Have AIOs killed custom loops?

[ShrimpBrime]

Fun fact: most air coolers are boiling water these days...

Please supply evidence of your facts.

 

[67Elco]

Guess I better get this D15 outta here quick then....

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Guess I better get this D15 outta here quick then....

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Nice looking rig! Dig that!

 

[67Elco]

You don't even want to go here lol...passive cooler. I am going to use a AIO for the first time in my next build simply because it will be mostly glass and I don't want a big honking air cooler covering it all up.

 

[chrcoluk]

Guess I better get this D15 outta here quick then....

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Where is the chimney for the steam?

 

[67Elco]

I don't know that water would benefit me in that one. It's a 7900 65w undervolted, so not much of a problem. I do hate how it overwhelms the interior though.

 

[thesmokingman]

I do hate how it overwhelms the interior though.

Looking at that case, have you tried your fans in a push/pull setup vs what looks like pull/pull?

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Please supply evidence of your facts.

You know how a heatpipe works, right?

 

[67Elco]

Looking at that case, have you tried your fans in a push/pull setup vs what looks like pull/pull?

It's using 3x120 intake, 2x140 intake, 1x120 exhaust and the top is wide open. (5) reverse blade fans in total. (2) conventional fans on the Noctua.

 

[thesmokingman]

It's using 3x120 intake, 2x140 intake, 1x120 exhaust and the top is wide open. (5) reverse blade fans in total.

That seems imbalanced to me.

 

[Vario]

I'd really like to do a Mo-Ra3 centered build, I have twenty Noctua NF-A12x25 fans sitting around from a bulk purchase I made. Maybe I'll finally do it on the next system (in 3-4 years). The thing is, it would be the first full WC system I've done so the cost hurdle of acquiring all the random peripheral stuff is pretty high.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

You know how a heatpipe works, right?

Yes you know how a heat pipe works!!!

However most heat pipes in air coolers don't use water.

Would you like links to information for this subject?

 

[thesmokingman]

I'd really like to do a Mo-Ra3 centered build, I have twenty Noctua AF12 fans sitting around from a bulk purchase I made. Maybe I'll finally do it on the next system (in 3-4 years). The thing is, it would be the first full WC system I've done so the cost hurdle of acquiring all the random peripheral stuff is pretty high.

A serious external setup is very nice especially if you have a big heat load and you prefer silence. The cost is tubing to hide away the external and a pump with great head pressure or a couple depending on the pressure drop. And the beauty is you can swap to any new build w/o obviously worrying about what will and won't fit inside.

In years past I ran dual Phobya Extreme 1080's and two GTX480s to cool around 1.6K watt load back when peeps were chasing quad gpu hall of fame crap.

 

[67Elco]

That seems imbalanced to me.

Check out the chart above and see if you spot any place it is struggling. This is the standard Montech King 95 case as sold.

 

[gurusmi]

Let's keep the petty insults to ourselfs, shall we.

Obviously the more water, the longer it will take. But it will eventually overheat, where as it's likely to not ever overheat if a fan should die on a highend aircooler (which is infinitely more unlikely to happen in the first place vs a pump dying).

I'm able to repeat that all the time. The biggest advantage of a water cooled system against an air cooled is the fact that the builder of the system can define the point where the waste nheat hits the ambient air. That point is defined at the radiator. An air cooler let the heat get into the case. An radiator is usally placed a place where the fans bloow out the air of the case. So one hasn't the waste heat inside the case. With that the VRM and PCH stays and keeps cooler.

My system consists of DDR5 RAM, 2 PCIe 5.0 SSD's, 2 PCIe 4.0 SSD's and so on. All of them produce a hell of waste heat. At my build all of that heat isn't inside the case but at the upper and lower end of it blowing out and away. So the inner of the case stays cooler. The risk of a throttling/shutdown of the system is avoided with that.

Most of the people here don't even realize that there are different technical arguments pro and con Water or air cooling. They only think that it's cool or not. And there is a big problem in this discussion. And now i got for Chips and a coke, lay back and enjoy this show.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I'm able to repeat that all the time. The biggest advantage of a water cooled system against an air cooled is the fact that the builder of the system can define the point where the waste nheat hits the ambient air. That point is defined at the radiator. An air cooler let the heat get into the case. An radiator is usally placed a place where the fans bloow out the air of the case. So one hasn't the waste heat inside the case. With that the VRM and PCH stays and keeps cooler.

My system consists of DDR5 RAM, 2 PCIe 5.0 SSD's, 2 PCIe 4.0 SSD's and so on. All of them produce a hell of waste heat. At my build all of that heat isn't inside the case but at the upper and lower end of it blowing out and away. So the inner of the case stays cooler. The risk of a throttling/shutdown of the system is avoided with that.

Most of the people here don't even realize that there are different technical arguments pro and con Water or air cooling. They only think that it's cool or not. And there is a big problem in this discussion. And now i got for Chips and a coke, lay back and enjoy this show.

Post 89, I put a picture up from a pump failure.

Dragan1337 has a good point, but would depend on variables.

I wasn't there when the pump failed. F@H on opteron 165. Was at work, came home to a mess and an almost dead chip. I got 2 more days from it.

ThermalTake Bigwater was my first "kit". Never again acrylic tops. And never again piggy back switching units.

 

[dgianstefani]

You don't even want to go here lol...passive cooler. I am going to use a AIO for the first time in my next build simply because it will be mostly glass and I don't want a big honking air cooler covering it all up.

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It's not exactly passive if you're running four fans blowing air across it...

 

[67Elco]

It's not exactly passive if you're running four fans blowing air across it...

Yes, we all understand this. https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/project-zero-cables-suck.317698/

 

[Vya Domus]

However most heat pipes in air coolers don't use water.

Heatpipes/vapor chambers do in fact have a small amount of water inside them.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Heatpipes/vapor chambers do in fact have a small amount of water inside them.

I believe ammonia or alcohol is used with cpu coolers because of boiling points.

Corsair might have some information out there. I'm making dinner, I'll look later.

 

[Vya Domus]

I believe ammonia or alcohol is used with cpu coolers because of boiling points.

Corsair might have some information out there. I'm making dinner, I'll look later.

I am pretty sure it's just distilled water, never heard of anything else being used, certainly not in your run of the mill heat pipe inside of a laptop cooler. The inside of a heat pipe is actually a vacuum, that's how you get the water to boil at a much lower temperature.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You're one of those who doesn't read shit and just keeps repeating "your" truth.

Really, put a cork in your pie hole. I've been fluid cooling PC's since 1998. I know my craft. If you want to continue to be unpleasant, fine by me. Do it elsewhere or I'm going to start returning the flavor of your conjecture in spades.

Yeah unless you're doing hard tubing a custom loop is a couple hours, if that.

True. Soft tubing is very easy.

Just buy quick release fittings.

Which brand do you prefer? A lot of people swear by EK or Koolance, but I find Alphacool make the better(easier to use) fittings. That's my personal opinion though. An argument can be made about Visiontek's Cryovenom line.

Why do some people make AIOs seem like the bane of PC parts?

Ignorance and maybe some arrogance. It's as simple as that.

Fun fact: most air coolers are boiling water these days...

Exactly. Heatpipes are just sealed-metal-loop water coolers.

Please supply evidence of your facts.

They don't need to. It's common knowledge. "Air" coolers that have heat-pipes(and most do these days) are just sealed-loop water coolers. Go look it up. It'll be a very fascinating read.

The Basics of Heat Pipes – Their History, Principle, and Varieties explained | Colomn | Solutions/Products/Services | DNP Dai Nippon Printing

Or if you prefer the video format;

However most heat pipes in air coolers don't use water.

ALL heatpipes use water. Every single one of them. It's exactly how they function.

 

[Bones]

Let's not confuse needs with wants. The fact that you had a custom loop and you liked it doesn't mean you needed one.

I drive a Fiesta ST which I absolutely love, and if it goes (when it goes?), I definitely don't want something under 160 bhp per tonne. Does that mean that I need a sporty car? Absolutely not.

The way you put is as "There has never been any need for a custom loop in a regular home PC, ever" is why I replied as I did.
That was a stated as an absolute - Especially with the word "Ever" defining it as such, which we both know it isn't.

There is no confusion between want and need here, I also said the choice of what to get is up to the user, not anyone here. On that point, that's why I went with a custom loop when I did, it was my choice to do it if I wanted to, so I did.

Yes, an aircooler would have sufficed but I wanted a bit more cooling capability and got it - That choice was mine and yes, I made it.
Why is that even a problem?

A £50 air cooler can give you 98% of the performance of what you'd get with a custom loop, which is fine for most people. Saying that the extra 2% is absolutely necessary is an unreasonable expectation, something I'd class as a want, not a need.

There you go again, calling an expectation "Unreasonable" and saying it as an absolute.
That's your opinion of it and that's all it is because.....

That's NOT up to you to decide - I'll say it again, the user/owner IS the only one that determines what the need, want or expectation is in the first place. If they want to go overboard, "Bon Voyage" and happy gaming or whatever they want to do.
In other words build it like you want, it's up to you and no one else - I certainly will and won't ask permission to either, just as you don't need anyone else's permission to do the same.

 

[damric]

ok so

air coolers are actually water coolers because they have water vapor in the heat pipes

water coolers are actually air coolers because you have fans on the radiator

aios are the ones using propylene glycol and aluminum radiators so worst of both worlds

 

[67Elco]

Aluminum radiators in nearly every vehicle on the road...don't see the problem. What exactly is the mixture used in these AIO's?

Just thinking out loud here - What if you replaced the solution in these AIO's with transformer oil? It would never go bad or need replacing. A transformer is nothing more than a huge passive heatsink, sometimes with a fan added and they don't circulate at all.