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GLOBALFOUNDRIES today announced the accomplishment of a key milestone in its strategy to enable 3D stacking of chips for next-generation mobile and consumer applications. At its Fab 8 campus in Saratoga County, N.Y., the company has demonstrated its first functional 20nm silicon wafers with integrated Through-Silicon Vias (TSVs). Manufactured using GLOBALFOUNDRIES' leading-edge 20nm-LPM process technology, the TSV capabilities will allow customers to stack multiple chips on top of each other, providing another avenue for delivering the demanding performance, power, and bandwidth requirements of today's electronic devices.

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It's nice to see this tech being finally developed for mass production. This will bring more performance at reasonable prices. GloFo may finally be doing their part in the ecosystem to advance computing power.
 

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FINALLY! 20nm in Glo-FO!
 
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AMD seems to benefit. :)
 
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Looking good at glo fo ,I eagerly await some aggravated use of this tech.
 
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AMD seems to benefit. :)
Globalfoundries? 20nm?
AMD, die shrink Yer CPUs, please! :D

AMD was pushing the 32nm process to the limit for quite some time now. They were doing miracles with it power-efficiency-wise, but now there is simply no room where to improve it on the 32nm. Going 20nm would really help them in that regard.
 
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Not just 20nM but an actual competive advantage against Intel

This is especially good news for AMD if they can apply this tech across their various tech product lines ( GPUs, APUs, CPUs, memory chips, etc). Certainly, Intel has the upper hand in offering smaller and smaller nodes faster than anyone else, but TSV gives AMD and other GF partners the ability to stretch out the comeptitive lifetime for using a particular node, especially as it becomes more and more difficult (and expensive) to produce ever smaller transistors. TSV sounds like it'll be really beneficial for AMD's future GPU since waiting for new nodes to become available and mature to acceptable production yields, is a major factor in why AMD and Nvidia have had to delay products over recent years. Now they can simply (or at least more simply than transitioning to a new node) add an additional layer to an existing GPU design to theoretially double performance. Of couse, I am no engineer and I may be over simplifying everything. There may be issues and limitations to TSV like higher heat production and voltage leakage or limits on how many layers are doable for a particular node type. Obviously, AMD won't be able to appy this technology to their products at least for a few more years, but hopefully it will come sooner rather than later, and give AMD the ability to update products more frequently and stay on schedule when releasing new parts.
 
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Globalfoundries? 20nm?
AMD, die shrink Yer CPUs, please! :D

AMD was pushing the 32nm process to the limit for quite some time now. They were doing miracles with it power-efficiency-wise, but now there is simply no room where to improve it on the 32nm. Going 20nm would really help them in that regard.
Yeah definitely. They were on a challenging competition with the 3rd gen Intel i7s being 22nm and they competing with their 32nm architecture. Now the competition should be justified after they release the 20nm CPUs.
 

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infact amd said it will increase its core count in 8350 to 16!! there was a thread here somewhere....
 

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infact amd said it will increase its core count in 8350 to 16!! there was a thread here somewhere....
Just install the patch and you're set!
 
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infact amd said it will increase its core count in 8350 to 16!! there was a thread here somewhere....
8350 has 8 cores though. I hope they are gonna release an even mightier beast. Their Phenom and Athlon series were the best ever. FX is good but the others were more popular when they were released. After they decrease the TDP of their CPUs and improve the crossfire performance which many people are concerned about too, I bet their sales will rise up. :)

Just install the patch and you're set!
Really? I mean the patch will make the 8 core to 16 core? :twitch:
 
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I've been working on 3 dimensional chip stacking for years.
 

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8350 has 8 cores though. I hope they are gonna release an even mightier beast. Their Phenom and Athlon series were the best ever. FX is good but the others were more popular when they were released. After they decrease the TDP of their CPUs and improve the crossfire performance which many people are concerned about too, I bet their sales will rise up. :)



Really? I mean the patch will make the 8 core to 16 core? :twitch:
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This is especially good news for AMD if they can apply this tech across their various tech product lines ( GPUs, APUs, CPUs, memory chips, etc). Certainly, Intel has the upper hand in offering smaller and smaller nodes faster than anyone else, but TSV gives AMD and other GF partners the ability to stretch out the comeptitive lifetime for using a particular node, especially as it becomes more and more difficult (and expensive) to produce ever smaller transistors. TSV sounds like it'll be really beneficial for AMD's future GPU since waiting for new nodes to become available and mature to acceptable production yields, is a major factor in why AMD and Nvidia have had to delay products over recent years. Now they can simply (or at least more simply than transitioning to a new node) add an additional layer to an existing GPU design to theoretially double performance. Of couse, I am no engineer and I may be over simplifying everything. There may be issues and limitations to TSV like higher heat production and voltage leakage or limits on how many layers are doable for a particular node type. Obviously, AMD won't be able to appy this technology to their products at least for a few more years, but hopefully it will come sooner rather than later, and give AMD the ability to update products more frequently and stay on schedule when releasing new parts.
Come on Microsoft , wave some stuff about ;).
 
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Typical GloFo, can't even get an April Fool's Day joke out on time :p
 
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Globalfoundries? 20nm?
AMD, die shrink Yer CPUs, please! :D

AMD was pushing the 32nm process to the limit for quite some time now. They were doing miracles with it power-efficiency-wise, but now there is simply no room where to improve it on the 32nm. Going 20nm would really help them in that regard.
Yes, they could finally catch up to the 32nm Sandy Bridge perhaps;)

But putting jokes aside, this is great news indeed. We need much more competition on the CPU side, I hope AMD can make Intel sweat a little bit soon, and force them to make even better CPUs and drop prices:toast:
 
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This is especially good news for AMD if they can apply this tech across their various tech product lines ( GPUs, APUs, CPUs, memory chips, etc). Certainly, Intel has the upper hand in offering smaller and smaller nodes faster than anyone else, but TSV gives AMD and other GF partners the ability to stretch out the comeptitive lifetime for using a particular node, especially as it becomes more and more difficult (and expensive) to produce ever smaller transistors. TSV sounds like it'll be really beneficial for AMD's future GPU since waiting for new nodes to become available and mature to acceptable production yields, is a major factor in why AMD and Nvidia have had to delay products over recent years. Now they can simply (or at least more simply than transitioning to a new node) add an additional layer to an existing GPU design to theoretially double performance. Of couse, I am no engineer and I may be over simplifying everything. There may be issues and limitations to TSV like higher heat production and voltage leakage or limits on how many layers are doable for a particular node type. Obviously, AMD won't be able to appy this technology to their products at least for a few more years, but hopefully it will come sooner rather than later, and give AMD the ability to update products more frequently and stay on schedule when releasing new parts.
I don't think this is as useful as it might seem. The main issue is that silicon is not a great heat conductor, so the lower layers of any multi-layer chip would be very constrained by TDP. This is probably the reason why they are introducing it to their low-power process. For a graphics card or a desktop processor producing even a moderate amount of heat, the lowest die would get too hot at what we consider to be standard clock speeds. The only die that can be allowed to produce any significant quantity of heat is the top one.

I see multi-layer chips as being useful for eDRAM, which can be put on the lower layer(s) with the main processor on the top most layer. This is similar to Intel's Haswell and NVidia's Volta, except they use memory on the same package whereas this would be in the die stack and could potentially have a much much wider bus.
 
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It is good to see that Industry is moving forward. Unfortunately, analog is not shrinking fast enough. I'm still designing circuits for 65nm process.
 
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Yes, they could finally catch up to the 32nm Sandy Bridge perhaps;)

But putting jokes aside, this is great news indeed. We need much more competition on the CPU side, I hope AMD can make Intel sweat a little bit soon, and force them to make even better CPUs and drop prices:toast:
with every new architecture from intel you will realize the drive behind ipc is almost getting to a dead end with how huge and complex the cores have become, what will you do next? add more decoders and widen the fpu? when already now they dont even see full utilization?
the only thing intel have been doing is improve the cache subsystem with more entries and queues here and there, and improved prefetcher and branch predictors, but that will only go so far on this same old design, eventually they will need to make a radical redesign to the whole core to make room for improvement. bulldozer wasnt ideal, but surely it opened much more room for improvement, and i see the whole module idea going a long way even much longer after excavator

I don't think this is as useful as it might seem. The main issue is that silicon is not a great heat conductor, so the lower layers of any multi-layer chip would be very constrained by TDP. This is probably the reason why they are introducing it to their low-power process. For a graphics card or a desktop processor producing even a moderate amount of heat, the lowest die would get too hot at what we consider to be standard clock speeds. The only die that can be allowed to produce any significant quantity of heat is the top one.

I see multi-layer chips as being useful for eDRAM, which can be put on the lower layer(s) with the main processor on the top most layer. This is similar to Intel's Haswell and NVidia's Volta, except they use memory on the same package whereas this would be in the die stack and could potentially have a much much wider bus.
this^
nvidia already stated they will use stacked dram for their gpus in their future roadmap but its pretty much only to add capacity per chip(if i remember correctly i dont remember them saying it will be part of the same die did they?), which is expected in the next few years. but for gpus and cpus idk how likely this could work other than maybe having the l3 cache at the lower level and the cores on top, would make an interesting twist.
on another I hope this makes ssds cheaper tho thats for sure!
 
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the only thing intel have been doing is improve the cache subsystem with more entries and queues here and there, and improved prefetcher and branch predictors, but that will only go so far on this same old design, eventually they will need to make a radical redesign to the whole core to make room for improvement.
excuse me, but what?:) Are we talking about the same architecture?

They completely redesigned the out-of-order execution (from scratch) in Sandy Bridge and the new one turned out to be pretty awesome tbh, it's one of the main reason it's ended up being one of the best CPUs ever of it's time (if not the one).
They not only "improved" the cache but also added a new very high speed ring bus and other things like QuickSync or 6GBPs SATA to the chipset as well.
Hell, it was beating the 980X Extreme in many of the tests, if this is the result when they don't introduce "radical changes", I have to admit I'm quite OK if they just go like that every time.