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its been a long while since i had to buy one. maybe 15-20 years. they have changed a lot. i have done research. slower HDDs are quieter, that wont bother me. are modern MBs, able to handle the newer HDDs? [i'm working on contacting the manufacture of my MB]. 1 HDD does cameras for recording, maybe thats a good buy. it can record up to 68 cameras at the same time.[its for security],WD has some good options, the red looks good. i dont plan on spending a lot for this, i just want a HDD, for Windows 10, and to put temp files in, storage files, so it dont strain the SSD drive. if i asked this already, please delete it.
 
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I would not trust any HDD security system recorder if this not using Raid-1.
Newer made HDD do not have the build quality of the old.
Two months ago I have import two Raptor 10K from Spain to Greece, with 60000 hours of operation on them, they are great opportunity as spare drives, they were build for a million of hours as max.
 
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i have not started this system as yet. so, any advice is helpful. guess i'll have to look up Raptor 10k. ed
60,000 hrs., might out last me. thanks
 
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I would not go for a used drive if data integrity matters, doesn't matter how well engineered it is. The 10k raptors were made a long time ago.

Look at enterprise drives like Hitachi/WD Ultrastars, Seagate constellations, etc. They will do the job nicely.

Also, Western Digital Purple series is intended exactly for video surviellance, so maybe worth a look.
 
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i am tring to keep the price down., so that is of concern. the SSD is only 1 TB, getting an HDD, is a new experience. i dont plan on video surveillance, just seemed like a good buy/HDD drive.
 
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i have not started this system as yet. so, any advice is helpful. guess i'll have to look up Raptor 10k. ed
60,000 hrs., might out last me. thanks
You might find sort the capacity of 75GB, but they are terrific as Non-SSD boot partition.
 
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i'm using a seagate 250 GiB drive on my old machine. it got 170 Gib left. i deleted the site that helped me build this. Oh Well , i'll find it again an see what matches. i dont need much. [something similar to park picker]. back to search.
this drive is old, 10-15 yrs., and is quite.
 
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the more i learn about this, the less i know. "PC Part Picker" was the place i went to. option's have changed since then. I did contact MSI today, after listing to music, on the Phone for 10 minute's, it hung up. music was terrible. i'll try again tonight, 1:32 am now., an see what happens. [always open for edit]. i think i can do 5,25, 3.25 an 2.25, HDD with this MB, MSI, x470 AMD MB, Gaming Plus MAX.
something else i found out, is, i can run Windows 10 in vertial, though i think it would be nice, to have , to have an extra storage drive, for temp files, an Windows 10, stuff, like updates. the PC i built, has 5.25, 3.25, an 2.25, bays, the board supports this, best i know.
i dont think i need that much for storage., not yet anyway. so now, im just looking for something that runs quite, don't cost much, an dont make a lot of noise. WD black, makes a noise, every 5 seconds, from my research. i would not be able to deal with that.
had to kill many Katydids, cause the noise drove me to. 300 ft. at least. away from where i was sleeping. woke me up, and i found it, it was no more. some are a sensitive to sound. stress makes this worst. {i'll measure the distance, again, to make sure}. ya remember thing's like that. guess i talk too much. that can be edited, also. i dont mean to. hate to put someone at work, that could be doing other thing's. i'll try to quit.
 
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i dont plan on video surveillance, just seemed like a good buy/HDD drive.
Gotcha, misread you there.

I think you're best deal would probably be in SATA SSDs, ironically, from a performance vs cost perspective, unless you need a truly large amount of data (above 1TB).

That's sort of the state of the market.
 
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yep, so it go's.
 
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i just came from a world, 5.25 HD was common.
3.5 v/s 2.5, hard to decide. 5.25 is cheap, but, so out of date. 3.5 v/s 2.5, both have good an bad points. I'm still looking at a noise factor. my noise problem, aint everyone's noise problem. the 5 second shake, [has a better term] from WD, western digital, the Black one. would drive me crazy. a normal function of that drive. [has to shake up the oil or something]. laptop's use a 2.5 HDD, it runs slower, but, will take some shock. they dont store as much, but last longer. then, the hybrid drives, best of both, in some way's, problems out the ? in others. it's a hard call. Well, i got a new machine. might as well take my chances. screenshots will follow the best i can. i accidentally deleted, my toolbar. [bottom of page], either i find out how to get it back, or i do a new install., keep my bookmarks.
i'm glad the new machine will be sharper than me,., i hope i get the hang, of handling it .
a franken thing, maybe a few steins, or so. ed

I would not go for a used drive if data integrity matters, doesn't matter how well engineered it is. The 10k raptors were made a long time ago.

Look at enterprise drives like Hitachi/WD Ultrastars, Seagate constellations, etc. They will do the job nicely.

Also, Western Digital Purple series is intended exactly for video surveillance, so maybe worth a look.
i cant find Ultrastars.,, i dont need video, yet, but it's a new world. Seagate, might hold some promise. i got a lot of catching up to do.
 
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If you need anything less than 2TB, then just go SSD. High quality 1TB SSDs are $100 these days, $150 for a speedy M.2 NVMe SSD. Hard drives remain useful as the cheapest storage for a consumer (ignoring tape drives). Pretty easy these days to get 10TB for just $250 or less.

I know you say you don't care about performance. But SSDs are roughly 100x faster (that's 10,000% faster) in IOPS and latency than hard drives. A modern system should be made with an SSD instead of a hard drive as its boot drive and probably for most 1TB (or less) situations. SSDs are completely silent, no moving parts, and use less energy than hard drives.

If $150 for a 1TB M.2 SSD is too expensive for you, then buy a 250GB SATA SSD instead. The speed difference is absolutely huge, the largest improvement in storage speeds in the last decade. You really should be considering SSD as the default choice these days.
 
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i care some about performance. i have a 1TB SSD, Sabrent Q, the HDD, will be just for storage, and temp files. i read where SSD drives worked better, if temp files were put in an HDD. i'm still looking, i make up my mine slowly. :banghead: What do you think about Hybrid drives? arent they SSHD?
did some more research. the negative reviews say much at amazon. Firecuda is made at Samsung. not the same place it was., an i dont think i want to go there. so, i'm looking for a good HDD again. the warranty seems good, at Samsung, Firecuda, but there were complaints about that. another look at Hitachi/WD Ultrastars. i messed up on the Ultrastars part of WD before in my search.
 
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found out about SMR v/s CMR. thats got me going. where, i don't know. this is what i got so far. i havent formatted the SSD, drive, Sabrent Q Rocket. its the white one [SMR], the black sabrent,[which i dont have], is supposed to be [CMR],..
the 3.5, 2.5, HDD's, all have bad point's. its hard to pick one. i'm old an, "Dazed and Confused" ..
 

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found out about SMR v/s CMR
First off neither of those terms apply to SSD's with SSD's it's
SLC (Single Level Cell) where only 1 bit per cell is written (Fastest)
MLC ( Multi Level Cell) where 2 or more bits are written to a cell (Fast)
TLC (Tripple Level Cell) where 3 bits are written to a cell (Slow)
QLC (Quad Level Cell) Where 4 bits are written to a cell (Slowest)

Now to deal with HDD's CMR vs SMR

CMR (Conventional Magnetic Recording) Where each track is side by side on the platter sort of like looking at a brick wall where each layer of bricks is a track ||||| (Fastest)
SMR (Shingled Magnetic Recording) where each track is layered partially over the previous track sort of like shingles on a roof \\\\\\\ (Slowest)

In order to have a large Capacity CMR HDD they need to use more Platters inside a drive whereas with SMR each drive has less PLatters but suffer from slower write speeds compared to CMR

For your storage needs though I wouldn't worry about which one you buy with regards to CMR/SMR but more on Capacity and Manufacturer
 
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SMR is a backwards step: much slower write speeds than even 10-years ago.

In contrast, CMR (also known as PMR) drives are just bigger, cheaper, faster versions of the hard drives we used to use 10 years ago. If you know you like hard drives, then CMR is the best choice. Its virtually the same technology you've been buying for decades, just better.

SMR has some moderate utility as "cheapest per TB". You can't beat SMR's price, but why would you want to buy a lower quality, slower drive? Its not like CMR drives are expensive. SMR is a competitor to TAPE drives, the slowest of the slow in the market. Long-term archival, write once read many workloads. Its got a niche, but don't use them under "typical" desktop circumstances.
 
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First off neither of those terms apply to SSD's with SSD's it's
SLC (Single Level Cell) where only 1 bit per cell is written (Fastest)
MLC ( Multi Level Cell) where 2 or more bits are written to a cell (Fast)
TLC (Tripple Level Cell) where 3 bits are written to a cell (Slow)
QLC (Quad Level Cell) Where 4 bits are written to a cell (Slowest)

Now to deal with HDD's CMR vs SMR

CMR (Conventional Magnetic Recording) Where each track is side by side on the platter sort of like looking at a brick wall where each layer of bricks is a track ||||| (Fastest)
SMR (Shingled Magnetic Recording) where each track is layered partially over the previous track sort of like shingles on a roof \\\\\\\ (Slowest)

In order to have a large Capacity CMR HDD they need to use more Platters inside a drive whereas with SMR each drive has less PLatters but suffer from slower write speeds compared to CMR

For your storage needs though I wouldn't worry about which one you buy with regards to CMR/SMR but more on Capacity and Manufacturer
i must have misunderstood what i was reading. somewhere i read that SMART and some other technology pointed to SMR, i though it applied to SSD's as well.
now i have to reread what Level Cell Sabrent Q has.{nothing like learning new stuff} :)
 
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I’ve been following this thread for awhile and am shocked it hasn’t reached a conclusion!

@1MistyrRider, the storage scene hasn’t changed much over the years. 5” drives have long passed their life, with 3.5” disks becoming the standard for desktops. 2.5” drives exist as well, and some are strong performers, but are best suited for conditions where noise, power, or space constraints are a concern.

The major manufacturers tend to have a few lines: storage, usually broken up into green and RAID drives; consumer drives, coming in both 5400 and 7200 rpm variants, and then some application specific drives (surveillance, cold storage, etc).

SSHD drives exist, but I would advise against them. There is not much of a performance gain and the limited adaptation of these drives seems to have stifled development. More, the controllers seem to die sooner than the disks, likely due to the hybrid caching and lack of development.

So, in your case, you want a 7200rpm consumer drive. The question is, as far as which disk you should purchase, and if you‘d be better off with an SSD instead, is two-fold: what’s your budget and how much space do you need?

I write all of this not to dissuade you from your research, but merely to help advance your cause of purchasing a storage device. Thanks for all of your thoughts!
 
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i been using a 2002 PC, till three days ago. though i started my build 4-6 months ago, its just hard to teach an old dog new trick's. :D
let's just say, i'm a slow an thorough learner. [on the side, i used to exercise race horses] i loss count of the times i got throwed, from riding horses after 150. then there's the concussion thing, that dont have as much to do with horses.:kookoo: hahaha
 
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Memory Crutial Ballistix 3200MHz DDR4 DRAM
Video Card(s) EVGA GeForce GT 1030 [1290-1544 MHZ] 2Gb low profile GDDR5
Storage Sabrent Rocket Q 1TB NVMe PCIe M.2 2880 SSD, Baracuda250HDD
Display(s) ASUS
Case BeQuite 600 midtower
Audio Device(s) ? except for some cheap speakers, this has no meaning.
Power Supply EVGA Supernova 650 G3 Gold
Mouse Logiteh Cordless Optical Trackman from 2002, still works
Keyboard Microsoft Natural MultiMedia Keyboard 1.0
Software Havent got there yet
Benchmark Scores N/A
i like this, just have to translate the cash. from the state's, i am. i dont have that much to store. i'm old, 65 at the end of this month, an can get by with much less. i will check it out though. 1 or 2 TB, will probable out last me. i got stuff to store, just not that much, bit wise.
i have learned quite a bit, different bit, it hard to tell if my desktop is running. has 5 fans, 6 if you include me, just a funny. least the light flash's when it's running.
 
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Messages
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System Name boomer--->zoomer not your typical millenial build
Processor i5-760 @ 3.8ghz + turbo ~goes wayyyyyyyyy fast cuz turboooooz~
Motherboard P55-GD80 ~best motherboard ever designed~
Cooling NH-D15 ~double stack thot twerk all day~
Memory 16GB Crucial Ballistix LP ~memory gone AWOL~
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 970 ~*~GOLDEN EDITION~*~ RAWRRRRRR
Storage 500GB Samsung 850 Evo (OS X, *nix), 128GB Samsung 840 Pro (W10 Pro), 1TB SpinPoint F3 ~best in class
Display(s) ASUS VW246H ~best 24" you've seen *FULL HD* *1O80PP* *SLAPS*~
Case FT02-W ~the W stands for white but it's brushed aluminum except for the disgusting ODD bays; *cries*
Audio Device(s) A LOT
Power Supply 850W EVGA SuperNova G2 ~hot fire like champagne~
Mouse CM Spawn ~cmcz R c00l seth mcfarlane darawss~
Keyboard CM QF Rapid - Browns ~fastrrr kees for fstr teens~
Software integrated into the chassis
Benchmark Scores 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
Hey, take your time — there’s a lot of info to learn from! I used to build RAIDs for small businesses and AV studios, but no longer. Why I still spend time reading white sheets is beyond me! Honestly it was a waste of my time back then...
 
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Location
Kentucky
System Name IDK what this means
Processor AMD Ryzen 1600AF
Motherboard MSI x470 GamingPlusMax
Cooling 2 case fans, an another for the power supply, plus 1 for the processor
Memory Crutial Ballistix 3200MHz DDR4 DRAM
Video Card(s) EVGA GeForce GT 1030 [1290-1544 MHZ] 2Gb low profile GDDR5
Storage Sabrent Rocket Q 1TB NVMe PCIe M.2 2880 SSD, Baracuda250HDD
Display(s) ASUS
Case BeQuite 600 midtower
Audio Device(s) ? except for some cheap speakers, this has no meaning.
Power Supply EVGA Supernova 650 G3 Gold
Mouse Logiteh Cordless Optical Trackman from 2002, still works
Keyboard Microsoft Natural MultiMedia Keyboard 1.0
Software Havent got there yet
Benchmark Scores N/A
i cant add no more to this. thanks
 
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Location
Gougeland (NZ)
System Name Cumquat 2000
Processor AMD RyZen R7 3700X
Motherboard Asus Strix x470-F Gaming
Cooling Cryorig R1 Universal
Memory 16GB GSkill TridentZ DR4-3200 16-18-18-38 1.35V
Video Card(s) Sapphire Pulse RX5700 8GB DDR6 1750/1700
Storage 1x Adata SX8200PRO NVMe gen3 x4 1X Samsung 860 EVO 500GB 1x Sandisk 128GB PCIe, 12TB of HDD Storage
Display(s) ViewSonic VX2457 MHD 75Hz FreeSync 1920x1080p
Case SilverStone Raven RV02B-W + 3x SS AP181 + USB3.0 upgrade
Audio Device(s) Realtek S1220a + Pioneer VSX-531 amp Technics 100W Speaker set
Power Supply Enermax RevolutionXT II 750W 80+ Gold
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard Logitech G105
Software Windows 10 X64 PRO (build 2004)
Benchmark Scores it sucks even more less now ;)
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Messages
271 (0.10/day)
System Name boomer--->zoomer not your typical millenial build
Processor i5-760 @ 3.8ghz + turbo ~goes wayyyyyyyyy fast cuz turboooooz~
Motherboard P55-GD80 ~best motherboard ever designed~
Cooling NH-D15 ~double stack thot twerk all day~
Memory 16GB Crucial Ballistix LP ~memory gone AWOL~
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 970 ~*~GOLDEN EDITION~*~ RAWRRRRRR
Storage 500GB Samsung 850 Evo (OS X, *nix), 128GB Samsung 840 Pro (W10 Pro), 1TB SpinPoint F3 ~best in class
Display(s) ASUS VW246H ~best 24" you've seen *FULL HD* *1O80PP* *SLAPS*~
Case FT02-W ~the W stands for white but it's brushed aluminum except for the disgusting ODD bays; *cries*
Audio Device(s) A LOT
Power Supply 850W EVGA SuperNova G2 ~hot fire like champagne~
Mouse CM Spawn ~cmcz R c00l seth mcfarlane darawss~
Keyboard CM QF Rapid - Browns ~fastrrr kees for fstr teens~
Software integrated into the chassis
Benchmark Scores 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
i cant add no more to this. thanks
Hey @1MistyrRider, no sweat; thanks for your earnest contribution! Forums should express people's experiences, not act as an individual document meant to represent all human experience. Thanks for reaching out!
 
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