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Got A Virus? It's Your Fault Says Microsoft

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Yes, that's right the maker of notoriously vulnerable software is now blaming you, the user, should you get a virus, trojan or other malware infection on your Windows computer. However, it does look like they have some justification for saying this. For those with long attention spans, Microsoft have just released their 168 page Microsoft Security Intelligence Report 6MB PDF, with the stated aim of providing:
An in-depth perspective on software vulnerabilities and exploits, malicious code threats, and potentially unwanted software in the first half of 2011
The first thing to note about the report is that it is limited to its Malicious Software Removal Tool and Microsoft's other anti-malware products. Zero-day attacks that it can't detect are not included in the findings. So, surely it can't all be the user's fault then? It also means that the security angles from third party security vendors such as Kaspersky, Norton and McAfee aren't represented here.

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They are right. Most the time people blindly open random e-mails, visit badly compiled sites etc. That is how most viruses are taken. No matter which OS you have, there is always a chance of taking a virus if you don't know what you're doing. As long as you secure your PC real-time, and do not fall for anything, you pretty much will never get hacked.
 
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Due to its 168 pages, the report is very detailed and covers a wide range of topics, so covering them all is beyong the scope of this story.
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They are right. Most the time people blindly open random e-mails, visit badly compiled sites etc. That is how most viruses are taken. No matter which OS you have, there is always a chance of taking a virus if you don't know what you're doing. As long as you secure your PC real-time, and do not fall for anything, you pretty much will never get hacked.
I agree and stay away from them side ads and 3rd party apps like java and flash.
 

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I agree with MS. The majority of infections are user error. I don't run AV on my machine full time, only install and run one every once in a while. When I do decide to run one, I'm always clean.
 
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Question: was it the user's fault when simply connecting to the Internet gave you a 50% chance of getting infected by the Blaster worm within 12 minutes on Internet connection back in 2003?
 

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quite an interesting article, but i doubt i can be stuffed reading the source PDF
 

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Question: was it the user's fault when simply connecting to the Internet gave you a 50% chance of getting infected by the Blaster worm within 12 minutes on Internet connection back in 2003?
2003 is irrelevant to the scope of this article. Back then it was an insecure OS. This is about current rates, in which we have much more secure OSes.
 

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If you find a grammar or spelling error in a news article, please PM the writer instead of posting in the thread.

On Topic : Microsoft's report is right. the majority of infections are caused by people clicking on things they do not examine, oblivious to the consequenses.
The social networks (ie. Facebook) are going to be a HUGE problem as 99% of the people who happily share all their personal data and click on everything have no clue what they are doing.
 
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Question: was it the user's fault when simply connecting to the Internet gave you a 50% chance of getting infected by the Blaster worm within 12 minutes on Internet connection back in 2003?
I had KAV Internet Security and never got it back then. The only stuff I got was from DL'ing porn over KaZaa back in Millenium, Bullguard lol.
 
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The only virus I ever had was 100% my fault and I knew I had a 80% chance that I was going to get infected for downloading and installing the program. I did it anyways in the off-chance it was real, because my A/V scan turned up negative xD Stupid.

I don't have an A/V, but I do scan suspicious files if I decide to want to try them. I now practically never download suspicious files, actually none since a year (when I got the virus).

BTW, I download a shit-ton of stuff and go on dodgy sites, click on ads by accident all the time, have bouncing boobs a few times as well, but in my 12 freaking years of massive PC using, I only had 1 virus and it was 100% my fault. Also note that I've been regularly using my computer massively since I was 7 years old, and even at that age I didn't do something stupid, and I was stupid enough to delete Windows files because I wanted to save HDD space LOL so USE YOUR FREAKIN' COMMON SENSE

Also, Apple's OS X is much less secure than Windows. If hackers would target OS X as much as Windows, it would be hell for Mac users
 
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Funny.. I got a trojan on mine a month back, only after I installed MSE. Reason being, MSE turned off Defender which was by default stopping it, then MSE by default opened up the hole for it to get on.

So yes, it was my fault for trying out M$ branded AV software.

Epic M$, real epic.
 
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Lol I have the default Firewall disabled also. I run without ANY A/V except anything that I cannot turn off. I might be lucky though
 

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Lol I have the default Firewall disabled also. I run without ANY A/V except anything that I cannot turn off. I might be lucky though
It looks like you practice Safe Sex Surfing, which can get you surprisingly far. ;)

Are you sitting behind a hardware firewall in your router? That's the important one. This and keeping your Windows and apps patched are the two biggies to staying safe, besides user behaviour.
 
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omg yes! I thank you Microsoft of speaking up
 
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Are you sitting behind a hardware firewall in your router? That's the important one.
Actually, it isn't as important as people think. I run a single port modem, no routing. But I have my ports closed so it's a non-issue. AV however is more important IMO. It's easier to get a virus from Google images...
 

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Lol I have the default Firewall disabled also. I run without ANY A/V except anything that I cannot turn off. I might be lucky though
Same here. I run in DMZ mode on my modem, no A/V and I also have Windows Defender turned off. The only protection I have is Windows Firewall and that really isn't much. I haven't had anything bad happen, but if it did I have a backup. Just wipe the drive and clone.
 

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Actually, it isn't as important as people think. I run a single port modem, no routing. But I have my ports closed so it's a non-issue. AV however is more important IMO. It's easier to get a virus from Google images...
Yeah, I've seen that too. Kaspersky flags up a big warning when it leads to an infected page and blocks it from downloading.

Still though, with a hardware firewall, you can actually sit online with no patches at all on the OS and not get nailed. With the big caveat of course, that you basically don't do anything online with it. ;) The only place one should go with a newly installed, unpatched OS is Microsoft Update and patch it completely, before doing anything else.

In the end though, there's no silver bullet with computer security. It's a strategy involving many different components, all working together.

Same here. I run in DMZ mode on my modem, no A/V and I also have Windows Defender turned off. The only protection I have is Windows Firewall and that really isn't much. I haven't had anything bad happen, but if it did I have a backup. Just wipe the drive and clone.
I'll bet you do that to get low ping rates in online games? ;)
 
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ID-ten-T errors have always been the biggest cause of security breaches, in whatever field - technical or otherwise. Back "in the day", the likes of Kevin Mitnick (now global icon) utilised this to their advantage in what's come to be known as social engineering. This involved such old favourites such as phoning up a support operative, claiming to be one of the company's managers who had forgotten the password for a critical piece of infrastructure... you get the idea.

It used to be perpetrated against large corporates the most; now the focus seems to have shifted to individuals. Instead of getting poorly paid workers to hand over access to corporate mainframes or communications infrastructure, the common thread seems to be persuading individuals to click on the wrong thing on their screen, thereby adding their machine to a botnet, or providing an attacker remote access, or joining a spamming/DDOS task, or passing back keypresses, or whatever it may happen to be. The fact is: it's easier to get non-technical people to click something accidentally, then it is to wade through thousands of lines of source code, or try to understand countless lines of assembly, or test every possible input field for non-validation, etcetera.

If only we could do away with that living organism between the chair and the keyboard, the Internet would be a much safer place...
 

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32-bit XP SP3 is by far the most insecure of recent OS's, with 10.9 Computers Cleaned per Thousand (CCT) which is unsurprising, considering the many hundreds of patches required since its 2001 release.
That's still remarkably low. Only 1.09% of computers scanned by Malware Removal Tool are infected. Malware Removal Tool is a security update by all versions of Windows since XP so virtually everyone has it (unless you're a pirate :ohwell:).

I agree with the findings though. User error is the most common cause and vulnerabilities in HTML/JavaScript/browsers is second, in my experience.


Why should this be, since the admins that run them can be assumed to know about patching and general good security practice?
Either stupid admins browsing the web/email on the server or they're more vulnerable because they tend to have more ports exposed for...serving. Ehm, Windows itself might not be the vulnerability; it could be the software sitting on those exposed ports (JVM, anyone?).
 
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There's no substitute for browser plugins that block active content by default. It can be a pain in the ass if you're online shopping and going to a lot of new sites where you have to enable javascript or flash, but otherwise requires little effort and prevents the most common types of online exploits since they virtually always rely on one or the other.

Personally, I love Avira. My only qualm is the fact that it doesn't give you the max protection it's capable of out of the box and to get that you have to go in and change at least a half dozen settings.
 
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I am in complete support of this, people need to learn to use the internet. It's not that hard, i spend a good part of my job cleaning up the mess left by virus's on client pc's. It sux, and it's always the same bullshit "how did this happen to me?" "i didn't do anything wrong" Google this shit people, learn to browse safely lol.
 
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Funny.. I got a trojan on mine a month back, only after I installed MSE. Reason being, MSE turned off Defender which was by default stopping it, then MSE by default opened up the hole for it to get on.

So yes, it was my fault for trying out M$ branded AV software.

Epic M$, real epic.
Not necessarily true. Defender is re-enabled on windows vista-7 machines after the install. Next things is that the definitions mse uses are all inclusive of what defender has so it will catch whatever defender would catch and more
Third thing, is that it's still your fault you ever got the trojan in the first place


This article simply states that if people knew how to browse safely and didn't fall prey to stupid and obvious schemes virus scans and virus removal wouldn't be so hard or widespread as it is

Sure mse didn't catch your trojan, but that doesn't change the fact that it was your fault it ever got there int he first place.
 

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oh look, a pirated copy of that software i didnt want to pay for!

*double clicks crack, blames ensuing virus on crap antivirus product/OS*
 

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Display(s) BenQ XL2720Z | Asus VG278HE (both 27", 144Hz, 3D Vision 2, 1080p)
Case Cooler Master HAF 922
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty PCIe
Power Supply Corsair HX 850W v1
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
#25
oh look, a pirated copy of that software i didnt want to pay for!

*double clicks crack, blames ensuing virus on crap antivirus product/OS*
Yes, that's a point. Microsoft plays up the infected software angle from illegal downloads for all it's worth, but it's true. They are from an unknown and untrusted source, so it's no surprise that they come with little "extras".

The only time you can be sure is if you know the official Microsoft SHA1 for the ISO file you're downloading and then use something like md5summer to compare it. That pure file will of course come without the trojan crack you need to run the software...

Moral of the story: just go legit.