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Hi Forums,
I figured this site was a good place to ask; after reading a few posts related to this GPU and seeing how many helpful people there are here.
I was gifted a GTX 460 1GB and installed it in my (very) old computer so I could play Skyrim with some mods (LE version, not SSE). I currently have an Athlon 64 X2 on an ASUS M2N-SLI motherboard with 4GB Ram. (Yes, very old, insert jokes here). The game actually runs smoothly most of the time, even with a bunch of mods. I don't have any graphics-heavy mods (that would require a better GPU and CPU), but started using some that are relatively script-heavy (and I read that upgrading CPU helps with scripts more than upgrading GPU). I'm starting to reach the Athlon's performance limit, getting FPS drops and crashes when there's a lot of action. So, time to upgrade. I don't really want/need a high performance gaming system, just something that can better handle this 10 year old game.

So, here's the question: What CPU would be a good match for this GPU? I figured: I have a 10 yr old GPU running a 10 yr old game, but with a 15 yr old CPU. Maybe something 5-6 yrs old, so that there's potential for a future upgraded GPU (maybe after this crypto mining insanity passes). I was thinking i3 or i5, or ryzen3 or 5. (intel or amd? is there a thread for that? :p) I understand that I would need a new motherboard and probably new ram too. My budget is preferably under $400, but flexible. Thanks!!!
 
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You can find first gen p55 i7 for cheap. I think I saw 15 buck CPU's and 50 buck motherboards.
 
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i5-10400

B460 motherboard

16GB ram 3000mHz

and a 550W PSU for $410 Canadian


I am including the PSU because I am guessing that the PSU in your computer currently is very old and you should probably replace it if you dont want you brand new electronics to be fried

Also look around on kijiji and stuff, you might be able to find some good deals on 16GB RAM kits, I managed to get a kit for $50 a while back

Also, do you have a picture or model# of your old computer?
 
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Wow, fast response!!! Thanks! I actually upgraded to 430W PSU a couple years ago when the old one died. Sorry forgot to mention that.
 
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Hi Forums,
I figured this site was a good place to ask; after reading a few posts related to this GPU and seeing how many helpful people there are here.
I was gifted a GTX 460 1GB and installed it in my (very) old computer so I could play Skyrim with some mods (LE version, not SSE). I currently have an Athlon 64 X2 on an ASUS M2N-SLI motherboard with 4GB Ram. (Yes, very old, insert jokes here). The game actually runs smoothly most of the time, even with a bunch of mods. I don't have any graphics-heavy mods (that would require a better GPU and CPU), but started using some that are relatively script-heavy (and I read that upgrading CPU helps with scripts more than upgrading GPU). I'm starting to reach the Athlon's performance limit, getting FPS drops and crashes when there's a lot of action. So, time to upgrade. I don't really want/need a high performance gaming system, just something that can better handle this 10 year old game.

So, here's the question: What CPU would be a good match for this GPU? I figured: I have a 10 yr old GPU running a 10 yr old game, but with a 15 yr old CPU. Maybe something 5-6 yrs old, so that there's potential for a future upgraded GPU (maybe after this crypto mining insanity passes). I was thinking i3 or i5, or ryzen3 or 5. (intel or amd? is there a thread for that? :p) I understand that I would need a new motherboard and probably new ram too. My budget is preferably under $400, but flexible. Thanks!!!
i would buy a console if u have 400 you can on the 400 ps5 have a gpu about 11x more powerful and a system with 16 gbs of ram then just play the remaseterd Skyrim(also like 8 seoond load times vs 50ish). or if you do it safely craigslist or something you can get a used ps4 or xboxone for 120-200 used with games that can run the remastered version really well.. and its completely in your budget

i recommend this x100,000 because your gpu is almost 2x weaker then a again 120-250 ps4 from 2013.. its a better investment for the future... consoles in fact take a loss on the systems (other then nintendo) by a decent margin to make money off the online and games
 
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recommend this x100,000 because your gpu is almost 2x weaker then a again 120-250 ps4 from 2013.. its a better investment for the future... consoles in fact take a loss on the systems (other then nintendo) by a decent margin to make money off the online and games
you do know the ps4 has a apu right?
the power the ps4 has is basically no power behind its all optimization
However games loading times dont really care about the hardware and purley about the disk speed skyrim loads in 10 seconds on my Hard drive
also ps5 is not worth 400 dollars and specs really dont matter for a console
Also games are more expensive on console
But i agree with this as well

if you wanna stick with a pc maybe look at core 2 quad q6700 or somthing like that
try and aim at 4c maybe with hyperthreading
 
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you do know the ps4 has a apu right?
the power the ps4 has is basically no power behind its all optimization
However games loading times dont really care about the hardware and purley about the disk speed skyrim loads in 10 seconds on my Hard drive
also ps5 is not worth 400 dollars and specs really dont matter for a console
Also games are more expensive on console
But i agree with this as well

if you wanna stick with a pc maybe look at core 2 quad q6700 or somthing like that
try and aim at 4c maybe with hyperthreading
its actually not possible to build a computer more powerful then then ps5 per cost......at all.... gpus even at mrsp to the ps5 power is about 350.... so before the system ssd cpu powersuppliy controller ect.. are you new to tech? a guy who i kinda like with 11million subs on u tube with a backround in tech before u tube couldn't come close building it himself with buying sale items..

like the ps5 are in the market being scalped for hundreds above mrsp like by a huge margin with owning os already... and guess what skyrim is aold game ... and guesss what game pass and guess what pc games have sales just like console ones....games on pc and console can be the same price at times
 
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its actually not possible to build a computer more powerful then then ps5 per cost......at al.... gpus like the ps5 are in the market being scalped for hundreds above mrsp like by a huge margin with owning os already... and guess what skyrim is aold game ... and guesss what game pass and guess what pc games have sales just like console ones....
I mean raw power means nothing when the ps5 has not games
but anyway i dont understand the point of this post
Console sales are never as good as steam sales thats the main reason i jumped to a pc
and game pass is on xbox and you suggested pc
 

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I like how a PC vs console debate started. I was a PC gamer for years, then got an xbox 360 and discovered Skyrim. Recently got an Xbox One (S? X? Don't even know. My wife wanted witcher 3, so her brother gave her his older Xbox when the most recent one came out). I don't really care if I have the best and newest games, I've loved skyrim for years, and recently started modding it on PC (can't mod as much on console). Depending on your mods, it's a whole new game anyway. So, I'll continue being a PC gamer and will likely never touch a console again.

Thank you, HQi88, for the parts list. I'm gonna pick around on that site a little more and see what I come up with. At first looks, I might be able to build a whole new system if I push the budget up a little.
 
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At first looks, I might be able to build a whole new system if I push the budget up a little.

SkyrimLEPlayer...

If you've talked yourself into purchasing a new system, I'm sure some of the guys here can put together something very reasonable. Also...if you do go new...you don't have to buy it all at once.

I'm a fan of Skyrim as well...I recently picked up Skyrim SE and I'm currently making my first pass at it. Although I have 875 hours on the original.

If you were looking for cheap or used, I was going to suggest an HP Z230 Workstation with a xeon processor(and a little patience). Just toss in the GTX 460 to tide you over for a month or three while you're researching the best "balanced" card for whatever xeon you end up with. The workstation you purchase...well, I usually look for units that come with a graphics card that way I can offset the cost or add the profit from selling the card to purchasing something better. I see plenty of these go for $150-$175....I wouldn't pay over $200.

Whatever you do...best of luck,

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I like how a PC vs console debate started. I was a PC gamer for years, then got an xbox 360 and discovered Skyrim. Recently got an Xbox One (S? X? Don't even know. My wife wanted witcher 3, so her brother gave her his older Xbox when the most recent one came out). I don't really care if I have the best and newest games, I've loved skyrim for years, and recently started modding it on PC (can't mod as much on console). Depending on your mods, it's a whole new game anyway. So, I'll continue being a PC gamer and will likely never touch a console again.

Thank you, HQi88, for the parts list. I'm gonna pick around on that site a little more and see what I come up with. At first looks, I might be able to build a whole new system if I push the budget up a little.

No problem!

If you are going for a new system, your 430W PSU wont hold up for future upgrades. try to get a PSU that at least 550W.

Of course, GPUs are in short supply but because Mining GPUs generally need at least 4GB of VRAM, you can find older cards like GTX 500 and 600 series or AMD's old Radeon HD 6000 and 7000 series that offer a good boost in performance compared to the GTX 460. The used marked is a mysterious place ;)

Or you could just wait for the GPU shortage to end... maybe next year?
 

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Wow, fast response!!! Thanks! I actually upgraded to 430W PSU a couple years ago when the old one died. Sorry forgot to mention that.

What brand and model?
 
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To go with a GTX 460, Sandy Bridge (Intel Core 2000-series) or later should do nicely. If you eBay at all, search i5 motherboard/CPU combos and see if something strikes your fancy. You should find something suitable for well under $150US.
 

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What brand and model?
ThermalTake Smart 430W

One question related to the PSU: if I put together a system on pcpartpicker and it reports an "Estimated Wattage" of 289W, is that idle, peak, average...? Should I look for a PSU with a multiple of that number?

Here's what I've started with: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q3GYK3 (also added my PSU and GPU for reference and power requirements)
I figured I could go with this for now, then upgrade down the road. Comments and suggestions welcome.
 
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Crashes are likely bad caps on the motherboard. Also, I would upgrade the PSU down the road. The Smarts were never really good.
 
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Here's what I've started with: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q3GYK3 (also added my PSU and GPU for reference and power requirements)
I figured I could go with this for now, then upgrade down the road. Comments and suggestions welcome.
Personally I would go with the AMD route only if you plan to upgrade the CPU (5600x? The non x version if AMD will ever release it to the DIY plebs?) as well at some point, the build that HQi88 suggested (minus the PSU) is a better option at the moment. AMD's lower end CPUs are pretty much overpriced right now.
 
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Lol I thought he was trying to build a period correct machine :laugh:
 
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One question related to the PSU: if I put together a system on pcpartpicker and it reports an "Estimated Wattage" of 289W, is that idle, peak, average...? Should I look for a PSU with a multiple of that number?

The estimated wattage is based on the listed TDP of the GPU (160W), CPU (65W), and its best guess for RAM, hard drives, CPU coolers, and case fans.

You should always get a PSU above the listed number. However, TDP is generally not a particularly accurate way of measuring the max power draw of a system. For example, the i5-11400 has a listed TDP of 65W but TechPowerUp showed that under the right circumstances an settings, it could draw over 200W of power. But when you are gaming, it is unlikely to hit that power draw as those tests were conducted under worst case scenarios.

Here's what I've started with: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q3GYK3 (also added my PSU and GPU for reference and power requirements)
I figured I could go with this for now, then upgrade down the road. Comments and suggestions welcome.

I am going to repost my suggestion for the i5-11400 build but with 3200MHz RAM and a better motherboard (total $408):
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ccy2wz

Honestly if you are looking to maximize your ~$400 and don't need a new case and PSU (your PSU can handle the 10400) it is still the better option:
  1. The 10400 noticeably faster than the 1600 in many benchmarks
  2. The 10400 has an integrated GPU (you can get video output without a graphics card) which is helpful for troubleshooting
  3. Better motherboard with better VRMs, CPU and RAM overclocking support, more fan headers, and more RGB headers
What is your PC case like? Honestly I would just reuse the case and spend the extra $50 on a significantly better CPU and Mobo setup so that you wont have to worry about running out of fan/rgb headers and if you will overload the VRMs if you decide to upgrade to i7 or i9 in the future.
 
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On the Asus M2N-SLI you can have a 4-core 3GHz Athlon 640 or Phenom 945 running if you update the BIOS to 5001.
Then you have a 10 year old processor matching the other hardware.

Or get a recent prebuilt PC with enough room for a GPU, transplant PSU and GPU and your good to go.
 
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As @Jacky_BEL suggested, the cheapest option would be to upgrade your current rig to a Phenom II X4 and 8 GB of RAM. But your experience playing heavily modded Skyrim wouldn't necessarily be much better. This game runs on Creation engine, which is all about single threaded performance. Going from an Athlon 64 X2 to a quad-core Phenom II you won't see big improvement in this respect.

Given the current pricing of Zen 2 and 3 CPUs, I would strongly recommend going with a Core i5-10400F, or even an i3-10100F. Due to their higher IPC, they should perform much better in Skyrim than any Zen 1 CPU.
 

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The estimated wattage is based on the listed TDP of the GPU (160W), CPU (65W), and its best guess for RAM, hard drives, CPU coolers, and case fans.

You should always get a PSU above the listed number. However, TDP is generally not a particularly accurate way of measuring the max power draw of a system. For example, the i5-11400 has a listed TDP of 65W but TechPowerUp showed that under the right circumstances an settings, it could draw over 200W of power. But when you are gaming, it is unlikely to hit that power draw as those tests were conducted under worst case scenarios.



I am going to repost my suggestion for the i5-11400 build but with 3200MHz RAM and a better motherboard (total $408):
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ccy2wz

Honestly if you are looking to maximize your ~$400 and don't need a new case and PSU (your PSU can handle the 10400) it is still the better option:
  1. The 10400 noticeably faster than the 1600 in many benchmarks
  2. The 10400 has an integrated GPU (you can get video output without a graphics card) which is helpful for troubleshooting
  3. Better motherboard with better VRMs, CPU and RAM overclocking support, more fan headers, and more RGB headers
What is your PC case like? Honestly I would just reuse the case and spend the extra $50 on a significantly better CPU and Mobo setup so that you wont have to worry about running out of fan/rgb headers and if you will overload the VRMs if you decide to upgrade to i7 or i9 in the future.
Thanks for the info and recommendation, I agree this build seems to have more value. But, another question comes up: the build list shows this:

Compatibility Notes​

  • Note:The Asus PRIME Z590M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard has an additional 4-pin ATX power connector but the Thermaltake Smart Series 430 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply does not. This connector is used to supply additional 12V current to the motherboard. While the system will likely still run without it, higher current demands such as extreme overclocking or large video card current draws may require it.
  • Note:The motherboard M.2 slot #1 requires an Intel Rocket Lake-based CPU. When an Intel Rocket Lake-based CPU is not used, the M.2 slot is disabled.
On the first note: what kind of problems will not having the extra 4-pin cause? Would I need the new PSU for this board anyway?
One the second note: just making sure I understand the M.2 slot, it is for new SSDs correct? I currently have a 250GB SSD SATA running my OS and most programs and a 2TB HDD for storage. So, technically I wouldn't need a new SSD (for a while, anyway) so this wouldn't be an issue.

Yes, I would prefer a new case. current case is working, but has problems. power button is glitchy sometimes, lacks usb ports on front/top, poor airflow.


As @Jacky_BEL suggested, the cheapest option would be to upgrade your current rig to a Phenom II X4 and 8 GB of RAM. But your experience playing heavily modded Skyrim wouldn't necessarily be much better. This game runs on Creation engine, which is all about single threaded performance. Going from an Athlon 64 X2 to a quad-core Phenom II you won't see big improvement in this respect.

Given the current pricing of Zen 2 and 3 CPUs, I would strongly recommend going with a Core i5-10400F, or even an i3-10100F. Due to their higher IPC, they should perform much better in Skyrim than any Zen 1 CPU.
Yes, I have also heard about the single thread engine and that having more cores/threads doesn't boost Skyrim's performance.

You guys are awesome, thanks for the help.
 
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Cooling Noctua NH-U14S
Memory 32GB (4 x 8GB) TeamGroup 3200MHz
Video Card(s) ASUS R7 260X OC
Storage Crucial P1 NVMe (1TB)
Case Lancool PC-K65
Power Supply ToughPower GF1 750W
  • The Asus PRIME Z590M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard has an additional 4-pin ATX power connector but the Thermaltake Smart Series 430 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply does not. This connector is used to supply additional 12V current to the motherboard. While the system will likely still run without it, higher current demands such as extreme overclocking or large video card current draws may require it.

The extra 4 pins are pretty much only for when you are overclocking with an i9 processor, as that will draw enormous amounts of power. You can plug in your 4+4pin CPU power cables on your 430W PSU and power your i5 without any issues.

  • The motherboard M.2 slot #1 requires an Intel Rocket Lake-based CPU. When an Intel Rocket Lake-based CPU is not used, the M.2 slot is disabled.

Yes it is for the M.2 SSDs which use PCIE rather than older SATA and thus are much faster. You would be able to plug in you current SATA SSD and 2TB HDD off the SATA slots and have it boot from there.

I should also note this Z590 motherboard has three M.2 slots and that with the 10th gen i5 in my list, slots #2 and #3 will still work.

Yes, I would prefer a new case. current case is working, but has problems. power button is glitchy sometimes, lacks usb ports on front/top, poor airflow.

External USB Hub for attaching more USBs. Why do you need more USB ports on the front and top? For wireless mice/keyboard?

If you need more airflow just cut a hole in the side and tape a fan on it. If you are gonna upgrade your case in the future, this could be an temporary solution for now.
 
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