Google Stadia closing down

[sepheronx]

Good.

Now got to do the same for all gaming as a service nonsense.

Google is shutting down Stadia

Google’s cloud gaming service launched three years ago.

www.theverge.com

 

[Hervon]

Shocking.

 

[Space Lynx]

lmao

I remember the constant pushing Google had to do at launch to re-assure customers this wouldn't be something they would close. I honestly can't believe Google is as successful as they are, like 90% of the programs they have created have shuttered.

 

[sepheronx]

lmao

I remember the constant pushing Google had to do at launch to re-assure customers this wouldn't be something they would close. I honestly can't believe Google is as successful as they are, like 90% of the programs they have created have shuttered.

All that money they get selling our data and government (CIA) contracts to work against third party states and their own people is a real money maker.

 

[Frick]

Good.

Now got to do the same for all gaming as a service nonsense.

Google is shutting down Stadia

Google’s cloud gaming service launched three years ago.

www.theverge.com

Gaming as a service isn't a bad idea IMO. How do you feel about the video streaming services? Music streaming? Considering how much a gaming PC cost and the cost of games streaming games makes a lot of sense.

lmao

I remember the constant pushing Google had to do at launch to re-assure customers this wouldn't be something they would close. I honestly can't believe Google is as successful as they are, like 90% of the programs they have created have shuttered.

Apparently the way to promotion at Google is to do new and cool things, and so that is everything they are interested in. Once the new thing is out it's time to move on to the next new thing. Maintaining things and follow through on new stuff isn't cool or sexy. The exception is of course their ad business, because that is what they are.

 

[sepheronx]

Streaming is trash, end of it. I don't have streaming service besides Amazon prime only because I buy tons of crap from Amazon. Their service sucks in terms of movies available unless I want to watch a Kirk Douglas movie from 50 years ago.

I can go into the technical of the limitations of it and how you will own nothing in the end, but who cares, falls on deaf ears anyway.

 

[awesomesauce]

Never trust Google in long term. They always abandon things and make another things that they will drop again

 

[R-T-B]

All that money they get selling our data and government (CIA) contracts to work against third party states and their own people is a real money maker.

You mean advertisers I think. Google really doesn't make money on the above. It's not facebook (it tried that, and failed).

 

[cvaldes]

Now got to do the same for all gaming as a service nonsense.

Gaming as a Service has its place and certainly isn't going away.

I will point out that not everyone is gaming on a PC or even a console. And many are casual gamers.

Most gaming revenue comes from mobile these days and many games can be enjoyed via cloud gaming which alleviates the need for gigabyte-sized downloads (even Minecraft is nearly 1 GB).

To wish for GaaS to go away shows a distinct lack of awareness of a large segment of the gaming world and the trends that consumers are following.

Remember that streaming is just an online convenience that replaced the physical delivery method of years past. The basic concept isn't much different than checking out books and CDs from the library, the original Netflix (DVDs by mail) or video rental stores.

 

[Steevo]

lmao

I remember the constant pushing Google had to do at launch to re-assure customers this wouldn't be something they would close. I honestly can't believe Google is as successful as they are, like 90% of the programs they have created have shuttered.

I have Google videos I can’t watch after paying for, MSN Music I can’t listen to after they shut down. DRM, SAAS and other cloud ideas are retarded, all they have done is encourage me to become a great pirate.

 

[Frick]

Streaming is trash, end of it. I don't have streaming service besides Amazon prime only because I buy tons of crap from Amazon. Their service sucks in terms of movies available unless I want to watch a Kirk Douglas movie from 50 years ago.

I can go into the technical of the limitations of it and how you will own nothing in the end, but who cares, falls on deaf ears anyway.

Not owning it, as in not having to buy it, is entirely the point.

I have Google videos I can’t watch after paying for, MSN Music I can’t listen to after they shut down. DRM, SAAS and other cloud ideas are retarded, all they have done is encourage me to become a great pirate.

So you roll your own email?

 

[Imouto]

Next is the EGS. Even Epic must get tired of burning money getting nowhere.

 

[cvaldes]

Not owning it, as in not having to buy it, is entirely the point.

Some people don't understand that they don't need to own things forever.

Let's say I watch some NOVA episode on PBS about black holes. Often, I can buy the episode on DVD and own it forever. Or I can hope for a rerun. Or I can watch the episode online. If I donate to my local PBS station, I gain access to PBS Passport which is a larger archive of online content with access dates beyond the regular online content.

Not everyone needs to keep everything they own. Hell, I have audio CDs from the early Nineties that I probably haven't listed to in twenty years. Every five years I go through my bookshelves and donate titles I no longer have any interest in keeping.

In the end, everyone dies and everything you leave behind will be someone else's duty to go through.

That black hole DVD? Maybe it'll be interesting for the next person. Maybe it won't. Five, ten, twenty years from now, there might be additional scientific discoveries that make part of that black hole documentary out of date.

Let's say I bought Alfred Hitchcock's Vertigo on VHS in the early Eighties. How badly do I still want that? Or the DVD from the Nineties? Or the 1080p Blu-ray from the 2000s? Great film, one of my favorites, I always want to have it available. Do I need a physical copy though anymore? I'm not terribly sure about that.

Once upon a time in a stereo cabinet far far away... I owned Star Wars on Laserdisc. Long gone even though I still love the film.

But nobody loves everything they see forever and ever.

 

[neatfeatguy]

I have Google videos I can’t watch after paying for, MSN Music I can’t listen to after they shut down. DRM, SAAS and other cloud ideas are retarded, all they have done is encourage me to become a great pirate.

I have stream services I use, such as Netflix and Discovery+ (there are others that I use, but I just share/use my family's passwords for Disney+ and so on). I don't purchase anything digital anymore that's solely on a streaming service; the only thing this applies to is games for me (never purchased movies for a digital library such as you can do on Amazon Prime).

I know that Playstation recently lost rights to some movie/shows and folks that did pay for them no longer have access to the movies. I always knew that would happen so I never put my faith into buying movies for streaming only.

I stopped using Steam as a place to purchase games 3 or so years ago when they pushed out their broken UI changes and after months and months of constant issues not getting fixed I said screw you and I haven't supported Valve since. Any games I've picked up have strictly been on GoG so I can download them and install them at a later time when I see fit. I'd hate to see Steam have some kind of melt down and anything I have on there lost to the digital graveyard.

This is one of the reasons why I miss the physical copies of games. Sadly, this seems to be the direction that movies are going, too. I used to be able to go into my local Target and browse 3 to 4 large shelves of DVDs/Blu-Ray movies. I liked to stock up on cheaper movies (under $10) and get a handful a month, add them to my Plex server so they're at my fingertips when I want to watch them. Now when I go into my local Target stores there's one or two small standing displays that can holds maybe 3 or 4 dozen different movies of recently releases and that's about it. Best Buy's movie sections have dwindled as well, just a fraction of its former glory.

I'm not sad to see Stadia go.

 

[AusWolf]

Gaming as a service isn't a bad idea IMO. How do you feel about the video streaming services? Music streaming? Considering how much a gaming PC cost and the cost of games streaming games makes a lot of sense.

I hate them just as much as I hate gaming as a service. Things on my PC are mine. Things in the cloud can be taken away from me without any notice.

Some people don't understand that they don't need to own things forever.

Let's say I watch some NOVA episode on PBS about black holes. Often, I can buy the episode on DVD and own it forever. Or I can hope for a rerun. Or I can watch the episode online. If I donate to my local PBS station, I gain access to PBS Passport which is a larger archive of online content with access dates beyond the regular online content.

Not everyone needs to keep everything they own. Hell, I have audio CDs from the early Nineties that I probably haven't listed to in twenty years. Every five years I go through my bookshelves and donate titles I no longer have any interest in keeping.

In the end, everyone dies and everything you leave behind will be someone else's duty to go through.

That black hole DVD? Maybe it'll be interesting for the next person. Maybe it won't. Five, ten, twenty years from now, there might be additional scientific discoveries that make part of that black hole documentary out of date.

Let's say I bought Alfred Hitchcock's Vertigo on VHS in the early Eighties. How badly do I still want that? Or the DVD from the Nineties? Or the 1080p Blu-ray from the 2000s?

But nobody loves everything they see forever and ever.

When you own that black hole DVD, you can watch it again any time you want without having to pay anything a second time.

 

[cvaldes]

When you own that black hole DVD, you can watch it again any time you want without having to pay anything a second time.

Maybe, maybe not. A lot of PBS episodes are available online for free. The presence of a physical DVD guarantees that I won't. I've been watching science programs since I was a little kid and I can count on one hand the number of episodes from 20-30 years ago that I would still like to rewatch.

And again the point is that there is content that people don't necessarily need/want to own. In fact, most content that people consume falls in this category.

I listen to a terrestrial classical radio station frequently. Once a year, they broadcast something that I think I might want to own. I can go visit their website, view the playlist and often they will have a link to where I can purchase a physical audio CD.

But most of my time, I am fine just listening to their broadcast.

A lot of people will play a video game once or twice and then move on. Does it make more sense to shell out $60 for Cyberpunk 2077 or to wait for it so show up on Xbox Game Pass for a few months as part of your regular monthly subscription?

Going back to the most important point, not everyone needs to own everything forever. That's why there are GaaS options as well as music and video streaming services. That's why there were video rental stores for a time.

Do you buy property every time you go on vacation or do you rent a room at a hotel/AirBnB/whatever?

 

[sepheronx]

Since some of you are incapable of understanding the situation I'll give a name of a title for you:

Crono Cross on PS online.

That is a great example of why always online and not owning your own game is a problem. But I know the mental gymnastics of a response I'll get "but but but not all companies are like that" or "its only 1 title!"

Yeah, there are other examples. I don't need to hold your hand.

As for streaming services, I wonder, how will you mod the game? You are in middle of game and they decide they will remove the game from library before you get chance to finish it?

If you guys are fine owning nothing and just spend more over time having to pay monthly fees for something, all the power to you. Why own a home when you can simply rent?

 

[AusWolf]

Maybe, maybe not. A lot of PBS episodes are available online for free. The presence of a physical DVD guarantees that I won't. I've been watching science programs since I was a little kid and I can count on one hand the number of episodes from 20-30 years ago that I would still like to rewatch.

And again the point is that there is content that people don't necessarily need/want to own. In fact, most content that people consume falls in this category.

I listen to a terrestrial classical radio station frequently. Once a year, they broadcast something that I think I might want to own. I can go visit their website, view the playlist and often they will have a link to where I can purchase a physical audio CD.

But most of my time, I am fine just listening to their broadcast.

A lot of people will play a video game once or twice and then move on. Does it make more sense to shell out $60 for Cyberpunk 2077 or to wait for it so show up on Xbox Game Pass for a few months as part of your regular monthly subscription?

Going back to the most important point, not everyone needs to own everything forever.

For me, that's what youtube is for. I couldn't imagine my present life without channels like PBS Space Time, or Cool Worlds. But I also can't imagine myself not owning my favourite films in a physical (blu-ray) copy.

Game subscriptions are a thing for people who play every game once then move on. I only play a select few titles, but don't mind playing them again and again from time to time.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Maybe, maybe not. A lot of PBS episodes are available online for free. The presence of a physical DVD guarantees that I won't. I've been watching science programs since I was a little kid and I can count on one hand the number of episodes from 20-30 years ago that I would still like to rewatch.

And again the point is that there is content that people don't necessarily need/want to own. In fact, most content that people consume falls in this category.

I listen to a terrestrial classical radio station frequently. Once a year, they broadcast something that I think I might want to own. I can go visit their website, view the playlist and often they will have a link to where I can purchase a physical audio CD.

But most of my time, I am fine just listening to their broadcast.

Streaming has its place, much like broadcast TV and radio. But there is also value in having consistent access to a piece of media one values highly, rather than hoping the licensing agreement to X streaming service doesn't expire, or the rights don't move to a new entity entirely. How stupid would it be if the new publisher of your favorite book (that you own in print) could come by and remove it from your possession because they decided to remove previous editions from circulation?

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you need to already own the game you wanted to play on Stadia, or GeForce Now?

In other words, you were just paying to use their hardware to play game you owned?

 

[cvaldes]

Streaming has its place, much like broadcast TV and radio. But there is also value in having consistent access to a piece of media one values highly, rather than hoping the licensing agreement to X streaming service doesn't expire, or the rights don't move to a new entity entirely. How stupid would it be if the new publisher of your favorite book (that you own in print) could come by and remove it from your possession because they decided to remove previous editions from circulation?

Google agrees. To their credit they are refunding Stadia subscribers.

No one here is saying that ownership of content is invalid. The point which many, many people still can't understand is that Joe Consumer doesn't want to keep most of their content.

That's the way human brains are wired. You can't really remember everything. Who would want to? The number of scratches in a subway car door from 17 years ago? That squirrel your car nearly hit on [insert date]?

You can still buy games.

 

[sepheronx]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you need to already own the game you wanted to play on Stadia, or GeForce Now?

In other words, you were just paying to use their hardware to play game you owned?

Yes.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

You will own nothing and be happy, mwahahasaaaha.

Not.

Those of the opinion PC Mr is dead and we're alllllll set for game streaming just got schooooled yo.

Don't let that door hit you on the way out

The only thing I would stream is TV n movies. ...............

 

[cvaldes]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you need to already own the game you wanted to play on Stadia, or GeForce Now?

I believe both services offer a limited number of free games, typically free-to-play games like Destiny 2, Valorant, Apex Legends, etc. Naturally they want some magnet content to let people try the service before committing to paying for it.

GeForce NOW mostly replicates your synced libraries (Steam, Epic Game Store, whatever) so yes, you have to own the games you play on the service. And GeForce NOW doesn't have the entire universe on games available to play via their service.

These two services are not all-you-can-eat buffets.

Apple Arcade doesn't include every single game on the Apple App Store either. It's a curated collection of select titles. To my knowledge, Apple Arcade does not rotate in popular titles for a limited stay. The subscription does remove in-app advertising and pop-ups for in-app purchases. Also, Apple Arcade titles can be played offline.

 

[sepheronx]

Judging by how Sony's upcoming release is also an external Disk Drive so that their digital only machine now has access to physical copy of games, gives me indication that physical media is still in much higher demand than people thought.