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850 is required as on Nvidia spec sheet:
Thanks for you reply.Nope
850 is required as on Nvidia spec sheet:
I am not that good with the component and building part of it.
When I tried to put it here: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b7ybcb
It does say that usage is not even 700W, that is why I am mainly asking.
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The RTX 4090 will need a 1000w or possibly more from what I have read.
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Nope
850 is required as on Nvidia spec sheet:
Thats not necessarily true.
I have a friend whos using a RTX 3090 Strix with a 750W PSU + 9900K on water and hes fine.Not sure if he has any OC on his parts but stock does work and hes been using it like that since 2021 december.
Personally I have a RTX 3060 Ti with a 500W PSU and it works with no issues whatsoever, even tho Nvidia says 600-650W minimum.
This ofc also depends on the rest of the system, oced or not,etc.
Thank you for your reply.
I have put together my build with a RTX3090 TI card, and it does show that the usage should be under 750W
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You can undervolt and blah blah. But I don't see why someone spending 1600$ would not upgrade his psu.
And what card would u buy? Is it Ventus/eagle or Evga FTW3 Rog Suprim X
Besides if you use the minimum psu wattage, your psu is going to get hot and noisy. Better get a 1000w so that you enjoy the zero-fan mode.
GPUs sometimes spike to much higher voltages that can turn your PC off. While it is 450w on paper, it can jump to 563w for 20 milliseconds
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You can undervolt and blah blah. But I don't see why someone spending 1600$ would not upgrade his psu.
And what card would u buy? Is it Ventus/eagle or Evga FTW3 Rog Suprim X
Besides if you use the minimum psu wattage, your psu is going to get hot and noisy. Better get a 1000w so that you enjoy the zero-fan mode.
GPUs sometimes spike to much higher voltages that can turn your PC off. While it is 450w on paper, it can jump to 563w for 20 milliseconds
EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti FTW3 Ultra Review
The EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti offers a lot of customization options thanks to its triple BIOS that lets you pick between Normal, OC, and Performance. The massive quad-slot cooler keeps the card at good thermal levels, and the backplate is one of the best we've ever encountered.www.techpowerup.com
I mean I agree that if building from 0 especially with such a high budget then its better to buy a bigger PSU just in case but if he already owns a decent 750W unit then it doesn't hurt to try.
Tho a 3090 Ti might be pushing it too much.
My friend did say that he wants to buy a new PSU at some point but so far it wasn't needed in his case, hes not undervolting anything that I know. 'he can't be arsed'
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His friend psu meets the minimum required wattage. Ti munches 100w more than 3090
You'd certainly need undervolting. What resolution do you play? Is it a 2k 60hz monitor or a 4k 200+hz
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Haha, opps I see, he's getting the Zotac.
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Basically with that psu coupled with the card (psu at full load), you'd be wasting around 150w into heat. Giving you no performance while raising electricity bill/noise/degrading your psu caps
His friend psu meets the minimum required wattage. Ti munches 100w more than 3090
You'd certainly need undervolting. What resolution do you play? Is it a 2k 60hz monitor or a 4k 200+hz
@68Olds
Haha, opps I see, he's getting the Zotac.
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Uh-huh, 679w I see. But PSUs are not 100% efficient
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Basically with that psu coupled with the card (psu at full load), you'd be wasting around 150w into heat. Giving you no performance while raising electricity bill/noise/degrading your psu caps
Agreed, every PSU has a efficiency/power load curve, and generally you need to be about 40% - 60% above the wattage to hit the sweet spot.You can undervolt and blah blah. But I don't see why someone spending 1600$ would not upgrade his psu.
And what card would u buy? Is it Ventus/eagle or Evga FTW3 Rog Suprim X
Besides if you use the minimum psu wattage, your psu is going to get hot and noisy. Better get a 1000w so that you enjoy the zero-fan mode.
GPUs sometimes spike to much higher voltages that can turn your PC off. While it is 450w on paper, it can jump to 563w for 20 milliseconds
EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti FTW3 Ultra Review
The EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti offers a lot of customization options thanks to its triple BIOS that lets you pick between Normal, OC, and Performance. The massive quad-slot cooler keeps the card at good thermal levels, and the backplate is one of the best we've ever encountered.
Best power efficiency is at around 40-60% of system load, so if your system needs 700W, go for a 1000w. You don't have to, but you will find you'll save more on your electricity bill this way.
Another example, My system is a 5600g and an RX 6700 which with all the extras only need about 350 I think, so in that case a 600-700PSU would be ideal.
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@deni2k Hypothetically speaking, if you have a very good 750W PSU and a CPU with relatively low power usage, it might be ok, but Nvidia doesn't recommend it, and I wouldn't recommend it either. You'd get better efficiency and reliability if you run your PSU in its ideal efficiency range, as @Mick77 described.
If you don't want to replace your PSU, you'd be much better-off with an RTX 4080 16GB (which is significantly faster than the RTX 3090 Ti, uses less power, and should be about the same price) or waiting a couple of months to see what AMD has to offer. "a RTX 3090 TI or RTX 4090" seems to me like an odd choice - there's a huge gap in performance between them, which the RTX 4080 16GB should fit into the middle of, with better efficiency and value. I guess an RTX 3090 Ti could make sense for workstation tasks that require a lot of VRAM, but if that's your main priority, you may as well get an RTX 3090 non-Ti or (if your workload doesn't require CUDA and can scale across 2 GPUs) two RX 6800s.
AMD's upcoming RX 7000-series GPUs based on the "RDNA3" microarchitecture are expected to provide significantly better efficiency than Nvidia's RTX 4000-series "Lovelace" microarchitecture for gaming, though Nvidia will likely retain the lead in streaming and workstation tasks. Even if you do want to use this PC for workstation tasks, it's likely to be better to wait for RDNA3, as if AMD significantly undercuts Nvidia (which is likely, based on leaks, which indicate that RDNA3 costs much less to manufacture than Lovelace... though AMD could just decide to match Nvidia's pricing and take a bigger profit margin), Nvidia may have to reduce their own prices in response.
In addition to this, the last two generations of Nvidia GPUs have had reliability problems in the first few weeks after launch, so it's probably not a good idea to buy into the 4000-series any time soon either. The 2000-series had a memory corruption bug which sometimes resulted in the screen being covered with glitchy symbols (sometimes described as "space invaders"), and some 3000-series models had random crashes and were occasionally completely bricked due to using cheap or badly-soldered capacitors.
If you don't want to replace your PSU, you'd be much better-off with an RTX 4080 16GB (which is significantly faster than the RTX 3090 Ti, uses less power, and should be about the same price) or waiting a couple of months to see what AMD has to offer. "a RTX 3090 TI or RTX 4090" seems to me like an odd choice - there's a huge gap in performance between them, which the RTX 4080 16GB should fit into the middle of, with better efficiency and value. I guess an RTX 3090 Ti could make sense for workstation tasks that require a lot of VRAM, but if that's your main priority, you may as well get an RTX 3090 non-Ti or (if your workload doesn't require CUDA and can scale across 2 GPUs) two RX 6800s.
AMD's upcoming RX 7000-series GPUs based on the "RDNA3" microarchitecture are expected to provide significantly better efficiency than Nvidia's RTX 4000-series "Lovelace" microarchitecture for gaming, though Nvidia will likely retain the lead in streaming and workstation tasks. Even if you do want to use this PC for workstation tasks, it's likely to be better to wait for RDNA3, as if AMD significantly undercuts Nvidia (which is likely, based on leaks, which indicate that RDNA3 costs much less to manufacture than Lovelace... though AMD could just decide to match Nvidia's pricing and take a bigger profit margin), Nvidia may have to reduce their own prices in response.
In addition to this, the last two generations of Nvidia GPUs have had reliability problems in the first few weeks after launch, so it's probably not a good idea to buy into the 4000-series any time soon either. The 2000-series had a memory corruption bug which sometimes resulted in the screen being covered with glitchy symbols (sometimes described as "space invaders"), and some 3000-series models had random crashes and were occasionally completely bricked due to using cheap or badly-soldered capacitors.
I think that's only if you have an AIB partner model with a heavy overclock (e.g. one of the rumoured 600W+ models), if you intend to overclock the GPU heavily yourself, or if you have a cheap or badly-designed PSU which can't handle transient power spikes properly without exploding (like a Gigabyte P850GM). The base model/founders-edition RTX 4090 only requires an 850W PSU.
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Yeap, 3090Ti is the least power efficient card you can find in the universe
A 4080 is certainly more performant and consuming 130w less. Enough vram for 4k gaming and not hurting your anticipated pocket
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Zotac GeForce RTX 3090 Ti Amp Extreme Holo Review
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Biggest recorded power use is around 500W for that card. You should also consider staying in your PSU's efficiency range, seeing you will be using the 80+ Gold certificate. Less load on the PSU, less temperature, less fan RPM, more efficiency. I would personally consider a range of 850 - 1000W PSUs. Also take in account that i9 9900k can use around 300W while gaming.