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I have AMD Athlon 6000+,an old HP 0a64h mobo, 4 gb ram, latest windows 10, and a burned AMD HD 6670 1GDDR5... I thinked to buy an AMD HD 7770 or 7790 for playing medium games. While playing, nothing is working in the backround, i use Razer Cortex + cpu overclock. Would the cpu bottleneck the gpu, or what gpu i should buy? I want AMD GPU ( i chosed those gpus for dx12, and i want a gpu in the future whit dx12) I don't want a beast GPU now, cuz after 2-3 years I will buy the latest CPU GPU etc...
Max price 50 eu, second hand is good too... Or if you know better gpu for that price (even if it bottleneck it, but ob the same price it will be good)
 
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With that tight budget your only option is used...
I know, this is why i questioned what gpu i should buy... I want a dx12 card, but if it's a much better but dx11 card that is good too... And to be good for that cpu...
 

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Grab a 370
 

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DX12 games probably wont run, plenty of current gen titles are having fun (not starting, even on 6 core phenom II chips) running on AMD CPU's older than an FX, due to lacking instruction sets.
 
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I really don't think your CPU can do much of anything past a R9 370 in terms of feeding data. Like that's cool and all that you want DX12 but you really need to save up cash for a new rig in general.
 
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Kinda like painting a rusted out car with a paint brush, getting a new card with that system is a waste of money and time.
 
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I can still play CS:GO on a FX-57 and a 9600GT so that GPU wont get bottlenecked via your CPU :)
 

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I can still play CS:GO on a FX-57 and a 9600GT so that GPU wont get bottlenecked via your CPU :)
Thats Cs:GO which will run on anything. Even a GTX960 will be bottlenecked hard with OPs CPU
 
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Thats Cs:GO which will run on anything. Even a GTX960 will be bottlenecked hard with OPs CPU

Obviously....but he isnt talking about a GTX 960 he is talking about a HD 7770/7790 which his X2 6000+ will run just fine.
 

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Obviously....but he isnt talking about a GTX 960 he is talking about a HD 7770/7790 which his X2 6000+ will run just fine.
Still a bottleneck but wouldn't be as bad.
 

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whether or not its a bottleneck is secondary to the CPU even being compatible with the games themselves
 
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Thanks for replying! I know that Cpu is weak, after 2 year I will buy Zen and latest gpus etc. I want to play mainly esport games, which doesn't require a good pc ;) Melvis ty for response!
 
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I would advise you the same thing as eidairman1. If you can, expand your budget and pick used R7 370 4GB with vaild warranty and you'll be fine for a few years. If that's not possible, you'll have to choose between newer and less powerful GPU (eg. R7 260) or older more powerful GPU (eg. HD 7850). Their price is slightly over 50€.

For "optimal" gaming at 1080p, don't go lower than HD 7850 2GB or R7 260X. They are usually priced anywhere between 40-90€, depending where you live. In my country they are around 70€. You can save 20€ by missing a few nightlife events.
 

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DX12 games probably wont run, plenty of current gen titles are having fun (not starting, even on 6 core phenom II chips) running on AMD CPU's older than an FX, due to lacking instruction sets.

Yup certain files would have to be modified to bypass that. I ran COD4 on AXP after 2 files were changed, ran like a champ.
 
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HD7850 used will do if the PSU can handle it
 
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Thanks for replying! I know that Cpu is weak, after 2 year I will buy Zen and latest gpus etc. I want to play mainly esport games, which doesn't require a good pc ;) Melvis ty for response!

you might be lucky enough to find a member here selling an older GPU in the FS section.....you didnt fill out your personal info, but i know in the US theres almost always a 6950/6970 , or some older GTX570's etc for sale for under $80, wouldnt hurt to look around for items in your country
 
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A 6770 or 7770 is the limit really, that CPU won't handle much else.
 
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Yeah, this is why i picked the 7770, cuz it's limited by the cpu... I don't need 370 for now cuz I can not fully utilize it, and just for 1-1.5 years, doesn't worth.
 

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Well,

I still own two PCs with an OC AMD FX-60 @ 3,1 Ghz and a DFI LanParty NF4 SLI-DR with 4 GB of OC DDR1 as an ASUS A8N32 SLI Deluxe (with 16GB of DDR1..a little dirty secret few people know its possible).

I spent some time optimizing them (yes it plays Crysis ! ;-) so let's go steps by steps:

To put it short, yes your CPU and system memory are clearly the bottlenecks.


1) OS & Memory
Eliminating memory bottleneck is the easiest way to have a fast system.
You have chosen Win 10. Its the right and only choice if you want DX12 but issue is that the Athlon 64 doesn't support x64 for this OS (it's missing LAHF, SAHF, CMPXCHG16b as PrefetchW instructions which have been implemented first in 2005 Revision D).
This means you are stuck with x86 and losing about ~0.5G memory if you have installed 4G. Memory compression feature of Win 10 won't help enough and also use CPU cycles (but still faster than swapping with virtual memory).
Another point is that if your card allocates system memory in regards of its own memory size. So the bigger the memory of your GPU the less you have for the OS and the game.
Here I would go for win 7 x64 or win 8 x64 with 8GB (the CMPXCHG16b is only needed starting from win 8.1 x64).

2) Memory bandwidth
The Athlon 6000 has 2x1MB cache, this was fine in 2005 but is a limiting factor for today's code. So the next bottleneck will be your system memory bandwidth.
I do not know your motherboard and BIOS but if possible try to overclock your memory as much as possible. With DDR2 and Athlon's controller you should reach 6-8MB/s with T2 (test with sandra sisoft by example).

3) DX11 vs DX12
You want to go for DX12 (this is why you chose win 10), issue is that DX12 is more optimized for multi-threads than DX11 drivers which are almost running on a single thread. The AMD Athlon 6000 has two cores and is not optimal in this regard.

4) Memory card bandwidth & resolution
Ensure that your card is using PCIe 1.1 x16 and not x8 (can be tested with GPUZ). x16 1.1 is ok but x8 1.1. is too limiting (search for PCIe scaling if interested by this topic). Do not go over 1680x1050, load is becoming too heavy beyond that limit.

5) Memory card brand
Go for Nvidia, reason is that Nvidia's DX11 drivers have clearly less overhead than AMD's drivers, this saves you precious CPU cycles (PS I'm not religious and had over last 20 years as many AMD card than Nvidia cards).

6) HDD, SSD, RAM disk, cache...
Switch for an SSD if not already done, in combination with more RAM this will smooth your game-play. If you do not have a SSD but have more than 4GB but don't want to switch to an x64 OS try to allocate 2GB to a write back cache and a RAM disk for the virtual memory (there is a good article in tomshardware on this topic, in some cases you can keep your x86 OS but allocate the memory above 4GB to such utilities, no as efficient as x64 but better than nothing if you have more than 4GB (see http://www.romexsoftware.com/).

7) CPU OC & idling unnecessary tasks during the game
You already did it.


Its fun maintaining these old PCs, Good luck !
 
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HD7850 used will do if the PSU can handle it

Agree. My HTPC cpu is around the same age and I can still play GTA V on high at 720p with a 7870. Obviouslly the E5450 is better than the Athlon, but it can still do well in older games.
 

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Memory 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s) Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s) Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) | Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) | Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s) Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores Nyooom.
totally random thing i've experienced and now found on a bunch of phenom II/AMD FX systems: try air cooling the VRM's. I've now found four boards (one asus, three asrocks) where the VRM's overheated at stock clocks and volts, and throttled the CPU's.

OP and others in the thread are dealing with that type of hardware, so keep an eye out for that - especially if you've changed from the stock cooler or its rotated so air doesnt blow over the VRM's, as theres no software readings to tell when its happening
 
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System Name old gaming PC
Processor AMD FX 6300 4.2GHz@1.337V
Motherboard M5A78L-M LX3
Cooling Stock cooler + Case fan
Memory Kingston HyperX Fury 2x4GB 1600@1866MHz
Video Card(s) Sapphire AMD HD 7750 1GDDR5@top1USERBENCHMARK
Storage Seagate 500HD CC49 (from CC38)
Display(s) VW 195S 1440x900@75Hz
Case idk
Audio Device(s) Razer Kraken 7.1 V2
Power Supply nJoy 500W
Mouse Marvo M309
Keyboard Deluxe
Software Windows 10
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Well,

I still own two PCs with an OC AMD FX-60 @ 3,1 Ghz and a DFI LanParty NF4 SLI-DR with 4 GB of OC DDR1 as an ASUS A8N32 SLI Deluxe (with 16GB of DDR1..a little dirty secret few people know its possible).

I spent some time optimizing them (yes it plays Crysis ! ;-) so let's go steps by steps:

To put it short, yes your CPU and system memory are clearly the bottlenecks.


1) OS & Memory
Eliminating memory bottleneck is the easiest way to have a fast system.
You have chosen Win 10. Its the right and only choice if you want DX12 but issue is that the Athlon 64 doesn't support x64 for this OS (it's missing LAHF, SAHF, CMPXCHG16b as PrefetchW instructions which have been implemented first in 2005 Revision D).
This means you are stuck with x86 and losing about ~0.5G memory if you have installed 4G. Memory compression feature of Win 10 won't help enough and also use CPU cycles (but still faster than swapping with virtual memory).
Another point is that if your card allocates system memory in regards of its own memory size. So the bigger the memory of your GPU the less you have for the OS and the game.
Here I would go for win 7 x64 or win 8 x64 with 8GB (the CMPXCHG16b is only needed starting from win 8.1 x64).

2) Memory bandwidth
The Athlon 6000 has 2x1MB cache, this was fine in 2005 but is a limiting factor for today's code. So the next bottleneck will be your system memory bandwidth.
I do not know your motherboard and BIOS but if possible try to overclock your memory as much as possible. With DDR2 and Athlon's controller you should reach 6-8MB/s with T2 (test with sandra sisoft by example).

3) DX11 vs DX12
You want to go for DX12 (this is why you chose win 10), issue is that DX12 is more optimized for multi-threads than DX11 drivers which are almost running on a single thread. The AMD Athlon 6000 has two cores and is not optimal in this regard.

4) Memory card bandwidth & resolution
Ensure that your card is using PCIe 1.1 x16 and not x8 (can be tested with GPUZ). x16 1.1 is ok but x8 1.1. is too limiting (search for PCIe scaling if interested by this topic). Do not go over 1680x1050, load is becoming too heavy beyond that limit.

5) Memory card brand
Go for Nvidia, reason is that Nvidia's DX11 drivers have clearly less overhead than AMD's drivers, this saves you precious CPU cycles (PS I'm not religious and had over last 20 years as many AMD card than Nvidia cards).

6) HDD, SSD, RAM disk, cache...
Switch for an SSD if not already done, in combination with more RAM this will smooth your game-play. If you do not have a SSD but have more than 4GB but don't want to switch to an x64 OS try to allocate 2GB to a write back cache and a RAM disk for the virtual memory (there is a good article in tomshardware on this topic, in some cases you can keep your x86 OS but allocate the memory above 4GB to such utilities, no as efficient as x64 but better than nothing if you have more than 4GB (see http://www.romexsoftware.com/).

7) CPU OC & idling unnecessary tasks during the game
You already did it.


Its fun maintaining these old PCs, Good luck !


Wow, thanks for the long reply;)

1) My CPU support perfectly the 64 bit os, i didn't had problem whit it

2)OC not possible whit this bios

3)Even if it's dual core, dx11 use just 1, so dx12 will be better for me ;)

4)It's x16, problem is that I don't remember what version it had (1.1 or 2.0)

5) AMD improved their drivers, no reason why to switch to nvidia

6)Uhh, long story, I better stick whit 64 bit (btw even whit integrated gpu w10 64bit is running perfectly)
 
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