H370M + i7-8700k + Win7 = no USB 3.0. Win7 is installed. Rejects correct drivers :(

[trumanhw]

Very frustrating the amount of work required for Win7 ... I guess it's a testament to just how bad Win10 is.

Anyway, I've succeeded in getting the OS installed and have access through TeamViewer - obviously have Network support ... what hasn't worked are the drivers people say works. In fact, for that matter ... I extracted the drivers for this system while running Win10 on it ... and [those!] drivers don't work.

What I'm desperate for are:

USB 3.0 + 3.1 extensible ... (which are rejected despite PCI Repository confirming they're correct).

Some display driver ... though, HD 630 (it's an 8700k) apparently 'can't work' on this system.
"This computer doesn't meet the minimum requirements for installing the software"


Someone somewhere said something about the INF file ...
maybe changing the names? But I'm not sure if that's accurate for this problem nor the steps involved.


Anyone want me to try something
Provide other info ?

I'd be grateful to do so and will do it ASAP.

For anyone who's frustrated I'm trying to do this:
I can't have a system install updates / reboot -- at random.
I don't have time to figure out why something that worked -- STOPPED working.
(OH! the firewall decides to turn back on.)
I LOATHE Win10

It is just the wrong OS for data recovery -- which is what I do with it.

Thank you in advance.


Gigabyte H370M
Integrated graphics ...
i7-8700
Win-7 Pro

 

[Flaky]

If you really want windows 7 and usb working on this platform, you go and get z370, b365 or h310c. Those are older 22nm chipsets, which accept usb3 driver for windows 7.
There are no drivers for newer chipsets, as windows 8 and 10 have integrated usb3 drivers.

You also don't get igpu drivers. Those are only for windows 10. Some time ago I read about some people hacking drivers to make them work in win7, but I don't think you want that.

Either deal with the fact that windows 10 is the only supported windows os, or switch to linux or something.
Or get an older platform ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[GreiverBlade]

did you at last test win 10 .... ?

because, i also "loathed" (wrongly, a bit like a kid that hate a brand because all the other childs swear by it and he's trying to be anticonformiste) win 8/10 and i was swearing by 7 only ... turns out win 8.1 with a few tweaks was good enough, none of the issues i thought i would have were real and then i upgraded for free to win 10 quite some time ago ....

basically nothing i saw testing Win 10 made it inferior or a different experience to win 7 (argumentum a contrario it was better...) even with the latest build i have 0 issues with whatever i do, everything work smoothly and stable as i want them to be (aside OC but that's Intel's fault ) and i came to get over the only last grief (justified that one ... but so idiotic that it would be stupid to not overcome it ) of the start menu, which in the end is not that bad and is quick and efficient to work with once it's set up as i like.

other than that @Flaky is totally right, want Win 7 absolutely : older platform, don't want to deal with win 10 : Linux.

 

[Vario]

Strange you cannot get USB 3 to install. I did not know that H370 doesn't install USB 3... For me, I was able to install Win 7 on the Z370 Taichi and Z370 Extreme 4 by using the PS-2 simulator to control the keyboard and mouse during the installation and then using the USB 3 drivers from the motherboard's chipset driver disk once Windows was installed. AsRock makes it very easy to do but only their mid to upper end Z370 boards had this feature, you can find it listed in the documentation manual under PS-2 Simulator. Before buying a board, check the manual on AsRock's site and Cntrl-F to see if they have the simulator. I believe this feature was removed on Z390. It is listed in the documentation for the Z370M-Pro 4, I mention this board because it is also microatx. If you can do full size ATX, I highly recommend the Z370 Extreme 4.

Another idea would be to run a PCIEx1 to USB 3.0 card and run all USB devices off the card. This card gives you 5 ports.

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Another option is to slipstream the USB 3 drivers onto the installation ISO and try to install. https://www.cybernetman.com/kb/article/how-to-slipstream-usb-3-0-drivers-into-windows-7-installation-media. I doubt this will work if Flaky is correct.

I am certain the Intel display adapter driver is not possible, the Intel HD Graphics for Coffee Lake will not support Win 7 because there is no driver so it runs at 1920x1080 default. You will need to get a cheap graphics card, I recommend GTX 750(ti),950, 1030, or 1050.

For me, Win 7 on Coffee Lake has been more stable and faster than any other install on any other build I have done. I say this not to brag but to say that it is possible to do with the right motherboard. I have a negative opinion of Gigabyte, and I would recommend trying an AsRock board. Anecdotally, I have seen more success stories with Windows 7 / Coffee Lake on AsRock than the other brands (Asus, Gigabyte, MSI)

Once Win 7 and USB 3 is installed, then you run Windows Update until it stops and then run WUFUC from github to fix the updater so it ignores the CPU compatibility message.

Once you get this system working, fully installed, and fully updated, If you are someone that likes to reformat often, I recommend creating an image of the successful working 7 onto a spare drive so you don't have to go through the hassle again.

 

[Voluman]

Gigabyte has usb3 driver for newer boards for win7 ( i cant remember exact models, but has) mostly for installing win from usb, so i gues it should work after install too.
Install wufuc, after try to get an older driver for igp (you can try it with drivereasy too)

 

[Vario]

Gigabyte has usb3 driver for newer boards for win7 ( i cant remember exact models, but has) mostly for installing win from usb, so i gues it should work after install too.
Install wufuc, after try to get an older driver for igp (you can try it with drivereasy too)

On the second system I built, i5-8400 and Z370 Extreme 4, I tried an older Intel IGP driver, and it would not work with Intel HD Graphics 630. I ended up buying a cheap 1050 and that solved the problem.

 

[Voluman]

On the second system I built, i5-8400 and Z370 Extreme 4, I tried an older Intel IGP driver, and it would not work with Intel HD Graphics 630. I ended up buying a cheap 1050 and that solved the problem.

Well, on 3xx series board i couldnt test it, but on b150 with a g3930, it works. Not with many drivers but only one, anyway my goal was achieved, so there is a chance it can work out someone else too.

 

[trumanhw]

did you at last test win 10 .... ?

because, i also "loathed" (wrongly, a bit like a kid that hate a brand because all the other childs swear by it and he's trying to be anticonformiste) win 8/10 and i was swearing by 7 only ... turns out win 8.1 with a few tweaks was good enough, none of the issues i thought i would have were real and then i upgraded for free to win 10 quite some time ago ....

basically nothing i saw testing Win 10 made it inferior or a different experience to win 7 (argumentum a contrario it was better...) even with the latest build i have 0 issues with whatever i do, everything work smoothly and stable as i want them to be (aside OC but that's Intel's fault ) and i came to get over the only last grief (justified that one ... but so idiotic that it would be stupid to not overcome it ) of the start menu, which in the end is not that bad and is quick and efficient to work with once it's set up as i like.

other than that @Flaky is totally right, want Win 7 absolutely : older platform, don't want to deal with win 10 : Linux.

Yes. And I HATE IT! Loathe.

I understand why MS thinks they needed to make it difficult for people to keep using that product.

By the time we figure out how to make their last OS tolerable, they're racing to make it impossible to use.
Win10 ..? A CONSUMER OS? HA! No way. Installing drivers is easier than dealing with the curveballs they throw.

I don't have time to work on cultivating expertise in another technical category.
I need to work THROUGH my computer. Not ON my computer.

 

[Arctucas]

I cannot find any Intel USB drivers for W7 on my eVGA Z390 Dark, but fortunately, it has AsMedia 3.0 and 3.1 ports, which do work.

 

[Vario]

Yes. And I HATE IT! Loathe.

I understand why MS thinks they needed to make it difficult for people to keep using that product.

By the time we figure out how to make their last OS tolerable, they're racing to make it impossible to use.
Win10 ..? A CONSUMER OS? HA! No way. Installing drivers is easier than dealing with the curveballs they throw.

I don't have time to work on cultivating expertise in another technical category.
I need to work THROUGH my computer. Not ON my computer.

The simplest solution might be that PCI-Ex1 to 5x USB 3.0 adapter card. If you are still within the return window on the Gigabyte H370M, you could return for an AsRock Z370, had no issues like I said all ports work great with the drivers that came on the AsRock install CD. Still probably need an external graphics card, a used low power card such as a 950 or 1050 would be nice.

 

[Flaky]

Motherboard vendor doesn't make any difference. The usb drivers are from intel anyway.

Windows 7 friendly chipsets - 22nm - H310C, B365, Z370
Windows 7 unfriendly - 14nm - H310, B360, H370, Z390

And by "friendly" I just mean that chipset's usb will be usable with drivers installed.
Windows 7 is not supported on this platform, thus you don't get iGPU drivers, and OS itself will refuse to update. For the last one Vario already mentioned a solution

 

[erocker]

Just use Windows 10 and set it up to work like 7. It pretty much does nowdays anyways. You'll get used to it.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Yes. And I HATE IT! Loathe.

I understand why MS thinks they needed to make it difficult for people to keep using that product.

By the time we figure out how to make their last OS tolerable, they're racing to make it impossible to use.
Win10 ..? A CONSUMER OS? HA! No way. Installing drivers is easier than dealing with the curveballs they throw.

I don't have time to work on cultivating expertise in another technical category.
I need to work THROUGH my computer. Not ON my computer.

Ok, everything's wrong in that reply.... I wonder why you have issues that many have not... User side issues are not the OS fault.... Right?


Win 10 is easier than 7 to me and many others, it is a consumer OS.


To work through your computer you need to work on your computer you make no sense....

Although I reckon the key tied to hardware is annoying I am only on my 6th dirty swap and I don't know if it will handle a seventh... Given it shouldn't even handle one

 

[trumanhw]

Ok, everything's wrong in that reply.... I wonder why you have issues that many have not... User side issues are not the OS fault.... Right?


Win 10 is easier than 7 to me and many others, it is a consumer OS.


To work through your computer you need to work on your computer you make no sense....

Although I reckon the key tied to hardware is annoying I am only on my 6th dirty swap and I don't know if it will handle a seventh... Given it shouldn't even handle one

I owned a computer repair store for a decade. I think I understand configuring a system; I'm talking about something that reverts from working to not working -- as the OS fights back when I disable things that interfere with the usage. I personally diagnosed and fixed about 7000 computers in the last 10 years and my business did about 15000. Including SMT repair, Data recovery, networking, etc.

It's astounding how idiotic some answers have been -- and how VERY effective other's suggestions were.

I have received the corrected drivers for Win 7 that fixed USB 3.0 and -- installed for the UHD 630 -- though there's still a little tinkering left to do.

When done, I'll make pre-injected unattended setup.

Maybe I just don't hear some light-heartedness in your writing that you intended to infuse; but text is pretty flat.

Anyway, for those of you who've tried to help, thanks.

 

[Vario]

I am interested in knowing what driver you found compatible with Win 7 for the Intel HD 630?

Also, I agree. It isn't helpful to solving the issue to have people offer spam posting of "just switch to Win 10". That doesn't answer @trumanhw's question.

 

[trparky]

Yet I use Windows 10 all the time as my primary OS and I don't have any issues. The only time that I get any Windows Updates is on the second Tuesday of the month. That's it! I don't see these so-called "disruptive updates" that @trumanhw and other users have indicated. This may have been an issue when Windows 10 was initially released but Microsoft caught a hell of a lot of flack for that so they've toned down how disruptive those updates are to a once-a-month schedule. As long as you don't go actively searching for Windows Updates, ie. pushing the Check for Updates button Windows 10 WILL NOT spontaneously reboot or do whatever the hell Windows 10 haters say it will do.

Quit listening to jackasses that post shit online just to hate on Microsoft. These are the same people who hate on the recent Marvel movies, Star Trek, and just about anything new coming out simply because they have nothing better to do other than spread pure FUD.

Now I'm not saying that Microsoft doesn't have their issues and I, myself, have hated on them on more than a couple of occasions but only because the complaints that I've had were legitimate issues to hate on Microsoft about. Microsoft has listened to a lot of its users and has dialed back big time on the updating. When Windows 10 was first released, sure... updates could come out of the blue but that's not the case anymore. Microsoft saw the angry crowd with the pitchforks and torches outside their Redmond corporate campus and have largely solved these issues to the point where unless you actively search for updates then Window 10 will stay online with no reboots until such time when the second Tuesday of the month comes about and a new cumulative update is pushed thus fixing security flaws that need to be fixed.

 

[juiseman]

Windows 7 is hands down faster and performs better for me. Windows 10 is hands down better for 95% of end users.
Its got some great features; but well...then...the whole update issues; just really made me mad. 2 times my rig updated and I had 2 wait 1hr before using it.
and both times I had issues with drivers and activations on 2 different systems. I really think Microsoft got the message about the forced updates.
When I finally go back to win 10 on all my rigs; I will get Win10 Enterprise Just as I went with Windows 7 Enterprise.

People who haven't had issues with Windows 10 think its great. And it must be a user error of some sort on the folks who have had serious issues. Doesn't make them a jackass.

That makes those people consider other OS choices that best fit their need.​

Microsoft has changed some of the update options in the last few years since all of the complaints. That tells me that they "admitted" that they made a mistake without "admitting" the mistake.

But, hey that's just my view and experience...I'm sure everyone's is different. I do use Win 10 on the other 5 computers in the house, its great for the wife and kids....

 

[The Egg]

I have an H370 board as well (by Asus). H370 is actually newer than the Z390, and aside from being mildly less expensive (and also not being able to OC), the headline feature of H370 is having USB 3.1 Gen 2 natively baked into the chipset. Being released almost 10 years after Windows 7, that's not something the OS is going to have any sort of generic driver to account for. It's also doubtful that Intel bothered to make a Windows 7 driver themselves.

Your best bet might be to disable it in the BIOS (if possible).

 

[trparky]

Its got some great features; but well...then...the whole update issues; just really made me mad. 2 times my rig updated and I had 2 wait 1hr before using it.

This is what I don't get about people who complain about Windows 10. What you are complaining about doesn't happen in real life. These kinds of updates should be a once-a-month on the second Tuesday of the month kind of thing. That's it! You get one update per month! ONE UPDATE!!! Oh my God, one update per month can ruin your whole day. Really people? Seriously.

Unless you go ahead and manually check for updates in Settings, you will only get one batch of updates per month. No more, no less. Unless of course, a massive zero-day vulnerability was found and it needs to be patched like... yesterday, then yes... you're going to get another update that month. But 99% of the time you get only one update per month. Wow.

Oh, and there's a specific setting in Windows Update where you can set your active times, ie. the time when you actively use your computer. I have mine set between the hours of 7 AM and 12 AM. What does this do? It sets it up so that Windows will not reboot and apply an update during that time interval. So unless of course you manually tell the system to reboot, your system will not reboot and apply an update.

And if you're wondering, yes... Windows 10 will tell you that it will be applying an update during the next reboot so that you know so before you go ahead and press the manual reboot button.

Again... wow. These complaints are from people who refuse to learn the new system! If you actually did some research and looked into things instead of you know, complaining... you wouldn't have these issues! Oh but it's easier to complain and not learn new things. I forgot.

And as for knowing how computers work for fifteen years, yes... I do as well know how computers work and have known for fifteen years. But you know what? Things change. Technology moves on. If you're not willing to learn new stuff, the technology world ain't for you. You either adapt and change or the world passes you by. And this isn't just in the technology world, the whole world changes and if you don't keep up... well, you get the idea.

I can't help but think of the people complaining about this stuff is like that old man sitting on his front porch yelling at the kids to stay off his lawn meanwhile he's still got a black-and-white TV in his living room.

 

[Arctucas]

<SNIP>

I have received the corrected drivers for Win 7 that fixed USB 3.0 and -- installed for the UHD 630 -- though there's still a little tinkering left to do.

<SNIP>

Intel USB 3.0 driver?

Works on Z390 or not?

 

[Vario]

Intel USB 3.0 driver?

Works on Z390 or not?

Would be nice to know which drivers he got working so that any future people can easily find the drivers they need, but maybe the Windows 10 people scared him off.

 

[juiseman]

This is what I don't get about people who complain about Windows 10. What you are complaining about doesn't happen in real life. These kinds of updates should be a once-a-month on the second Tuesday of the month kind of thing. That's it! You get one update per month! ONE UPDATE!!! Oh my God, one update per month can ruin your whole day. Really people? Seriously.

Unless you go ahead and manually check for updates in Settings, you will only get one batch of updates per month. No more, no less. Unless of course, a massive zero-day vulnerability was found and it needs to be patched like... yesterday, then yes... you're going to get another update that month. But 99% of the time you get only one update per month. Wow.

Oh, and there's a specific setting in Windows Update where you can set your active times, ie. the time when you actively use your computer. I have mine set between the hours of 7 AM and 12 AM. What does this do? It sets it up so that Windows will not reboot and apply an update during that time interval. So unless of course you manually tell the system to reboot, your system will not reboot and apply an update.

And if you're wondering, yes... Windows 10 will tell you that it will be applying an update during the next reboot so that you know so before you go ahead and press the manual reboot button.

Again... wow. These complaints are from people who refuse to learn the new system! If you actually did some research and looked into things instead of you know, complaining... you wouldn't have these issues! Oh but it's easier to complain and not learn new things. I forgot.

And as for knowing how computers work for fifteen years, yes... I do as well know how computers work and have known for fifteen years. But you know what? Things change. Technology moves on. If you're not willing to learn new stuff, the technology world ain't for you. You either adapt and change or the world passes you by. And this isn't just in the technology world, the whole world changes and if you don't keep up... well, you get the idea.

I can't help but think of the people complaining about this stuff is like that old man sitting on his front porch yelling at the kids to stay off his lawn meanwhile he's still got a black-and-white TV in his living room.

Well, I'm glad you know how computers work; that's really good. Pat yourself on the back. But good luck with the rest of your life calling people jackasses when
something doesn't work out good for them. If you see a person on the side of the road with a flat tire; are they also a jackass because of the nail in the road? Or the fact
that their tire was not manufactured to spec and failed early? Their are many people who have had issues with some of the feature updates that were not implemented
correctly and automatically installed without their consent. That was not their mistake; that was Microsoft's mistake.

Also, I was referring to the Feature Updates that happen 2 times a year (1507, 1511, 1607, 1703, 1709, 1803, 1809 1903) Not patch Tuesday bud.
These are essentially a new operating system in a way with many core changes happening. That's why a lot of people (who you stated are "jackasses") were having issues.
But, I'm sure you already knew this; because of your 15 year "end user" computer expertise. But here is a link in case it slipped your sharp mind:

Windows 10 - release information - Windows Release Information

Learn release information for Windows 10 releases

docs.microsoft.com

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Like I said; I like and use Windows 10 everyday. I was a day 1 adopter and took advantage of the free upgrade on all my rigs. I just don't trust it for my rig which I NEED to work on my schedule.

 

[trparky]

And like I said, I (and users like me) have called Microsoft out on these issues in the past as well and Microsoft has listened. There's a reason why there's going to be no big feature update later this year, Microsoft has heard our cries and slowed down on those big updates to a once-a-year kind of thing. If you had done any reading or research you'd know this, I've been reading quite a bit about what Microsoft has done.

As for those feature updates, you can defer them by going to Settings -> Update & Security -> Windows Update -> Advanced Options, and then under "Choose when updates are installed" you can defer these kinds of big updates for as long as you want.

As for those jackasses that I mention posting about all of those kinds of issues you think Windows 10 has, it's commonly known that the small minority of users who have issues tend to be the loudest when complaining. So in other words, the number of people who have issues are really really small however they complain far more than the people who don't have issues. My theory, of course, and I could be wrong, is that if there really were that many people having issues as you, @juiseman yourself have said, don't you think that there would literally be far more coverage about issues with Windows 10? And I mean, far... far... far more coverage! You'd be seeing it on the front page of every damn technology web site you can possibly think of from morning to night. You wouldn't be able to escape the coverage of the issues since every day it would be right there on the front page. Microsoft would be the topic from morning to night, every day of the week.

But we don't see this, do we? Oh, I'm not saying that there aren't issues because there have been issues. However, it's not nearly as widespread as so many people in the community like to think. Hating on Microsoft has always been a favorite sport of people on the Internet, people hate on them just to hate on them. To use a quote... "Haters are going to hate". It's always been this way since the Internet became popular, haters and trolls everywhere spreading nothing more than FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt).

Like I said before, Microsoft has listened to us users and again that's why they've slowed down on the big updates to a once-a-year kind of thing. One big update in April/May and a fit-and-finish update that's more like your standard cumulative update in August/September.

Besides, I've been using Windows 10 since the very beginning so I've learned to tame Windows 10 if and when I need to. And believe you me, Windows 10 when it first came out was indeed a complete and utter dumpster fire. When I first loaded it four years ago, even I had to say that there was no way Microsoft thought that this would be acceptable to the users and yes, people complained and rightfully so. So when compared to what Windows 10 was four years ago with the original July 2015 release (version 10240) to what Windows 10 is today, Windows 10 is lightyears ahead of what it was before. It's come a long way and it's gotten a whole lot better.

Does Microsoft have more work to do? Oh yes, I'm not going to sit here and deny it! No, Microsoft has a lot more work to make Windows 10 more stable; I'm not going to deny it. However, it's not nearly the absolute dumpster fire that so many people would like to make Windows 10 out to be because it's not. It's a whole lot better than it once was and Microsoft has indeed listened to the community.

As I said before, haters are going to hate. They just love to hate on them simply to hate on them. No reason needed, they just hate.

 

[juiseman]

Apology accepted; all good fact's. I agree with 90% of that. All of the sudden we seem to be in tandem.

Carry on with your Friday.

 

[Arctucas]

I thought this thread was about W7 and USB3 drivers?