Hardware Elitism - a tech scourge that needs to die.

[rtwjunkie]

I get the feeling that I am not liked on this forum. It seems like every time I say something I get ripped apart. But I do what I do and I believe in my tech as everything I have done has worked for me to date.

You just keep being you. People will always have differences of opinion. You’re here because you like tech just as much as everyone here.

 

[Samiam66]

Well placed words of wisdom ...Being Humble is not a personality trait that you see
being used often here. There should be a section on this every new member must read before
being able to post replys....

Sam

 

[Devon68]

I get the feeling that I am not liked on this forum. It seems like every time I say something I get ripped apart. But I do what I do and I believe in my tech as everything I have done has worked for me to date.

I get the opposite. Most of the members have been helpful and understanding when I had problems. There were some that did not agree, but that is to be expected. We live different lives and some can play with cooler toys than others but we all came here for one reason. And that is We love Tech (that should be on a T-shirt)

 

[freeagent]

I get the feeling that I am not liked on this forum. It seems like every time I say something I get ripped apart. But I do what I do and I believe in my tech as everything I have done has worked for me to date.

No no.. its just when you came to a forum filled with people who build computers in their sleep and say its a waste of time without shedding any backstory then you might upset a few people.. Not this guy though. I was going to finance a Dell last year and stick it in my Meshify..

Pretty glad I didn't!

Edit:

I just thought now had I did go through with it and I posted in the picture thread I would have been just a piece of meat

 

[Shrek]

I get the feeling that I am not liked on this forum. It seems like every time I say something I get ripped apart. But I do what I do and I believe in my tech as everything I have done has worked for me to date.

I feel the same way, as do many I suspect; things here can be quite caustic, but that beats us all agreeing to a version of reality that does not exist. Anyhow, I'm not at all sure that our purpose in life is to be liked.

Did you see trog100's signature?
"Ignore the truth.. follow the herd.. you will make more friends that way and life will be easier.."

Don't go out of your way not to be liked, but if that happens don't let it make you follow the crowd.

 

[dirtyferret]

Just my two cents about some very disturbing recent trends

I appreciate the post but the trend is hardly new even for this web site. Many of the current members and I have discussed this very issue. If the community grows it will get more toxic - see toms hardware forum as the prime example from even a decade ago.

 

[Shrek]

Jonny Guru was a site that lacked toxicity, but it seems to have died.

 

[dgianstefani]

I think it's important to not confuse elitism with being objectively right.

I appreciate and agree with the op statement, mostly, but it's also true that enthusiasts will often have very solid advice, based on experience, to pass onto newbies, which can be interpreted as elitism.

Don't skimp on psu in your first build. Elitism? No. And you actually save money by not needing to buy a new psu every few years.

Telling someone to change their build, spending more money on actual performance and less on things like fancy cpu aios with pretty rgb fans that perform the same or worse than high end air that's cheaper and more reliable isn't elitism, its just common sense.

Telling someone to either get a proper maintainable and actually better performing custom loop or just stick with air, instead of wasting money on an aio isn't elitism, it's backed by logic.

In the end we're all just monkeys who like to believe we're always right, and manufacturers and marketing dept. know that. However there are some monkeys that have more experience banging rocks together than others, and dismissing constructive criticism as elitism in a let's give everyone participation awards manner can be counter productive.

 

[8BitZ80]

I don't really see any hardware elitism, unless I'm just blind to it.

Unless we're talking about the hard feedback that normally happens when someone posts a build list asking for advice. E.g. if they have specced a non-branded "400W" power supply to run a Ryzen 3600 and 1660Ti with, there will be comments about how garbage the power supply is and to get a real one. That kind of advice is difficult to accept but it's not unwarranted and it's definitely not elitism. I certainly don't like telling people that they need to spend MORE money on their rig.

 

[chrcoluk]

100% Agree, its in consoles now as well, there is a band of people on gamefaqs mocking people who chose to buy a Series S instead of a Series X.

 

[trog100]

as hardware prices get higher there will be more and more people who will have to settle for less..

the divide between those who have to settle for less and those that dont is gonna get greater..

a warning is apt.. but it does work both ways..

trog

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

Im curious is it elites to say
Post how do i get x game running on x low end card
Reply its not possible just buy x other gpu

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

@the54thvoid I agree with everything you say​

How ever I don't feel like Techpowerup is an "PC enthusiast community" anymore there is too much emphasis on what games people are playing and it's turning more turn at "pc gaming" not "Pc enthusiast"
I always took the "PC master race" thing as sarcasm, many people take it too seriously. Consoles still have a propose, not everyone can afford a PC.

The elitisms is stuff like the craping people wanting to try things out too.

Im curious is it elites to say
Post how do i get x game running on x low end card
Reply its not possible just buy x other gpu

^ see stuff like this too.
The best example I can give you mention the word mGPU for DX12 to anyone on here it's instant, NO DON'T DO IT's BAD NO GAMES SUPPORT IT!.
enthusiast is defined by "a person who is highly interested in a particular activity or subject". I'm pretty sure Rise of the tomb raider supports mGPU and has at least raytracing for contact shadows to test with mGPU. It's in most of the reviews, yet to just skipped over. it would be great to talk about right now. Especially now with the talk about NVidia Driver over head vs AMD and DX11 vs DX12.

I just seems like Techpowerup isn't staying true to self and is chasing the people instead of making it's own path now.

 

[evernessince]

And yea ppl who answer with the laughing emote in the tech purchase topic don't even worth my time, shows their maturity alright. 'seen this done by supposedly older users than me'

I feel like the laughing emote under the like options is used 95% of the time to troll without having to post anything of substance and the remaining 5% for actually indicating that a post is funny.

i feel this would be a great post from a member, but not so great from staff, as it presents an arbitrary 'watch out or ill get ya' message.

maybe we have differing definitions of the word 'scourge' , i dunno, im not one for pushing my beliefs on others

I don't think it's arbitrary. Putting people down for their hardware choices isn't constructive in any way shape or form. This isn't a mod making up new rules out of the blue, they are simply informing people that they intend to enforce a specific kind of infraction more rigorously.

 

[Caring1]

I don't really see any hardware elitism, unless I'm just blind to it.

Guy posts he's bought a Dell A.I.O. and he's happy, followed by a bunch of posts saying he could have built better for less or whinging that they aren't easy to upgrade.
FFS people let him be happy and recognise that's all HE needs.

 

[rtwjunkie]

How ever I don't feel like Techpowerup is an "PC enthusiast community" anymore there is too much emphasis on what games people are playing and it's turning more turn at "pc gaming" not "Pc enthusiast"

What are you talking about? What Are You Playing Now is one thread in the games subforum. If anything, I see fewer game-related posts here of any kind than when I started over a decade ago.

 

[n-ster]

Idk about now, but back when I was active, it was bang for your buck that I and everyone else tried to jam down people's throat Any kind of brand loyalty was so harshly criticized, I think there was also a lack of letting people make decisions that don't make sense to you.

Overclocking an i7 920 D0 stepping bought from MicroCenter brought me so much joy, assembling a basic Athlon x4 system in an antec 300 for a business and surprising friends and family with how reliable assembled PC's by somebody who knows what he's doing versus prebuilt... Back then the price delta was huge and prebuilts were mostly shit xD

Anyways, inform but don't flame. Ignore people who insist they are right and ignoring all good advice. Accept that someone has the right to pair a 5950x with a GTX 1060 even though it's for gaming. If you hate a brand we don't want to know etc etc. It's not that hard is it?

 

[bobbybluz]

Many years ago I could afford to buy literally anything I wanted. Then health issues arose and put a swift end to that. Next came being able to spend other peoples money and after several years that also came to an end when I retired. Now I'm on a fixed income and I get my kicks keeping my older PC stuff running as well as possible hustling on Craigslist and Ebay. COVID put the brakes on my small side repair income and the more time passes the less I miss it.

I couldn't care less what the latest and greatest hardware is because either I can't afford it, don't really need it or know I'll be able to get it far cheaper a few years from now when it's stuff people are dumping literally for pennies on the dollar. I'm more impressed with things people build themselves and manage to keep running as opposed to those with more $$$ than hands-on skills. The Xeon forum here on TPU is far better than playing video games to me and it's the perfect example of hardcore enthusiasts getting the most from things the average PC user doesn't even know exist plus being able to play with CPU's that at one time were insanely expensive for next to nothing compared to new hardware prices today. I'm not a gamer, the PC itself is the real fun game to me.

 

[r9]

Personally I get a kick from making the most of a budget. What's so exciting about spending $4k ?!, you get a machine that maxes everything ... well ... daah. One don't have to game at ultra detail 4k 144hz to enjoy a game. And I can tell you this a lot of those elitist that try to shame others still live in their parents basement driving their parents 300k miles Civic.

 

[dirtyferret]

Jonny Guru was a site that lacked toxicity, but it seems to have died.

Was also a niche site with a very small community. Toxic people were quickly corrected.

 

[R-T-B]

Lol I hope he has no intention in the future of making sure he says "what hat he is wearing" when posting a topic. You take this staff shit way too seriously.

I probably did too... which is probably why wizzard cooked up the odd analogy for my tiny frog brain. Besides, I like hats.

/joke, won't press this further. In seriousness the whole seperation of powers thing may've been more relevant to news writers.

 

[moproblems99]

It's a disgrace. A dispicable representation of the worst of ourselves.

Psssssshhhhh. Peasant.

 

[Atomic77]

In my humble opinion as a target of attack in these here forums feel that more monitoring needs to be done. I also agree that this elitism if it can even be called that needs to go.

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

I dispise pc elitest
thats why i dislike r/pcmr
i like the occastianly joke about pc is better then console
but i hate the thing that their is no reason for console

 

[moproblems99]

Also, you spelled it wrong. It is e133715m