*GTX 260/280 Unofficial TPU! Thread*

[Triton.se]

GTX 260+ or GTX 270 or whatever they decide to call it, will fit in right between GTX 260 and GTX 280. A bit faster than 260 and a bit slower than 280. If the rumors are true and if the September launch is imminent, then I would wait a week or two. As soon as 260+/270 hits retail, prices on old GTX 260 and even 280's will drop.

Probably something like this:

GTX 260: $170-200 (depending on model and manufacturer)
GTX 270: $200-280 (more or less where GTX 260 sits now)
GTX 280: 340-390 (depending on model and manufacturer)

Prices of Radeon 4870/50 should drop as well, since AMD will have no choice in order to stay competitive.

So, unless money is no issue, I would wait and save some cash.

As far as my OC'ing. I haven't gone higher than 756MHz. Not sure if v-mod would do any good. Time to do some benchmarks for benchmarking sake and not just stability runs.

yes, i was like that all summer, but GTX260 appeared with 10-15% lower price (207euros) than any 4870 - or GTX260....price/perf..i'm 16x10

 

[Triton.se]

Very nice results! Especially for Vantage!

VERY high 3dm06 sm2 and HDR points...but lacking in vantage!,

vantage gpu points should been 10500 atleast...mine are 8100/8300 3dm06 and 10015 vantage

 

[Kursah]

Do you have the molex plug near your PCIe slot? I found using that when I was running my GTX260 and Q6600 would help stabilize the +12v and vCore readings...My DFI has a 4-pin floppy plug intead of 4-pin molex tho.

 

[Triton.se]

Do you have the molex plug near your PCIe slot? I found using that when I was running my GTX260 and Q6600 would help stabilize the +12v and vCore readings...My DFI has a 4-pin floppy plug intead of 4-pin molex tho.

my psu has 2x6pin pci-e...do you mean I should break load line and use 2xmolex->6pin?

re: Do you have the molex plug near your PCIe slot? - 4pin to cpu, nada to mobo a'la DFI

 

[Kursah]

Nope...as in on your actual motherboard near the PCI-e slot 1, is there a plug somewhere on the board itself? This has nothing to physically do with the vid card atm, but I know some GB boards had a molex connector on the MB near the PCI-e slot...it may help you with power distribution if it has one.

 

[Triton.se]

notice on cpu usage with max oc'd GTX260...

4Ghz vs 3.3Ghz has NO improvement, atleast with 3DM06, 1680x1050, 4xAA, 16xAF...all same SM2 and HDR

I even tested 3.3GHz with ONE CORE DISABLED: HDR kept same points, SM2 lost some.


ppl wont run old games @ 12x10 (or 3dmark06 @ std) with this card, but if they do, then ofcourse 4ghz would show MASSIVE fps increase.

 

[Triton.se]

Nope...as in on your actual motherboard near the PCI-e slot 1, is there a plug somewhere on the board itself? This has nothing to physically do with the vid card atm, but I know some GB boards had a molex connector on the MB near the PCI-e slot...it may help you with power distribution if it has one.

ok..they are crossfire boards

 

[Kursah]

Well run 3DM06 on OE settings that you would submit for a score keeping thread and you WILL notice a difference between 3.3 and 4.0 GHz as 3dM06 is still CPU dependant on the overall score and performance of the GPU. When you crank up the stuff to make the bench GPU dependant, then CPU speed won't matter as much...that's been proven for a while. Increased CPU speeds can help in the "bottleneck" area, but when you crank up the goodies to make that GPU start working and make it dependant on the video processing offloading the CPU, your results should be expected.

I noticed an increase in my overall score, SM2 and SM3/HDR scores in comparison of my Q6600 at 3.6 and my e8600 at 4.0. The CPU score went down by quite a bit as expected, but I was still impressed at the other scores increasing.

 

[Kursah]

ok..they are crossfire boards

My board isn't CF, 1 PCI-e Slot, and it still has that plug, just a floppy power connection instead of molex...as I said in the first post it helped be stabilize my voltages. Just wanted to see if yours had it or not, it was worth a shot.

 

[Triton.se]

OE settings ?

 

[Kursah]

OE settings ?

Original settings...sorry I work at a auto dealership, OE= Original Equipment

Original settings in 3DMark 2006, like when you install the program and click Start!

OE settings in 3DMark 2006, 1280x1024 res, AA OFF, AF/Filtering Optimal/1x.

 

[Triton.se]

i've seen the 3dm06 score formula....sm2 for example is taken from someone's HAT:

SM2: 1.2 x (fps of the first two tests) with some cpu points added
SM3/HDR shows the best gpu perf, it didnt add any cpu to it.

 

[Kursah]

I'm gonna go run 3dm06 and take a screeny w/my e8600 at 4.0 as I can't find the one I took the other night. I don't care about the formulas and such..it is what it is. Not really sure what you're after atm, but I'm just trying to make the point that increased CPU speeds can in fact increase the overall score in 3dm06 and I noticed an increase in all but CPU scores. Maybe I'm on crack, and dead wrong, if so I'll concede that after I do this run...it's gonna be a sloppy run as all of them are...browsers open, music running in the background, I run my benches like I game..a more honest score I believe.

I'll post back in a few! Maybe I'll have some findings that have been proven before by others, or maybe I'm full of it! Either way it's all for good fun!

 

[Triton.se]

I noticed an increase in my overall score, SM2 and SM3/HDR scores in comparison of my Q6600 at 3.6 and my e8600 at 4.0. The CPU score went down by quite a bit as expected, but I was still impressed at the other scores increasing.QUOTE]

E8XXX has 6MB cache...i noticed the diff when i switched from E6850 (4MB, 3.8GHz)..already at 3.4GHz the E8400 beat old SPI1M results !

but..Q6600 should be 1.1x vs dual core / MHz.

 

[Triton.se]

lol..all im saying is that you dont need 4ghz to run gtx260 optimized !

you run 1440x900 and show it differently....,I did my tests on my highest rez, what ppl might use+ 4xAA, 16xAF - puts gpu at strain...if gpu isn't at strain, occupied, ofcourse a high mhz cpu will feed it for more fps.....

 

[Tatty_Two]

My board isn't CF, 1 PCI-e Slot, and it still has that plug, just a floppy power connection instead of molex...as I said in the first post it helped be stabilize my voltages. Just wanted to see if yours had it or not, it was worth a shot.

Yep, that mobo 4 pin plug appears in quite alot of boards now, I think it is intended as you have said to add to stability at high power draw to components on boards of 8 phases and higher......my old Gigabyte x38 DQ6 had one but these 790i ultras boards are so classy they dont use them

 

[Kursah]

Alright I'm a partial lier as my overall score went down around 100pts, but SM2 and SM3/HDR increased with a 4.0 dual in comparison to a 3.6 quad. In the end not a big deal to me either way as long as my games play nice n' smooth, which they do. I love this card! I ran at my old OC level 745/1530 1300 for a better comparison. The CPU score decreased by like 1.5k, which was expected, good enuf for me tho!
Q6600 @ 3.6 and GTX260 745/1530 1300

E8600 @ 4.0 and GTX260 745/1530 1300...just noticed I didn't have my CPU under load for the CPU-z screeny lol! I have Speedstep/C1E/EIST turned on, if I don't need the extra power, I don't want it full speed all the time.

I'm a partial lier, I swear I hit 17K the other night...probably had less crap in the background, but I had some Pantera playing...I just couldn't bring myself to turn it off!

 

[Triton.se]

Yep, that mobo 4 pin plug appears in quite alot of boards now, I think it is intended as you have said to add to stability at high power draw to components on boards of 8 phases and higher......my old Gigabyte x38 DQ6 had one but these 790i ultras boards are so classy they dont use them

any of you guys seen this: oc mem of shader one notch higher, and it'll BSOD in 30secs?

i'm thinking mobo/psu....but if it is, lol, not worth the hassle i guess

 

[Kursah]

lol..all im saying is that you dont need 4ghz to run gtx260 optimized !

you run 1440x900 and show it differently....,I did my tests on my highest rez, what ppl might use+ 4xAA, 16xAF - puts gpu at strain...if gpu isn't at strain, occupied, ofcourse a high mhz cpu will feed it for more fps.....

I never said that a 4.0GHz CPU was needed to run a GTX260 optimized...I was saying in 3dm06 how my scores had increased and seemed to allow more oomph out of my lower res system. Eventually as I've said before, I'll replace this weeny monitor and get one that'll let me utilize the piss out of my GTX260, put that damn thing to work!

 

[Triton.se]

kurash...dont look at ALL at total points ! grr....whats interesting are HDR and SM2..HDR points counts for today's games

a 6MB 45nm was far better...

if you open the 3dm06 detailed page, you will see fps.....simple as that..fps remain the fucking same but add a quad and tot gain 5000p...fps same...

fps is still the same with 3.3ghz if you run it modern rez, AA , AF

 

[Kursah]

Yep, that mobo 4 pin plug appears in quite alot of boards now, I think it is intended as you have said to add to stability at high power draw to components on boards of 8 phases and higher......my old Gigabyte x38 DQ6 had one but these 790i ultras boards are so classy they dont use them

My older DFI P35 DK has one on a single PCI-e x16 board! + my board only has the damn 4-phase power...it does pretty good and OC'd my Q6600 quite well...we'll see if the 16-phases on my next P5Q deluxe are worth the hassle of me waiting for the damn thing to show up!

any of you guys seen this: oc mem of shader one notch higher, and it'll BSOD in 30secs?

i'm thinking mobo/psu....but if it is, lol, not worth the hassle i guess

OC "mem of shader" one notch higher? Higher than what? I've had some BSOD's from nv driver failures when pushing my GTX260 too far to see if I could get closer to tatty's results..but that was a few notches higher on gpu/shader lol! I'm not too worried as you said either, the card does so well at stock, playing with the OC's is just that right now, playing...no need for the extra performance it can bring to the table quite yet.

 

[Tatty_Two]

My older DFI P35 DK has one on a single PCI-e x16 board! + my board only has the damn 4-phase power...it does pretty good and OC'd my Q6600 quite well...we'll see if the 16-phases on my next P5Q deluxe are worth the hassle of me waiting for the damn thing to show up!



OC "mem of shader" one notch higher? Higher than what? I've had some BSOD's from nv driver failures when pushing my GTX260 too far to see if I could get closer to tatty's results..but that was a few notches higher on gpu/shader lol! I'm not too worried as you said either, the card does so well at stock, playing with the OC's is just that right now, playing...no need for the extra performance it can bring to the table quite yet.

If you get BSOD from the NV driver (nvsvc32.exe) when pushing too hard, especially when using a 3rd party tool for overclocking......go to "task Manager"......."processes" and shut it down, it does not always help but sometimes can give you that extra 5-10mhz that Nvidia dont want you to have!

 

[Kursah]

It wasn't nvsvc32.exe...I forget what it was, nvcpl something-or-another...doesn't worry me too much as I know I'm pushing too far and asking for it in the first place!

 

[Tatty_Two]

It wasn't nvsvc32.exe...I forget what it was, nvcpl something-or-another...doesn't worry me too much as I know I'm pushing too far and asking for it in the first place!

Yes but I think that NVcpl is a dll that is commanded by nvscv32.exe, it really does work occasionally!

 

[Kursah]

Well I might just give it a shot then...well not right now..I'm gonna hop into some CoD4 or something for a bit and get my game on. I've played enough with OC-ing this rig until the P5Q shows up I'm just gonna enjoy it!