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A few weeks ago I purchased the MSI Gaming 3080 12GB GAMING Z TRIO LHR from Newegg.


I finally built my PC, installed Windows, etc and finally got around to testing / tweaking the GPU in MSI afterburner.
I ran Heaven 4.0 Benchmark maxed out at 4K to gauge the card's thermal and sound performance and I was absolutely shocked by the terrible results ... it jumps from mid 40s C idle to 83C in about 30 seconds with the fans spinning at 100% ... super loud. It downclocks at that point. Using GPU-Z, the memory temps are actually decent ... low 80s C but the GPU core runs hot and the hot spot temp is 15 C higher than the die itself.

I first checked all the screws on the card ... maybe some were not screwed in tightly from the factory. Nope. All were screwed in tightly.
I then took the cooler off to check the thermal paste for the GPU. Maybe the factory misapplied the paste. Nope. Plenty of thermal paste covering the GPU die and cooler heat pipes.
maybe 1 of the fans wasn't working? Nope. All 3 fans spin properly.
All thermal pads are making correct contact with the card's components. There are indentations on all of them.

I had Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut laying around so I cleaned the factory paste and applied that paste instead. Instantly the idle temperature dropped about 8 degress and it takes 10-15 MORE more seconds to reach 83C now. All clocks, power limits, etc are stock.

If I undervolt to 0.825mv on the GPU core, I have a very stable 1800MHz core that the temps never go above low 70s C and the card's much quieter ... but I do loose about 5% performance vs stock (Heaven 4.0 Benchmark at least).

Reviews say this card is whisper quiet so I'm lost here. Are they just fake reviews or oblivious? Or is my cooler somehow defective? Or maybe the 3080 12G and 3080 TI cards just run hot and are loud and no one really cares?
Please provide your input.

I do have a 3070ti ASUS TUF card. While that card is also loud at stock, I can quiet it down quite a bit by limiting the GPU core to 0.95mv at high 19XX MHz. Maybe 1-2% max loss in performance vs stock.
At 8.75v the card isn't really even audible over the room noise when gaming from the couch running at full GPU utilization.
I have a basic understanding on how to undervolt and tweak these cards.
 
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Performance and silence only work with water cooling
 
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You can't have a high boost with lower fan speeds.

Higher boost means higher fan rpm, which is obvious.

You may have a high ambient temp to begin with.

Usually the MSI gaming x/z trio GPU's have one of the lower temps and lower fan noise then other brands.
 
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Thank you for all stating obvious things ... but I need feedback from people with these cards in particular.
 
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A few weeks ago I purchased the MSI Gaming 3080 12GB GAMING Z TRIO LHR from Newegg.


I finally built my PC, installed Windows, etc and finally got around to testing / tweaking the GPU in MSI afterburner.
I ran Heaven 4.0 Benchmark maxed out at 4K to gauge the card's thermal and sound performance and I was absolutely shocked by the terrible results ... it jumps from mid 40s C idle to 83C in about 30 seconds with the fans spinning at 100% ... super loud. It downclocks at that point. Using GPU-Z, the memory temps are actually decent ... low 80s C but the GPU core runs hot and the hot spot temp is 15 C higher than the die itself.

I first checked all the screws on the card ... maybe some were not screwed in tightly from the factory. Nope. All were screwed in tightly.
I then took the cooler off to check the thermal paste for the GPU. Maybe the factory misapplied the paste. Nope. Plenty of thermal paste covering the GPU die and cooler heat pipes.
maybe 1 of the fans wasn't working? Nope. All 3 fans spin properly.
All thermal pads are making correct contact with the card's components. There are indentations on all of them.

I had Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut laying around so I cleaned the factory paste and applied that paste instead. Instantly the idle temperature dropped about 8 degress and it takes 10-15 MORE more seconds to reach 83C now. All clocks, power limits, etc are stock.

If I undervolt to 0.825mv on the GPU core, I have a very stable 1800MHz core that the temps never go above low 70s C and the card's much quieter ... but I do loose about 5% performance vs stock (Heaven 4.0 Benchmark at least).

Reviews say this card is whisper quiet so I'm lost here. Are they just fake reviews or oblivious? Or is my cooler somehow defective? Or maybe the 3080 12G and 3080 TI cards just run hot and are loud and no one really cares?
Please provide your input.

I do have a 3070ti ASUS TUF card. While that card is also loud at stock, I can quiet it down quite a bit by limiting the GPU core to 0.95mv at high 19XX MHz. Maybe 1-2% max loss in performance vs stock.
At 8.75v the card isn't really even audible over the room noise when gaming from the couch running at full GPU utilization.
I have a basic understanding on how to undervolt and tweak these cards.
First of all, the 15c difference between GPU die and hotspot is fine, it should be between 13 and 18, so 15 is just where it should be. The best I got after multiple repastes and pad swapping was 10c, I don't think you can get any lower.

Now about the card hitting 83c, I assume your ambient temperature is around 25-30c and your case has pretty mediocre airflow. So the temps seem kinda normal to me to be fair. Repasting may have helped, but the fact that you still reach 83 means that your case airflow is kinda inadequate.

Performance and silence only work with water cooling
Not true, deshrouded my 3090 with 2 af12x25's and it's pretty quiet at full throttle. Temps aren't comparable to watercooling ofcourse, but I can keep it around 70-72c with 28c ambient, so im pretty happy
 
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Is there anything in MSI Center that might help? That GPU doesn't have a BIOS switch right? Does the Zero RPM mode work when idle? Could just be bad auto voltage
 
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The ambient room temperature in my basement is 72F (22.2 C).

Like I said in my initial post, I'm using MSI afterburner to monitor temperatures, voltages, etc and even at 0.95mv max undervolt (which is a minor undervolt), the temp still shoots up to 83C in under a minute with 100% fan speed, so I'm managing the voltage manually.

I don't see any BIOS switch on this card?

My Asus TUF 3070ti hotspot temp vs GPU die temp is 10 C but good to know 15 C different is perfectly normal.

I've had a completely open case so case airflow isn't important for these tests.

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Now ... just need input from someone with a 3080 12GB card to confirm their experiences.
 

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Not what I was particularly asking here
You can't have a high boost with lower fan speeds.

Higher boost means higher fan rpm, which is obvious.

You may have a high ambient temp to begin with.

Usually the MSI gaming x/z trio GPU's have one of the lower temps and lower fan noise then other brands.

See above
 
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Your temps seem to ramp up too high, too fast, but that's when I compare my card to yours.....however, you're on 4k and I'm only on 1440p and my card doesn't have to work as hard. I don't have a 12GB 3080, but my TUF 3080 10GB runs pretty cool. I dropped the power limit down to 90% for my card and bumped up the core/memory clocks by 100MHz. Temps generally stay around low to mid 70s with a fan curve of 60% when temps hit 60C and then to 70% when temps get to 70C and finally 80% if temps hit the temp limit that's set at 83C in MSI Afterburner.

Compare temps from W1zzard's 12GB reviews: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-suprim-x-12-gb/34.html - that should give you a better idea of what you probably should be expecting.
 
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Reviews say this card is whisper quiet so I'm lost here. Are they just fake reviews or oblivious? Or is my cooler somehow defective? Or maybe the 3080 12G and 3080 TI cards just run hot and are loud and no one really cares?
I've always wondered if reviewers that say these things are deaf, or if I just have really sensitive hearing. I have to have all of the fans in my system below like 800 RPM at idle or else they're "too loud".

While I, admittedly, don't have any of the cards in question, my main GPU is of a similar power level and has a similar cooler, and I was able to tune it to be very quiet under load. I did the standard undervolt and underclock routine, and I limited my max fan speed to around 55% (1400RPM).

Have you tried the washer mod on this card? That was a common "fix" for AMD cards (I'm sure it works for NVIDIA cards too), and I'd imagine it'd help you rule out mounting pressure.

Also, worst-case scenario, you can go full ghetto-mod and zip tie some high-quality fans to the card in place of the factory shroud.

I've accepted that in order to keep my system quiet, I need to underclock/undervolt everything. I personally am fine with my system being a bit slower if it means it stays quiet. Plus, you have the benefit of possibly making your components last longer?
 
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First of all, the 15c difference between GPU die and hotspot is fine, it should be between 13 and 18, so 15 is just where it should be. The best I got after multiple repastes and pad swapping was 10c, I don't think you can get any lower.

Now about the card hitting 83c, I assume your ambient temperature is around 25-30c and your case has pretty mediocre airflow. So the temps seem kinda normal to me to be fair. Repasting may have helped, but the fact that you still reach 83 means that your case airflow is kinda inadequate.


Not true, deshrouded my 3090 with 2 af12x25's and it's pretty quiet at full throttle. Temps aren't comparable to watercooling ofcourse, but I can keep it around 70-72c with 28c ambient, so im pretty happy
Point is you had to go to an extreme just to get that.
 

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Thank you for all stating obvious things ... but I need feedback from people with these cards in particular.
Fair question to ask, but putting simply: when you get custom variants of the card almost no one has them, because there are so many models with different PCB's and coolers, and few of each variant were made.
My 3090 on air should give similar results (or worse) since its got even more VRAM to heat the thing up

You provided a lot of good info in post #9 - and it all simply says that your heatsink cant dissipate the heat into your case fast enough. It heatsoaks until it thermal throttles.

You can either undervolt the card to make it produce less heat, or you can increase the airflow in your setup - just because its an open airflow design doesnt mean that's a good thing for the GPU. They're designed to have air flowing over them already, these modern 300W+ cards are not like the old 150W cards.
 

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I've always wondered if reviewers that say these things are deaf, or if I just have really sensitive hearing. I have to have all of the fans in my system below like 800 RPM at idle or else they're "too loud".

While I, admittedly, don't have any of the cards in question, my main GPU is of a similar power level and has a similar cooler, and I was able to tune it to be very quiet under load. I did the standard undervolt and underclock routine, and I limited my max fan speed to around 55% (1400RPM).

Have you tried the washer mod on this card? That was a common "fix" for AMD cards (I'm sure it works for NVIDIA cards too), and I'd imagine it'd help you rule out mounting pressure.

Also, worst-case scenario, you can go full ghetto-mod and zip tie some high-quality fans to the card in place of the factory shroud.

I've accepted that in order to keep my system quiet, I need to underclock/undervolt everything. I personally am fine with my system being a bit slower if it means it stays quiet. Plus, you have the benefit of possibly making your components last longer?
The washer mod works on any gpu with the square cross bracket, just have a good tim and dont warp the pcb lol
 
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Maybe he should re-paste? It would seem that the heat is getting accumulated and when it hits the roof thermal throttle. I'd re-paste and increase airflow for sure.
I know that adding even one 240/360mm fan to a case airflow makes a difference.
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Try this. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-gaming-x-trio-review
It is a same card you have so you can take a look and see more less what you should be expecting.
You have to remember each system is different and the behavior of the card may be different in a test system and yours but still it will give you some information about temps, power consumption, fan curve as well so you can literally compare with their results with yours.
 
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Now ... just need input from someone with a 3080 12GB card to confirm their experiences.
I have the Asus TUF RTX 3080 Ti 12GB OC and for the first month of ownership, I ran it with its stock cooler just to make sure it was working correctly. The card was in a well-ventilated case, the Lian-Li Lancool II Mesh Performance. (The card is now paired with an Alphacool full-length waterblock.)

It was never distressingly hot nor loud; certainly the fans never ran at 100% even at full load (Unigine benchmarks, gaming). Most importantly the stock cooler did its job at keeping temperatures in a reasonable range and below the thermal throttling threshold (I forget the exact maximum temperature it reached).

The TUF 3080 Ti shares the same PCB as the 3080 10GB and 3080 12GB since the same Alphacool waterblock will work on all three. Naturally Alphacool designed this waterblock for the original 3080 10GB model. The stock TUF cooler is identical.

The Overclock3D review of the TUF 3080 Ti shows it topping out at 64 °C during a 30 minute stress test:


which was inline with my own observations when the stock cooler was still on mine. Unsurprisingly the TUF card was 10 degrees cooler than the Founders Edition. Tom's Hardware noted the same 10 degree difference between the TUF 3080 (original 10GB model) and the 3080 Founders Edition (original 10GB model).


The TUF Gaming 3080 cooler is competently designed and effective.

I have no experience with MSI graphics cards though I would hope that the stock cooler on a $1050 MSRP graphics card to do its job.

If I ever received a graphics card that ran at 100% fan on full load, I would have returned it.
 
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Local review of same card different shroud shows 60%2000Rpm 71C or 53%1600 79C on the quiet bios. Usually Fans only shoot to 100% when a catastrophic overheating occurs above 100C or a fan is not reporting the speed properly. Is it always at maximum RPM. You should have probably returned the card, why try to fix something you didn't break.
 
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Maybe 1 of the heatpipes got punctured? can you check if all the heatpipes warm up with an IR thermometer during gaming?
Faulty heatpipe do happen sometimes.
 
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After looking at reviews and the feedback here from people with similar cards .... as expected, there's definitely something wrong with my card. I'm probably just going to return it.
 
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eidairaman1

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Resurrecting my thread ... for those of you with 3080 12GB or 3080 ti cards ... if you're using monitoring software (like MSI Afterburner, EVGA precision, etc) ... what temps are you getting at what GPU boost clocks (sustained)?

I haven't gotten around to submitting the MSI RMA yet but will be doing so shortly.
I used a thermal heat IR gun and aimed at the heatpipes, trying to hit the same spot on each. The temp difference is about 10 degrees F but they all heat up.

I just bought an EVGA 3080 ti XC3 (the midget cooler) on sale and, while the card starts throttling clocks around 80C (mid 0.9s GPU vcore and high 1800s, low 1900s clocks stock), it's noticeably quieter and the fans don't ramp to 100%, only 70% range to keep the temp there. The card doesn't hit 83C even after sustained testing. The hotspot temp is maximum 10C from the GPU temp and memory is in the 70C range. If you don't care about overclocking, this is a decent card. I can get sustained 1860MHz at 0.825v GPU vcore (in sustained Heaven 4.0 loops so far). Not bad but of course more testing will be needed. These cards always need @ 0.025 more for ray tracing / using the RTX cores.
 
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