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Original article from AP:

https://apnews.com/828aefab64d4411bac257a07c1af0ecb

So, you have a thing called Location History, which you don't have to turn on. However, if you go to myactivity.google.com everything you've done in Maps is saved. You have to turn off Web and App activity for it to be properly off (and I haven't tried this soo).

Now, this isn't surprising, and one could argue that Location history is not the same thing as what is shown here, that LH is a convinience-thing, but practically it really is the same thing.

So what does it mean? Nothing much. Google owns you anyway.
 

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No it doesn't own me! I am not a number! :laugh:
 
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Even if you own an Apple phone, don't use Google Search or any Google products, if you ever replied to an email from someone who uses a gmail address, Google has hooks in you.

No it doesn't own me! I am not a number!
Sure you are. An IP number and a hash number. And they are actively seeking to learn more about you.

And people complain about Microsoft's privacy policy? :kookoo: :rolleyes: :kookoo:
 

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Yeah, I wuz just messin' Bill. ;) I think ya missed the laughing icon at the end too, which helped clarify it.
 
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Sure you are. An IP number and a hash number. And they are actively seeking to learn more about you.
You are being grossly over dramatic and flattering actually. They don't care to learn about you but rather about whoever sits behind the device using it.

Even if you own an Apple phone, don't use Google Search or any Google products, if you ever replied to an email from someone who uses a gmail address, Google has hooks in you.
They have hooks in you ? Sorry, that sounds like paranoia if anything, though if you were again exaggerating or joking, excuse me.
 
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The more I hear about google, the less appealing it appears to me.

I'm gonna switch all my accounts to my protonmail and leave my old gmail account to die.

I'll buy a Windows Phone and hope it has less telemetry.
 
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The more I hear about google, the less appealing it appears to me.

I'm gonna switch all my accounts to my protonmail and leave my old gmail account to die.

I'll buy a Windows Phone and hope it has less telemetry.
both are just about the same at default settings....but with the will comes the way to stop it too.
 

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I'll buy a Windows Phone and hope it has less telemetry.
You're dreaming. Think of the invasive telemetry baked into Windows 10.
 
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They don't care to learn about you but rather about whoever sits behind the device using it.
LOL
They have hooks in you ? Sorry, that sounds like paranoia if anything, though if you were again exaggerating or joking, excuse me.
No, I am not being paranoid. I accepted a long time ago that if I use the Internet, I give up much of my privacy. If you go back and look at some of my posts throughout this site, I am not one to install layer upon layer of security programs (separate anti-keyloggers, for example). I was commenting about how some members on this site and elsewhere seem to think Google is more trustworthy, in terms of protecting our privacy, than other entities - like Microsoft (as we just witnessed above! :kookoo: ), 1.1.1.1, etc.
 
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both are just about the same at default settings....but with the will comes the way to stop it too.
You're dreaming. Think of the invasive telemetry baked into Windows 10.
I'll go back to BlackberryOS hahaha.

Privacy is now a myth.
 
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Even if you own an Apple phone, don't use Google Search or any Google products, if you ever replied to an email from someone who uses a gmail address, Google has hooks in you.

Sure you are. An IP number and a hash number. And they are actively seeking to learn more about you.

And people complain about Microsoft's privacy policy? :kookoo::rolleyes::kookoo:
At least Microsoft is primarily just a tech company, as they've always been. It's not a "front", like Google.

Assuming one is defined by what one actually sells and is the most lucrative at (in this case, it's Google's own users that are for sale).
 
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Well, imagine my shock. Who wants to bet most of Google's privacy buttons and controls literally do nothing? Who's vetting Google anyway whether they actually collect or do not collect certain data and sell it to the highest bidder? And when they get caught, they just say it was an "unfortunate bug". Unfortunate my ass, only thing unfortunate was that they got caught.

As for the Microsoft situation, people are paranoid about it, but Microsoft primarily still sells products. They don't have to sell users to make profit. The telemetry they do, while it can carry user data as part of it, they aren't focused and obsessed over it like Google whose sole purpose is to sell our data to make money. So, you can call Microsoft a "lesser" evil. In all honesty, I'd trust Microsoft with my data more than Google. And I used to love Google. Now I can't stand it.

Only thing I'm really still using from Google is Android because there is frankly no alternative (and I hate Apple just the same). I'm blocking all the analytics and not using their apps and that's about as much as I can do on Android...
 
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This is one of those things where I don't know if I'm jaded or if it really just doesn't matter.

On principle, it's a problem. Slippery slope isn't a huge fallacy here - if they are allowed to get away with things like this now, then what will they be doing later, when we've become completely detached and our information systems grow even more complex and cryptically interconnected? It's a legitimate ethical concern. It's just shady.

And that aside, if the information they're taking from our usage is a commodity to them... ...a way for them to make money, then we should have some say in whether or not we want to hand it over, especially in those cases where we're already paying for a product or service. It aught to belong to us by right. I understand that the services they provide have value to people and maybe that's the exchange on the user end. I just feel like we should have ways to show what it's actually worth to us rather than sort of being forced to cough up our information. If we could truly opt out of this stuff, the market would show the true value of their services and they'd either be able to keep going with only the information that however many people choose to allow access to, or they'd lose out big due to the large number of people who probably wouldn't consent, lol.

And that could honestly go either way. If they were up-front about crap like this, like they were absolutely 100% clear about what they were doing and what you were signing up for rather than being underhanded about it - and there was a way to clearly see it all, people might actually trust them enough to accept it. They may not be so averse to the idea, which in itself is not entirely unreasonable. As it is now, people are taking part in this semi-unwitting, begrudging, poorly-obfuscated exchange... ...the exchange itself might not be such a problem if it is out in the open. But when someone is hiding their actions and telling you it's nothing... ...yeah, that looks bad.

One thing I will say, awareness and oversight are much needed here. A lot of people still haven't caught onto the idea that we've been fully integrated into an age of free-flowing information for quite some time now, and that there are implications that we all need to consider and answer to going forward. It might be important later. Some people will be for it. Others will always be against it. All of this needs to be a factor. Right now it's more like anything goes and the real conversations still aren't happening. The line between "private" and "public" information is unclear right now. It's a whole new paradigm for humanity and it is going to take some hashing-out and getting used to. Gotta find an appropriate line for everyone and really etch it out, legally and culturally.


But then, personally I'm also not too paranoid about what they're doing, now. Later, I may be, but so far as I can tell, the information going around now, to me is worthless and likely cannot harm me. I don't so much consider it private as I do "not openly known." I just don't care if advertisers scoop up dirt on me and use it to try to sell me stuff. I generally ignore the ads I see, anyway. I research my purchases and very rarely do I buy something because it popped into my head. They're gonna have to get a lot more creative before they figure out ways to use that information to get me to actually buy anything, anyway.

In a lot of ways, this is a very old practice. Rewards cards from retail stores are a prime example, though at least with those you sign up, even if you don't realize what you're signing up for.
 
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Probably viewing this page in Chrome...(Can’t say much myself, currently viewing in Safari...¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
 
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There was a time when I cared about this.

Today I can't. I don't do social media at all. I browse on the internet and I'm sure there is logged traffic. Just like there are logs everywhere of every bit of system activity. We use services on devices that are placed elsewhere so you just know that its possible the activity is logged.

That is really all it is. I can't be bothered. Big data helps us, and it also scares us - we are learning right now, in this day & age, how to act and deal with big data. And we make mistakes... so be it. As long as they don't directly damage me or my interests, and so far they haven't, I don't care. Let us make mistakes and learn from it. This is why I applaud things like the GDPR in Europe - its proof of us learning things.
 
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As for the Microsoft situation, people are paranoid about it, but Microsoft primarily still sells products. They don't have to sell users to make profit. The telemetry they do, while it can carry user data as part of it, they aren't focused and obsessed over it like Google whose sole purpose is to sell our data to make money. So, you can call Microsoft a "lesser" evil. In all honesty, I'd trust Microsoft with my data more than Google. And I used to love Google. Now I can't stand it.
Great points.

Sadly, many do not understand the difference between security and privacy. Microsoft is NOT trying to steal your passwords, contacts, real name, billing information, or even your physical location. If you connect via Ethernet, the closest MS knows of you physical location is your PoP (point of presence), where your ISP connects you to the Internet backbone. In my case, that is 10 miles away in the next town over!

Google, OTOH, wants your genuine information so they can sell it, and use it to target ads for more revenue. And your cell phone provider? They know everything about you! :fear:
 
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I'm not really worried about my cell phone provider. They already have all my info because I'm their monthly paying customer. Meaning, they are already making money on me with the service. Them knowing my location is basically same situation as Microsoft's. Telemetry. They kinda need to know things to keep customers happy, be it bandwidth or signal reception quality. But isn't their primary function. Google on the other hand doesn't need to know where exactly you live. Apps, like weather apps do, but that's none of Google's damn business. Except it is because they are a cyber hamsters, hoarding as much data as possible.
 
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Them knowing my location is basically same situation as Microsoft's.
No where close! As I said, with an Ethernet connected PC all Microsoft knows is your PoP. And they don't know your real name or street address or have any of your billing information. If you connect via wifi, they might see pretty close your physical location (if you have location services enabled) but that's it.

Your cell carrier knows your real name, real address, credit information and billing information. But they also know where you have been. They know within a few feet where you are standing, including which aisle of the store you are standing in! :eek: And they know which direction you are heading, and how fast you are traveling. They know who you have texted and talked to too, plus your surfing habits. There's just no comparison to Microsoft.
 
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Thanks for this mention. I just signed up for an account.

No, I am not being paranoid. I accepted a long time ago that if I use the Internet, I give up much of my privacy.
^^THIS^^

If they have the power to harvest your information, (whoever 'they' are) They will, and are, doing it. This goes for corporations as well as your government. Medical companies are harvesting DATA to use in denying insurance to those of us that are high-risk. (DNA services that analyze your ancestry DNA are selling other info to them)
 
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There is no escape from surveillance by either of the tech gods like Google, Microsoft, FB etc..
Legislators think an industry can self regulate with matters of personal privacy when $ profits & market share are the biggest concepts to worship in this life according to them?

Even Trump came out and criticized MS SM run by big tech gods like Google etc... > Link

They don't smarten up, regulations will be forced on them.

Further proof of MS censoring so called "free speech", they look a bit like Google with there left wing bias. Come to think of it, seems like all the silicon valley giants are into controlling the world...

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