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Looks like I'll have to use XP for this. I got the 7950GT (500/650 :() and installed W7 again. Everything seemed to work fine, no random crashes this time, but the card works in PCI mode:



I'll fiddle around de bios to see if there's a setting that could correct this.

EDIT: no dice. XP it is.
 
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Its a Lack of driver support by Nvidia, NF1-NF4 Users were shafted on Driver Support for Win Vista/Win 7.

Those who have such a board with an AMD video card get a Code 43 when a Dual Core CPU is put in. Sis/Via/Uli Fixed the issue fast on AGP.

Looks like I'll have to use XP for this. I got the 7950GT (500/650 :() and installed W7 again. Everything seemed to work fine, no random crashes this time, but the card works in PCI mode:

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1663/7950gt.png

I'll fiddle around de bios to see if there's a setting that could correct this.

EDIT: no dice. XP it is.
 
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ok, I've been digging on Google and, apparently, there's a way around this. If a random forum post is to be believed, there's a single registry entry that should correct this situation:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\AGP]
"10B95246"=hex:80,00,00,00,00,00,00,00

It's the same value that's included in the ULI AGP GART .inf file

The thing is that I can't create the value because...



CAN'T ADD VALUE: REGISTRY WRITE ERROR.

If I try with a .reg file:



Can't import blablabla agp.reg: Not every value was written correctly in the Registry. Some keys are in use by the system or other processes.
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

Is there any way to edit the registry from a command line or something without loading Windows? I tried the advanced boot options (F8 at startup) but there doesn't seem to be anything of that sort. Tried safe mode but the same happens.
 
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OMFG :banghead:

I ordered 18ft (3 x 6ft) of u-channel molding from mnpctech.com but someone must have skipped over the "x 6ft" part because they only sent me 3ft :banghead::banghead::banghead:

:mad:

I contacted them already. Hoping for a good resolution. :shadedshu
 
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I love the rig, retro AMD-nvidia -snif- :')

One thing, I haven't read the whole thread but AGP with Windows Vista or Seven is a no go (but maybe you can have some luck with 32 bit version, is a GART driver AGP problem). Not sure if even linux can do it. The AGP port will work like PCI. So XP is the only way.

The chipset is an uli (later nvidia bought it) it was a good chipset. But the best 939 chipset you can consider is Nforce 3. Unluckly is agp too. Via chipsets were fast too, but not as great as nforce or uli in my opinion. Also the asrock boards of that time were the cheapest of them all. Hopefully you got a good one, because in the early days asrocks amd boards were slllloooooowwwww
 
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Linux has got AGP support. No problem with installing the Nouveau drivers for making an old GeForce 2 MX400 (!) work on a Compaq Presario I am preparing for a charity. His 7xxx series should still even be supported with the official nVidia Linux drivers. Although Win XP is more useful to him if he wants to turn his legacy build into a gaming rig.
 
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I think it's just a driver issue. I'm running W7 x64 on a 865 chipset (see specs) with no issues so it isn't just a 64bit+AGP thing.


As I said, there seems to be a way around this: http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=531358

According to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Asrock/939Dual-SATA2/ the 10b95246 PCIid is for the ULi AGP 8x controller so if it isn't registered it obviously won't work. The thing is that I can't edit the registry for some reason. I've already gave full access to me (only the "TrustedInstaller" had full control over the registry) but that didn't change anything, I get the same error messages
 
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I think it's just a driver issue. I'm running W7 x64 on a 865 chipset (see specs) with no issues so it isn't just a 64bit+AGP thing.


As I said, there seems to be a way around this: http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=531358

According to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Asrock/939Dual-SATA2/ the 10b95246 PCIid is for the ULi AGP 8x controller so if it isn't registered it obviously won't work. The thing is that I can't edit the registry for some reason. I've already gave full access to me (only the "TrustedInstaller" had full control over the registry) but that didn't change anything, I get the same error messages
Yet the 865 was one of the best intel's chipset, and the only one (really, intel is the only one) supporting AGP on windows 7. So the thing would work perfectly fine on 865. I loved that chipset. Even a core 2 quad runs perfectly fine on it.

I had an Asrock K8 upgrade NF3 (it was a 754 board with an expansion to 939 and later on AM2), and I used the PCI to CPU bridge instead of the AGP for a lot of time. Unluckly, nvidia never released the driver :( so I had to change the board and move to PCI express

The only 939 board sporting PCIexpress is also manufactured by asrock. While its pretty rare, its a nice one with the ATI 785 chipset
 
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Um both of my Asus 939 boards have pciexpress and one is a Sli board. One is a Asus A8n-e and the other is a A8n Sli premium. They both have nforce 4 chipsets. One is running a Hd 3650 1 gig card and the other is running 2x 7300 gt's in Sli.
 
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Um both of my Asus 939 boards have pciexpress and one is a Sli board. One is a Asus A8n-e and the other is a A8n Sli premium. They both have nforce 4 chipsets. One is running a Hd 3650 1 gig card and the other is running 2x 7300 gt's in Sli.
Yeah its right, I forgot nforce 4 completely, cause nforce 5 started to appear later with AM2.
 
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I managed to edit the registry but the change didn't do anything :( so XP it is.

I really wanted to use W7 because the FX60 performs way better in a 64bit environment:

XP 32bit

View attachment 46841

W7 64bit

View attachment 46840

:cry:


For some reason the Vcore is higher in XP :confused:

On another note, I f***ed up the front panel. Re-sanding. :(



EDIT:

XP installed, card running at 8x

mnpctech is shipping the missing U-channel molding


stock 7950 clocks (500/650) 3d06 4788 3DMarks
http://3dmark.com/3dm06/16627367


max 7950 oc (625/745) 3d06 5483 3DMarks :rockout:
http://3dmark.com/3dm06/16627410


EDIT2: having problems ocing the CPU. I can't go beyond 210Mhz for the bus and for some reason setting the multi at x14 doesn't work according to CPU-Z but the bios reports it as 2800Mhz :confused: How safe is to increase Vcore on AMD CPUs? The max Vcore is 1.4v; currently it's at 1.35v.

I set the RAM at 2.5-3-2-5. Working fine
 
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Something I noticed:



The GPU core resets to the stock frequency when no load is present, like some sort of Overdrive. And no, I don't have a 2d/3d preset. Is this the case of every nVidia GPU? I thought that ATi was the first with this feature... or could it be the driver? I'm using the latest one.

benchmarks galore incoming...


EDIT:

Benchmarks

















 
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Fitting test. No major clearance issues to report except for the first SATA port.





This will require some serious PSU modding (cutting and trimming cables, sleeving, etc).



If you're wondering how am I going to fit the DVD drive correctly, I won't. I'll use a laptop DVD drive but I'm missing a bracket to use it in a 5.25" bay ATM.

 
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System Name Night Rider | Mini LAN PC | Workhorse
Processor AMD FX 8350 | i7 2600 | i7 970
Motherboard GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ | GA-H77M-D3H | Gigabyte EX58-UD5
Cooling AMD Wraith cooler| Coolermaster Gemini with Noctua 3000RPM Fan | Big shairkan B
Memory 4x2GB DDR3 G.Skill 1600 6-8-6-24| 2x4GB Corsair 1600 | 6x2GB DDR3 1300 Corsair
Video Card(s) ASUS GTX 970 OC in Sli | Gainward GTX 650 TI GS | ASUS 7970 Matrix
Storage 250GB Plextor SSD Por 5 /1TB WD Black | 500GB WD ES/WD Black | WD 320/Seagate 320
Display(s) Samsung 2494hs 24" 1080P| Samsung 20" S20C300L/DELL 15" | 22" DELL/19"DELL
Case LIAN LI PC-18 | Mini ATX Case (custom) | Atrix C4 9001
Audio Device(s) Onboard | Onbaord | Onboard
Power Supply Silverstone 750 | Silverstone Mini 450W | Corsair CX-750
Mouse Gigabyte aivia krypton gaming mouse | Rapoo V900 | Gigabyte 6850X
Keyboard MAX Keyboard Nighthawk X8 | Creative Fatal1ty eluminx | Some POS Logitech
Software Windows 7 Pro 64 | Windows 7 Pro 64 | Windows 7 Pro 64/Windows 10 Home
Now I think the Nforce 4 boards where about the best s939 boards. :toast:
That would be correct ;) as all mine are Nforce as well, never miss a beat, work perfectly, except for this ASUS one which has a driver conflict argh!

Thats some awesome benching there, im happy to also run some of these if your interested how your system runs against other 939 rigs?
 
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Motherboard GA-B85N PHOENIX | Asrock Z77E-ITX | Asus AM1I-A
Cooling Stock | Antec Kuhler 620 | Reeven Vanxie
Memory 2x4GB ADATA XPG 1600Mhz | 2x4GB Kingston 1866Mhz -|- 2x4GB Crucial Ballistix@1920Mhz
Video Card(s) RX 480 Nitro | Sapphire RX 480 w/Accelero Mono Plus | HD 8400 @ 720Mhz (IGP)
Storage LiteON 128GB mSATA+3TB Seagate | Seagate 1TBxSamung 64GB SSD (Intel RST) | Kingston v300 240GB
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Well, I'm positive that your dual 8800GTs will swallow my 7950GT alive but sure, that'll be fun :)
 
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System Name Night Rider | Mini LAN PC | Workhorse
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Motherboard GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ | GA-H77M-D3H | Gigabyte EX58-UD5
Cooling AMD Wraith cooler| Coolermaster Gemini with Noctua 3000RPM Fan | Big shairkan B
Memory 4x2GB DDR3 G.Skill 1600 6-8-6-24| 2x4GB Corsair 1600 | 6x2GB DDR3 1300 Corsair
Video Card(s) ASUS GTX 970 OC in Sli | Gainward GTX 650 TI GS | ASUS 7970 Matrix
Storage 250GB Plextor SSD Por 5 /1TB WD Black | 500GB WD ES/WD Black | WD 320/Seagate 320
Display(s) Samsung 2494hs 24" 1080P| Samsung 20" S20C300L/DELL 15" | 22" DELL/19"DELL
Case LIAN LI PC-18 | Mini ATX Case (custom) | Atrix C4 9001
Audio Device(s) Onboard | Onbaord | Onboard
Power Supply Silverstone 750 | Silverstone Mini 450W | Corsair CX-750
Mouse Gigabyte aivia krypton gaming mouse | Rapoo V900 | Gigabyte 6850X
Keyboard MAX Keyboard Nighthawk X8 | Creative Fatal1ty eluminx | Some POS Logitech
Software Windows 7 Pro 64 | Windows 7 Pro 64 | Windows 7 Pro 64/Windows 10 Home
Well, I'm positive that your dual 8800GTs will swallow my 7950GT alive but sure, that'll be fun :)
:laugh: Naa that's the mad shots system, mine are running 2x 8600GT's and the other a single 9600GT all at stock settings :)
 
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System Name STEAMBOX | GAMECUBE | EQC (Everyday Quad Core)
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Motherboard GA-B85N PHOENIX | Asrock Z77E-ITX | Asus AM1I-A
Cooling Stock | Antec Kuhler 620 | Reeven Vanxie
Memory 2x4GB ADATA XPG 1600Mhz | 2x4GB Kingston 1866Mhz -|- 2x4GB Crucial Ballistix@1920Mhz
Video Card(s) RX 480 Nitro | Sapphire RX 480 w/Accelero Mono Plus | HD 8400 @ 720Mhz (IGP)
Storage LiteON 128GB mSATA+3TB Seagate | Seagate 1TBxSamung 64GB SSD (Intel RST) | Kingston v300 240GB
Display(s) Daewoo 49" 1080p | ASUS PA248Q 1920x1200 IPS
Case Corsair 250D | CoolerMaster Elite 110 | Acteck Fiji
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Seasonic SS-660XP2 | Silverstone SFX-450 | 200w mini FLEX PSU
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Any good/cheap place to get PSU modding tools? pin extractors and such. I'm planning on trimming and sleeving the wires, maybe change the connectors too for UV green ones. Should I go with single wire sleeving?
 
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Cooling Corsair Hydro H100 || Stock hotplug fans and passive heatsinks
Memory 4x4gb Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 || 12x4gb Hynix DDR3 1066 FB-DIMMs
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 760 Gaming Twin Frozr 4GB OC || Don't know, don't care
Storage Hitachi 7K3000 2TB || 6x300gb 15k rpm SAS internal hotswap, 12x3tb Seagate NAS drives in enclosure
Display(s) ViewSonic VA2349S || remote iDRAC KVM console
Case Antec P280 || Dell PowerEdge R710
Audio Device(s) HRT MusicStreamer II+ and Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 || Don't know, don't care
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Mouse Logitech G500 || remote iDRAC KVM console
Keyboard Logitech G510 || remote iDRAC KVM console
Software Win7 Ultimate x64 || VMware vSphere 6.0 with vCenter Server 6.0
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Ebay, from china with free shipping, if you don't mind waiting up to a month.