GPU upgrade

[Deleted member 178884]

It's faster than 7700k,the hell you talking about.

That's a 6700k too.

 

[cucker tarlson]

why is it nonsensical ? even from the point from warranty period it's good.

That's a 6700k too.

lol,you're posting a random yt video you just typed, while I had 4790k and 5775c to compare for myself.... good grief, you're just contributiong nothing but chaos and OT responses.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

11/10 for comparing your overclocked cpu to a stock one - care to compare that broadwell to my 5ghz 7740x?

 

[Vayra86]

why is it nonsensical ? even from the point from warranty period it's good.

Even? You mean only. And warranty is overrated. A GPU either shits itself upon arrival or it does so from user tampering afterwards. Trading a GPU out because its in the last month of its warranty is completely moronic. You don't get extra money from selling it with one month left.

Again, if you want me to tell you what you want to hear, let me know, and I'll say you should run to the store and get a 2070 now.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

lol,you're posting a random yt video you just typed, while I had 4790k and 5775c to compare for myself.... good grief, you're just contributiong nothing but chaos and OT responses.

Yeah, because a 4790k is totally a 7700k, if your going to be ignorant why did you make this thread? I'm helping you here, just upgrade if your going to bash people telling you otherwise.

 

[cucker tarlson]

11/10 for comparing your overclocked cpu to a stock one - care to compare that broadwell to my 5ghz 7740x?

Not comparing an oc'd to stock,comparing oc to oc

https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/broadwell_niszczyciel_test_core_i5_5675c_i_core_i7_5775c?page=0,30
https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/broadwell_niszczyciel_test_core_i5_5675c_i_core_i7_5775c?page=0,33
https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/broadwell_niszczyciel_test_core_i5_5675c_i_core_i7_5775c?page=0,35
https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/broadwell_niszczyciel_test_core_i5_5675c_i_core_i7_5775c?page=0,39

 

[Deleted member 178884]

Not comparing an oc'd to stock,comparing oc to oc

On what? The igpu? The broadwell will obviously win, and it LACKS single thread massively which is essential for high refresh rate monitors.
https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/broadwell_niszczyciel_test_core_i5_5675c_i_core_i7_5775c?page=0,5

 

[cucker tarlson]

On what? The igpu? The broadwell will obviously win, and it LACKS single thread massively which is essential for high refresh rate monitors.
https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/broadwell_niszczyciel_test_core_i5_5675c_i_core_i7_5775c?page=0,5

lol again.these were on gtx 1080. How else would you get 150 fps in BF1 ?
5775c is just about as fast a single core cpu as it can get due to l4.
Jeezus. not this conversation again....... you're steering this off topic due to your ignorance.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...c-edrams-impact-on-gaming-performance.236514/

Even? You mean only. And warranty is overrated. A GPU either shits itself upon arrival or it does so from user tampering afterwards. Trading a GPU out because its in the last month of its warranty is completely moronic. You don't get extra money from selling it with one month left.

Again, if you want me to tell you what you want to hear, let me know, and I'll say you should run to the store and get a 2070 now.

really... no mention for 30% performance increase ?

and are you really serious with 60 being the same as 78 ? I can maybe see no difference between 60 and 65, but 30% ?

 

[Deleted member 178884]

I'm done here, Your clearly not taking advice, and for your information a 8700k would crush that i7 5775c in gaming.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-5775C/3937vsm30276
Your likely playing csgo and other games like that - you'll never hit 165fps, the only way you can get closer is upgrading platform

TBH I'm very happy with 1080 performance,

Upgrading over warranty is a joke - used cards won't be covered anyways.

 

[cucker tarlson]

I'm done here, Your clearly not taking advice, and for your information a 8700k would crush that i7 5775c in gaming.

grasping at straws, 8700k was never in my comparision, 7700k was. And userbench ? are you serious ?

oh you done here ? what a loss....... you were only steering this topic off with your rectum derived theories about 5775c bottlenecking the whole system,but other than that you really helped a lot

Upgrading over warranty is a joke - used cards won't be covered anyways.

care to explain why exactly ? or maybe read the OP where I said the shop themselves said I'll be covered as a 2nd hand user ?

 

[Deleted member 178884]

grasping at straws, 8700k was never in my comparision, 7700k was.

Look around yourself, the 5775c will be beaten by the 7700k and obsolete by the 8700k.

And userbench ? are you serious ?

Yes, What more do you want? Everywhere you go you see the 7700k/8700k winning in single thread MASSIVELY -
https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/broadwell_niszczyciel_test_core_i5_5675c_i_core_i7_5775c?page=0,5
I even pulled that from the website you've shown here, If you bought a 165hz monitor to play no first person shooters that's a mistake, and fps games almost ALWAYS love single threaded performance, even a ryzen would smash your processor.

the shop themselves said I'll be covered as a 2nd hand user ?

Find me 9 series cards that have failed, how many have out of the millions that have been made? By the time it's failed you'd have your pathetic "upgrade itch" and changed gpu and the "warranty" would've ended years ago.

 

[cucker tarlson]

yes,it loses in synthetics,I never said I run synthetics, neither do those results bottleneck a GPU like you claimed.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

yes,it loses in synthetics,I never said I run synthetics, neither do those results bottleneck a GPU like you claimed.

What games do you play? - The purpose of me posting a synthetic result was to show the *single threaded difference* - I'm assuming you mostly play competitive and chances are they will have a massive performance boost by a faster single thread processor.

 

[cucker tarlson]

You can't just take a r15 single thread score and carry the results on to gaming. Do you comprehend absolutely nothing ?

 

[Deleted member 178884]

You can't just take a r15 single thread score and carry the results on to gaming.

Send some benchmark results on games you play, then we'll compare it to a 7700k.

This is really just a personal decision, There's nothing worthwhile on the market for that resolution and refresh rate, your more cpu bound over anything else, you might as well just wait for 7nm gpus to drop - Your happy with your performance making an upgrade worthless.
I'll leave it up to you - I'm not recommending a 7700k / 8700k in the slightest, however I'm just saying how your processor bound at that refresh rate, a 1080 ti will help but it won't stop the fact you can't hit 165 in most titles - particularly competitive games.

 

[cucker tarlson]

CPU is not a problem here,I get that you can have doubts about the GPU upgrade itself, but stop pulling stuff out of your ass please.


BF2

100% scaling

70% scaling

100% scaling

70% scaling

will do BF1 and WD2 in a while


BF1 sees a 10% drop in GPU usage, but performance increase is there (about 22%).Could be better, but certainly not enough to consider this a serious bottleneck.BF2 is just more stable in its nature, BF1 has a lot of stuff going on, I've seen fps/usage fluctuations quite frequently while playing. Even if you check out TPU reviews, when it was done on 7700k 1080ti was 27% faster than 1080, on 8700k it was 22%.

100% scaling

70%

100%

70%

WD2 sees a 25-30% increase,again with ~10% gpu usage drop.

100%

70%

I don't see how the lack of CPU power could be enough of a concern to be the a factor in the discussion about 1080ti in my system,let alone bottleneck my current one in any significant way.Especially when dropping the resolution scaling like I did is a pretty extreme way to find a cpu bottleneck, installing a new card will not be exactly the same scenario.


@Vayra86 could probably understand that while 7nm is the best upgrade,and Turing ain't the best option either, it does not mean that there are absolutely no upgrades that are worthwile for me and anything but staying on 1080 is stupid. I certainly think that a card with 30% more performance,better cooling and two years of warranty left is a pretty nice upgrade from a 1080 that has almost run out of warranty too, considering the cost of it will be what my 1080 is worth on a 2nd market + around 40% of it.

 

[Vayra86]

CPU is not a problem here,I get that you can have doubts about the GPU upgrade itself, but stop pulling stuff out of your ass please.


BF2

100% scaling

70% scaling

100% scaling

70% scaling

will do BF1 and WD2 in a while


BF1 sees a 10% drop in GPU usage, but performance increase is there (about 22%).Could be better, but certainly not enough to consider this a serious bottleneck.BF2 is just more stable in its nature, BF1 has a lot of stuff going on, I've seen fps/usage fluctuations quite frequently while playing. Even if you check out TPU reviews, when it was done on 7700k 1080ti was 27% faster than 1080, on 8700k it was 22%.

100% scaling

70%

100%

70%

WD2 sees a 25-30% increase,again with ~10% gpu usage drop.

I don't see how the lack of CPU power could be enough of a concern to be the a factor in the discussion about 1080ti in my system,let alone bottleneck my current one in any significant way.

10% lost which is likely to increase when you upgrade to a faster GPU. Putting 30% lower scaling doesnt simulate a 30% faster GPU, because it doesnt get faster compared to your CPU.

So while 5775c may be capable, it DOES eat into the potential gain with a 1080ti, making the potential gain lower than it can be.

 

[cucker tarlson]

In the worst case scanario that is. Should I really pass on a good deal cause of my CPU ?

because it doesnt get faster compared to your CPU.

Don't know what you mean by that. Reducing scaling to 70% brings about 50% more performance in BF2, how is that a less taxing scenario for the CPU than upgrading to 1080ti would be ?

 

[Vayra86]

In the worst case scanario that is. Should I really pass on a good deal cause of my CPU ?


Don't know what you mean by that. Reducing scaling to 70% brings about 50% more performance in BF2, how is that a less taxing scenario for the CPU than upgrading to 1080ti would be ?

How is that making any sense? You still run the same GPU, increasing the CPU load won't magically give you an idea of how performance is going to be with to a faster GPU. Its also a mistake to think a percentage of scaling is also a percentage of performance. These things are not linear at all - or even remotely related. You're fabricating your own reality to justify a purchase here. The only certainty is that at high refresh, you will be CPU bound and that means that this additional 'headroom' you want to use on your monitor is largely not even going to be visible. It also means that the already meagre 30% performance jump will be mitigated. If its 25%, count yourself lucky. I rather think it is going to be about 20% for high FPS titles.

As for your earlier response:

If you certainly think its a good deal, why did you ask for advice? I am here telling you its not, and its a very easy bit of math too. All you need to do is look at the bottom line: you will have paid for a full price 1080 + additional cost to pay for the 1080ti and if you add them together, its probably more expensive than buying a new 1080ti right now. At the end of the road you will be sitting there with a second hand GPU that has been more expensive than buying it new today if you hadn't bought a 1080. The resale of GPUs does work to get profitable when there is/are multiple generations (and thus larger performance gaps) between the cards. Right now you're just trading up: the expensive way.

If that sounds like a good deal to you, I don't know what else to tell you. Also, you know just as well as me that 'better cooling' is a bullshit reason. You cool a card to get performance out of it and the noise levels aren't going to be much different. We also know Pascal doesn't magically OC 200 mhz further due to good cooling.

 

[cucker tarlson]

How is my 1080 still worth its full price now ?
And why do you keep adding the cost of a 1080ti to what I paid for 1080 2 years ago ? Did your current gpu cost you all your former gpus+the price of a new one ? Maybe add my 980ti and 980 I had before.

 

[Vayra86]

How is my 1080 still worth its full price now ?

You know what, buy that 1080ti. Go go

I will say this, its the last time I'm wasting time on these topics with you. If the penny won't drop, its simply pointless.

You're still justifying irrational purchases for yourself. If you can't see eye to eye and say 'yes, its not a good deal, but I want it', then the plank is simply too thick. Either that or you are just attention whoring here. Its getting a bit annoying.

As for the cost aspect my math is simple. If you are reselling a GPU for a better one:

= cost of upgrade + cost of original card - sale price of original card = total cost of ownership.

If that price lands at or under that of a new 1080ti, its a good deal. If it doesn't, you've thrown away money. Its really quite simple. And if you stick to that principle, every time you resell a GPU, you profit from upgrading because you will essentially have had the usage time on the card for free.

 

[R0H1T]

You know OP you're going full on Tucker Carlson at this point in time. The thread died a while ago, you're flogging a dead horse.

 

[cucker tarlson]

By good I mean better than anything else I'd like to upgrade to, don't be so friggin ignorant,you know that. Of course everyone would like to pay less for anything, but if I wanna upgrade I'd like to pick the best option, they are not euqal. Of course I want more performance,if you had a 1070 then you'd want to have that 20% more that 1080 provides. That whole cpu bottleneck is blown out of proportion here, it'll show but it's nowhere near being a deciding factor.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I certainly think that a card with 30% more performance,better cooling and two years of warranty left is a pretty nice upgrade from a 1080 that has almost run out of warranty too,

You really make too much out of the warranty. I’ve only ever seen a couple video cards fail from either me, my friends, or people I’ve built or upgraded for. The failure rate is almost as low as CPU.

They normally fail very early, or because someone has overclocked it beyond its capabilities or didn’t provide adequate cooling. Warranty really shouldn’t be something to deter you from a purchase.

 

[cucker tarlson]

fact is,guys are right about 7nm being the best option. but turing just launched, it's gonna be q2 2020, it's a long wait. I can frankly see no reason to hold this purchase. You upgraded 980ti to 1080ti recently too, even though at 1440p 60Hz you're not using anywhere near to full 1080ti power.