JrRacinFan

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Cooling Custom Water 1x420 : Stock
Memory 32GB T-Force Deltas : 16GB Dominator Platinums
Video Card(s) PowerColor 7900 XTX Liquid Devil: iGPU
Storage 20+ TB
Display(s) Sammy 49" 5k Ultrawide
Case Custom White Painted Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2
Audio Device(s) Onboard : Onboard
Power Supply EVGA 1200W P2
Mouse Corsair M65 RGB Elite White
Keyboard Hyperx Origins 65
Software Windows 10
Joined
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Location
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System Name Homelabs
Processor Ryzen 5900x | Ryzen 1920X
Motherboard Asus ProArt x570 Creator | AsRock X399 fatal1ty gaming
Cooling Silent Loop 2 280mm | Dark Rock Pro TR4
Memory 128GB (4x32gb) DDR4 3600Mhz | 128GB (8x16GB) DDR4 2933Mhz
Video Card(s) EVGA RTX 3080 | ASUS Strix GTX 970
Storage Optane 900p + NVMe | Optane 900p + 8TB SATA SSDs + 48TB HDDs
Display(s) Alienware AW3423dw QD-OLED | HP Omen 32 1440p
Case be quiet! Dark Base Pro 900 rev 2 | be quiet! Silent Base 800
Power Supply Corsair RM750x + sleeved cables| EVGA P2 750W
Mouse Razer Viper Ultimate (still has buttons on the right side, crucial as I'm a southpaw)
Keyboard Razer Huntsman Elite, Pro Type | Logitech G915 TKL
Sorry don't feel like reading it atm :p but is it comparable to a HX 520?
 
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