haswell i5 better then lynnfield i7?

[eidairaman1]

Greiver id go haswell e before haswell or ivb-e

 

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

I have a Haswell 4770k.......I don't know what to think of it. I went from an FX-8120 OC'd to 4.7GHz to the 4770k at stock speeds. Sometimes it is seemingly faster and other times...good God I could type a 3 page paper faster than this(mainly in multi-threaded applications). I usually recommend the A10 or A8 series of Kaveri Chips to new builders if they want to save money as well as play PC games. If they only have so much, I tell them to stick with the decent IGP until they can afford to add a discrete GPU. Overall, Kaveri gets my vote unless of course you need quicksynch (wtf is that anyway?)

 

[Vario]

I have a Haswell 4770k.......I don't know what to think of it. I went from an FX-8120 OC'd to 4.7GHz to the 4770k at stock speeds. Sometimes it is seemingly faster and other times...good God I could type a 3 page paper faster than this(mainly in multi-threaded applications). I usually recommend the A10 or A8 series of Kaveri Chips to new builders if they want to save money as well as play PC games. If they only have so much, I tell them to stick with the decent IGP until they can afford to add a discrete GPU. Overall, Kaveri gets my vote unless of course you need quicksynch (wtf is that anyway?)

I believe Quicksync is an Intel feature that makes videos compile faster. If you don't do video editing that feature makes no difference.

yes but Haswell IGP take more place oh wait ... ahhh nevermind so not a die shrink just a better IGP and more heat that clarify all about why many persons recommended me to go IB instead of Haswell

Yeah the processing component isn't that much better with Haswell over Ivy compared to other ticks, but the IGP is a ton better. Ivy tends to overclock better and the VRM is on the motherboard so you have a cooler chip.

Haswell is a bit faster at the same clocks as Ivy and it can run much faster ram.

 

[TheHunter]

Check this i7 4770R with Iris Pro 5200 and edram 128mb, not bad..
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/67021-intel-core-i7-4770r-22nm-haswell/?page=8

 

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

Check this i7 4770R with Iris Pro 5200 and edram 128mb, not bad..
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/67021-intel-core-i7-4770r-22nm-haswell/?page=8

save some cash by going with a 7850k kaveri and slapping in a midrange GPU. The Iris Pro is overpriced.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

The biggest improvement IMO with Haswell vs Lynnfield is the IMC and cache changes. Which is where a lot of performance improvement probably comes from, since memory latency and bandwidth is better.

save some cash by going with a 7850k kaveri and slapping in a midrange GPU. The Iris Pro is overpriced.

You get a 7850k and put a "midrange" GPU in as well is going to be quite a bit more expensive then a 4770R

 

[overclocking101]

thanks guys alot of these arguments got me thinking I may just upgrade after all

 

[MxPhenom 216]

thanks guys alot of these arguments got me thinking I may just upgrade after all

I definitely would, be a nice upgrade. 4670k right?

 

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

define midrange gpu phenom. I meant something that can crossfire with the 7850k like a 250 or 260. Or a GTX 750 for ~$119. I have only been able to find the i7 4770R for around $500. So, I don't know where you source your parts but a 7850k plus even a 750 or 750ti are less than just the 4770r. And will mud stomp it in GPU power. Not to mention that review about the 4770R states at the end that the 4770R is not available to buy.

 

[xenocide]

I have a Haswell 4770k.......I don't know what to think of it. I went from an FX-8120 OC'd to 4.7GHz to the 4770k at stock speeds. Sometimes it is seemingly faster and other times...good God I could type a 3 page paper faster than this(mainly in multi-threaded applications). I usually recommend the A10 or A8 series of Kaveri Chips to new builders if they want to save money as well as play PC games. If they only have so much, I tell them to stick with the decent IGP until they can afford to add a discrete GPU. Overall, Kaveri gets my vote unless of course you need quicksynch (wtf is that anyway?)

In almost all multithreaded apps the 4770K would still beat an FX-8120. There is no reason to really get an APU unless you're using it for light use and taking advantage of the iGPU, otherwise you're just getting a mediocre quad-core, and if you wanted that you could get the Athlon-variant on FM2 or an i3.

 

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

In almost all multithreaded apps the 4770K would still beat an FX-8120. There is no reason to really get an APU unless you're using it for light use and taking advantage of the iGPU, otherwise you're just getting a mediocre quad-core, and if you wanted that you could get the Athlon-variant on FM2 or an i3.

True, but My 8120 seemed to be more responsive when I was pushing say a game server plus a game and web browser with music. Even now, my PC seems to lag alot when running just TS3. Really weird. Never had that issue with AMD.

On the other hand, Phenom brought up the 4770R as the CPU to get. Since A: you can't theoretically buy it except at rare occasions and is incredibly expensive. And B: The price to iGPU performance is not cost effective or logical, the APU Kaveri is the better choice. And since the APUs are getting stonger, why not? Save some cash now, and upgrade other things later. Also, more modern games tend to be less CPU locked.

 

[erocker]

other times...good God I could type a 3 page paper faster than this(mainly in multi-threaded applications).

Such as? I only have a 3770K and have no issues with multi-threaded apps. Perhaps you have some sort of issue going on?

 

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

Such as? I only have a 3770K and have no issues with multi-threaded apps. Perhaps you have some sort of issue going on?

I thought of that. I looked at my Process manager in Win7 and TS3 did not seem to be that bad aside from using alot of RAM. The audio from time to time will get really distorted and the PC will seem to freeze until you shut down TS3.
Never seemed to have that issue on AMD. Wonder what is going on.

 

[erocker]

I thought of that. I looked at my Process manager in Win7 and TS3 did not seem to be that bad aside from using alot of RAM. The audio from time to time will get really distorted and the PC will seem to freeze until you shut down TS3.
Never seemed to have that issue on AMD. Wonder what is going on.

Don't know really, but I do know it has nothing to do with having an Intel processor.

 

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

well, I just observed that I had not encountered this situation until about 6 months into owning an Intel. Otherwise, I enjoy my Intel.

 

[GreiverBlade]

in fact it all depend of the uses...

exemple:
my Fm2+ setup feel as comfortable as was my 1155 setup... now... i hear "say what? a Athlon X4 760K + R9 270 giving the same feeling as a Xeon E3-1275V2 + GTX770? wtf is that nonsense?" well ... as long a a framerate is playable (aka: above 30fps) there is no problems... and if even Crysis 3 or Metro: Last Light can run on a average 40fps with minor tweak and compromise, then for me it feels the same. ofc if i wanted to activate all the eyecandy of a game i would stay on intel or get a stronger cpu/gpu but even a skyrim modded with HD text and hi polycount mod rarely drop under 32fps.
funny part : even my 460 HAWK 1gb @ 950/1050 is enough to play Firefall all maxed @ 45-54fps (on 1080p obviously) more economy ... resell the R9 270 as its new and wait the next gen? ... that's an idea ...

for online game that's something else but none of the one i play require a beast of war (IE: FFXIVARR, Firefall) and i rarely play RTS

so upgrade is case to case specific + budget... hell as i always say : for less than the price (new) of my previous cpu i got a Mobo/cpu/gpu and for the use i have of it : all the same.

 

[Aquinus]

Your should ask yourself: Does your PC do everything you need it to and are you satisfied with it?

If your answer is yes, I would let it be. Otherwise lets hear more about what you're not satisfied with.

I still haven't seen my question answered which keeps me skeptical as to why you want to upgrade in the first place. What about your current tower are you not happy with?

 

[MxPhenom 216]

True, but My 8120 seemed to be more responsive when I was pushing say a game server plus a game and web browser with music. Even now, my PC seems to lag alot when running just TS3. Really weird. Never had that issue with AMD.

On the other hand, Phenom brought up the 4770R as the CPU to get. Since A: you can't theoretically buy it except at rare occasions and is incredibly expensive. And B: The price to iGPU performance is not cost effective or logical, the APU Kaveri is the better choice. And since the APUs are getting stonger, why not? Save some cash now, and upgrade other things later. Also, more modern games tend to be less CPU locked.

No, I never said 4770R was the chip to get. Im not sure how that even came about since the OP is more concerned with a Haswell i5 chip than i7

Also I am not sure why you think the 4770R is so expensive. It is not much more expensive then 4770k and 4770S, if Intels Recommend Customer Price(RCP) is anything to go buy. Only place ive seen the 4770r up in the $500 because is in a full tiny form factory PC.

http://ark.intel.com/products/76642/Intel-Core-i7-4770R-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz

 

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

No, I never said 4770R was the chip to get. Im not sure how that even came about since the OP is more concerned with a Haswell i5 chip than i7

Also I am not sure why you think the 4770R is so expensive. It is not much more expensive then 4770k and 4770S, if Intels Recommend Customer Price(RCP) is anything to go buy. Only place ive seen the 4770r up in the $500 because is in a full tiny form factory PC.

http://ark.intel.com/products/76642/Intel-Core-i7-4770R-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz

You get a 7850k and put a "midrange" GPU in as well is going to be quite a bit more expensive then a 4770R

This translates into, the 4770R is better than the 7850K plus midrange aka 750/750ti/250/260/265 GPU.
The MSRP on Intel is about as useful as AMD's MSRP on the 290X.

Also, the 4770R appears to be coming out as a BGA to start with. Also, lets look at prices for APU plus Midrange GPU vs 4770R.

On Newegg, the EVGA GTX 750TI 2GB model plus the AMD A10 7700K Kaveri go for: $319.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487025

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113360


Or, the Gigabyte 260X 2GB card plus the 7700K go for $309 on Newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125486

You could even go with the A10 7850K and still come in under the I7-4770R price.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

This translates into, the 4770R is better than the 7850K plus midrange aka 750/750ti/250/260/265 GPU.
The MSRP on Intel is about as useful as AMD's MSRP on the 290X.

Also, the 4770R appears to be coming out as a BGA to start with. Also, lets look at prices for APU plus Midrange GPU vs 4770R.

On Newegg, the EVGA GTX 750TI 2GB model plus the AMD A10 7700K Kaveri go for: $319.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487025

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113360


Or, the Gigabyte 260X 2GB card plus the 7700K go for $309 on Newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125486

You could even go with the A10 7850K and still come in under the I7-4770R price.

I think you need to change the way you interpret things, because me saying that a 7850k and a mid range GPU being more expensive with a 4770R does not mean that I say the 4770R is better(but in what way? Price wise, or performance and what kind of performance CPU or GPU?). Sure you just proved me wrong that a 7700k with a mid range GPU is cheaper then a 4770R and likely overall performance will be better(Mind you if you need CPU performance more then GPU, the 4770R is the better option) but I have found going with a 7850k with a 750Ti or 260x, or if you want to stretch to a 270x that it comes out right around the same price as the 4770R if not more..

If you need an overall better gaming set up, then sure go with the AMD APU route, but if you do things that needs more CPU performance (video editing, encoding, other multi threaded Apps) 4770R would be the way to go.

But really it doesn't matter because the OP is not concerned with APUs or Haswell i7 chips, so Im not sure why we are debating these products.

 

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

good point

 

[TheHunter]

On the other hand, Phenom brought up the 4770R as the CPU to get. Since A: you can't theoretically buy it except at rare occasions and is incredibly expensive. And B: The price to iGPU performance is not cost effective or logical, the APU Kaveri is the better choice. And since the APUs are getting stonger, why not? Save some cash now, and upgrade other things later. Also, more modern games tend to be less CPU locked.

lol.. nvm 4770r, I was just saying intel can have a "strong" igpu as well, core performance will win 2x compared to any AMD apu offering atm.


ps that Iris pro 5200 will be in new Haswell refresh Desktop variant.

 

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

lol.. nvm 4770r, I was just saying intel can have a "strong" igpu as well, core performance will win 2x compared to any AMD apu offering atm.


ps that Iris pro 5200 will be in new Haswell refresh Desktop variant.

ps. That Iris Pro 5200 is nice but Kaveri still packs more of a punch for the money. When Intel releases a desktop haswell with Iris Pro in the same price bracket as a Kaveri.......then you will see me recommend an Iris Pro over a Kaveri for an IGP build.