I disagree. That is what ATI has been good at "since" the x1950xt. Since then that has been their only chance at moving product because they just aren't competing with Nvidia these days. Believe me if Nvidia had a poor performer they would be price cutting ATI. They don't, so ATI has no choice. A savings of 12% vs performance in the 25% range... Please let the 3870 OC like a dream...1GHZ+!!! It should OC so well that just by thinking about it the clock jumps 10% and drops 5 degrees C.