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[Tatty_Two]

Maybe I'm wrong but I think vaping is partially aimed at teens. Hence the flavors. Kind of reminds me when Camel put out their flavored cigarettes that appealed to teens. They even had a chocolate flavored cigarette iirc.

Again, I can only speak for the UK but vaping is absolutely and exclusively aimed at smokers, I say aimed, there is no marketing allowed. Rumour has it that both smoking and vaping over here may have a law change regarding minimum age raising it from the current 18 to 21...…. it used to be 16 for smoking in my day.

 

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Well, Walmart plans to stop selling E-Cigarettes in it's stores. Citing the uncertainties associated with vaping and Trump's call to ban sales of most flavors. 8 people are believed to be dead from vaping.

Walmart to Stop Selling All E-Cigarettes

Walmart will stop selling all e-cigarettes in its U.S. stores, citing regulatory uncertainty around the vaping devices after the White House announced plans to ban most flavors.

www.wsj.com

Meanwhile Walmart will continue to sell regular cigarettes which are believed to be responsible for 480,000 deaths in the USA every year including 41,000 deaths from second hand smoke. It is estimated that around 67% of smokers eventually die from it. And 16 million Americans are living with a disease caused by smoking cigarettes.

Fast Facts

See the fast facts regarding smoking and tobacco use.

www.cdc.gov

Smoking causes cancer, heart disease, stroke, lung diseases, diabetes, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis.

Doesn't make any sense to ban E-Cigarettes and not ban cigarettes which are far, far more deadly.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Meanwhile, update from my liquid supplier (again)…………..

You've probably seen the recent reporting of a vape scare in the USA, which we covered on the blog here.

Unfortunately, there has been a lot of misinformation, so we wanted to share the facts with you.

What caused the illnesses?

The FDA has now said that these respiratory illnesses have been caused by the use of a specific substance (Vitamin E Acetate) in unregulated THC/marijuana cartridges. These are illegal in the UK.

What’s the situation in the UK?

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• No E-Cigarette Direct products, or indeed any regulated UK e-liquid, contain the ingredient found in the unregulated THC cartridges that have caused respiratory illnesses in the USA.​
• UK liquids have to be tested and submitted to the MHRA* before being sold in the UK. ​
• The MHRA monitors vaping carefully and has not found any connection between regulated e-liquid and respiratory illnesses, or any other major illnesses. ​
• The UK government, UK scientists and Public Health England have repeated that vaping UK regulated e-liquid is at least 95% safer than smoking. ​

For more information see our article here.

What should you do to be safe?

As always, you should only buy regulated e-liquid from responsible suppliers. A comprehensive list of registered e-liquids which can be found on the MHRA website here.

All the best

The ECD Team

*Medicines and Healthcare Regulatory Authority

 

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Maybe I'm wrong but I think vaping is partially aimed at teens. Hence the flavors. Kind of reminds me when Camel put out their flavored cigarettes that appealed to teens. They even had a chocolate flavored cigarette iirc.

That would make sense if teens wanted flavours while adults preferred unflavoured or tobacco flavoured juice, but that is not the case.
Many smokers who switch to vaping start with tobacco flavours because they think it will help with the transition, but most of them quickly move to more "tasty" juices.

Some companies that make or sell vaping products may target teens in their marketing, but vaping in general, in its modern form, was invented for smokers.

 

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Well, Walmart plans to stop selling E-Cigarettes in it's stores. Citing the uncertainties associated with vaping and Trump's call to ban sales of most flavors. 8 people are believed to be dead from vaping.

Walmart to Stop Selling All E-Cigarettes

Walmart will stop selling all e-cigarettes in its U.S. stores, citing regulatory uncertainty around the vaping devices after the White House announced plans to ban most flavors.

www.wsj.com

Meanwhile Walmart will continue to sell regular cigarettes...

I completely get thier angle... even if I also think it adds fuel to the fire of this absurd moral panic. Nobody's suing Walmart for selling them the cigarettes that would ultimately lead to thier cancer. Most people would call that pretty silly. But there is a very real chance that same could not be said about vapes. You can bet thier legal team is on it and those folks know the game well. Which... man... yeah I don't know what to make of it, but thier actions speak to the mindset behind the issue startlingly well, don't they?

Strange as it truly is... such is the world we live in. So I can understand them not wanting to be sued over something vaping related. And beyond that Walmart tries really hard not to get caught on the wrong side of outcry. Wouldn't be the first time they leaned on empty virtue signalling in order to appear on the right side of things.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

The FDA has now said that these respiratory illnesses have been caused by the use of a specific substance (Vitamin E Acetate) in unregulated THC/marijuana cartridges. These are illegal in the UK.

False. "No single product or substance has been linked to all lung injury cases." Vitamin E acetate was eliminated as a culprit. THC use is present in 77% of cases.

 

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Hydrogen cyanide

Tests show bootleg marijuana vapes tainted with hydrogen cyanide

NBC News commissioned laboratory tests of knock-off marijuana vapes that found a pesticide linked to hydrogen cyanide in 10 out 10 products.

www.nbcnews.com

 

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That 77% is self-reported accounts. I wonder how many of those asked were not willing to say they used thc. Especially considering that right now the focus is on clandestinely made and acquired cartridges.

That's still a pretty large majority either way. If we trust the numbers the vaping side might not even be related. Not to say it's not concerning... but the lumping in may obfuscate the real risk, which may not even have anything to do with flavors for all we know.

I can't pretend to have the answers, but then even the FDA and the CDC aren't making that claim. It's all still under investigation and will be for a while by the looks of things.

My personal opinion... they weren't paying enough attention. And now they're scrambling to figure out what happened. The lack of answers is only spurring panic. Though to be fair it is scary as hell. It's really not like the CDC to be this behind on something. They usually come up with the concise answer in a snap.

Things like this likely wouldn't be happening if we had taken a different route towards oversight and regulation. It's been back and forth between camp "ban it" and camp "wild west" from the start... just spinning our wheels. Somewhere back there was a decent middle ground. But nobody in a position to find it went looking for it... and so far too many things went unchecked.

Hydrogen cyanide

Tests show bootleg marijuana vapes tainted with hydrogen cyanide

NBC News commissioned laboratory tests of knock-off marijuana vapes that found a pesticide linked to hydrogen cyanide in 10 out 10 products.

www.nbcnews.com

Really good find. Thank you for that.

 

[Tatty_Two]

False. "No single product or substance has been linked to all lung injury cases." Vitamin E acetate was eliminated as a culprit. THC use is present in 77% of cases.

Well I just copied and pasted, however you care to look at it, 77% is a solid majority, it all comes across (rightly or wrongly) as "we are not regulating it and if we did we probably wouldn't have any deaths but that takes a little work so let's just ban it instead" It just appears to me that more US Vapours like messing with mixes and it's killing a few of them, again the FDA and Government appear to only care about that 150 dead vapers and choose to disregard the half million a year that die from smoking in your country but if taxable income is more important than life to some, neither you or I can do much about it...….. none of this in any case changes the fact that vaping, and even vaping by messing about with these liquids is hundreds of times safer than smoking, maybe the government across the pond wants all your vapers to quit and go back to smoking? Makes no sense unless of course you are making money out of sick people.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

The point is there's more to the illness and deaths than just THC. THC may be a contributing factor but it's not the only factor.