Help!!! Are these temps high for my setup???

[Radi_SVK]

yes but the car isn't running any hotter. it does not matter i have run all sorts of systems ram does not make the cpu hotter its just ram.

since you didn't get the first analogy how about this does a blue car's engine run any hotter than a red one's?

This could just go on and on my friend,peace

 

[pabloottawa]

OK so I tried the 1.325 and on running Linx it BSOD'd on me so I jacked it up 2 notches and ran it at 1.33sumthin and it BSOD'd again. I again ran it on 1.35 and it is running smooth once again but BFBC2 locked up on me and crashed so who knows what that's about. I also noticed that while I was playing, according to Core Temp, my temps on core 0 got to 71 which I found to be pretty high and maybe that happened when the game CTD'd.

Either way, you will all be please to know that upon re tightening my screws and being more careful about the equal tightness of all of them I got better temps. Highest I think was 79... I never went over 80 celcius.

So, for anyone wondering how important it is to carefully and EQUALLY tighten the screws on the H70 retention ring, there you go.

I did find a new tube of arctic silver kicking around but after all this mucking about with temps and bios settings I think I'll stick with the regular stuff for now.

 

[OneMoar]

Intel specs the default voltage for the 930 at 1.375
70c is ok for the a i7
and bc2 is hypersensitive to OC I would't pay it much mind it crashes to desktop even on stock machines
the H70 while good .. does have its limits

 

[cdawall]

Intel specs the default voltage for the 930 at 1.375
70c is ok for the a i7

that is true however 70C is a bit odd on an H70 for cooling.


@op are you sure the screws are all the way down? i have an H70 and H50 both of which need the screws on the mounting plate to be bottomed out if they are not that is probably 90% of the issue. they dont have to be he-manned on but the need to be tight

 

[OneMoar]

that is true however 70C is a bit odd on an H70 for cooling.


@op are you sure the screws are all the way down? i have an H70 and H50 both of which need the screws on the mounting plate to be bottomed out if they are not that is probably 90% of the issue. they dont have to be he-manned on but the need to be tight

to tight and he will crush the pins in the socket rendering his motherboard dead

 

[cdawall]

to tight and he will crush the pins in the socket rendering his motherboard dead

they are spaced to not allow that LGA1366 and 1156 have the same basic socket design and mine didn't crush anything...

 

[OneMoar]

they are spaced to not allow that LGA1366 and 1156 have the same basic socket design and mine didn't crush anything...

they can still be pushed out the back of the motherboard

 

[cdawall]

they can still be pushed out the back of the motherboard

yes thats how the pins are designed the screws go all the way through the motherboard into the back plate. due to how the screw is designed you cannot screw the block down to tight it is not physically possible the threading on the screw stops before you could reach that point. I am telling you cause i own the exact same cooler as him.

 

[PaulieG]

seriously, if you are running 70c+ on bfbc2, then you definately have a problem with the mounting of the cooler or thermal paste, or you have a chip that runs unusually hot.

 

[Laurijan]

I would recommend to remove the cooler and to clean the old thermal paste way and then put a new evenly on both the cooler and the CPU.
I usually use a finger to evenly spread the thermal paste - endresult is a thin even layer of paste.
Then I would press the cooler with moderate force onto the CPU without the screws to see if the thermal paste makes perfect contact when removing the cooler and looking at its surface and the surface of the CPU

 

[pabloottawa]

@ CDAWALL

I'm sure the screws are evenly tightened. I loosened all of them off to the same looseness and then systematically tightened then in a diagonal pattern. Like you said, they are tight but not he-manned on. I'm pretty sure it's flush.

@PAULIEG

I'm running BC2 on a crossfire setup and let me tell you I've done everything under the sun to get that game to work flawlessly but no go!!. It still flickers and screws up however, the instant I disable crossfire it's perfect. I'm really disappointed with AMD for f*cking up the ATI line of cards. They used to be soooooo sweet.

@LAURIJAN

Yes I'm gonna do that for sure but I am now a little cautious of arctic silver and a little tired of troubleshooting the issue. I once re-did my entire video card with it and ended up frying it because some got onto the contacts on the sides of the ram chips and shorted it out sooooo, this time around I'll be extra careful to be sure that there is a really thin layer of the stuff covering the CPU. Also, getting the cooler head onto the chip is a bit tricky with such stiff hoses so I want hold off removing it so that the hoses can "mold" to their orientation. This way, when I do remove it, it will be much easier to reinstall.

For now I'm stuck on stress tests topping out at 81 degrees Celsius and this goes back to my original question;

Will these temps affect the lifespan of the CPU? and ifso, by how much?

Lastly, I have checked my CPU in game and it's really not all that busy so I suppose it's not so bad. BC2 now runs much better at full settings (that's the goal that got me on all this overclocking stuff) with an overclocked chip so I'm getting the feeling that it's a bit more CPU dependent than other games.

I'm still open to suggestions and tips as I really want to get this baby down to below 60 degrees if I can.

Cheers and thanks all

 

[Anusha]

Will these temps affect the lifespan of the CPU? and ifso, by how much?

they say, every 10c added, halves the lifespan.

so if your chip would have 30 years of life at 40c, it would be 15 years at 50c, 7.5 years at 60c etc.

btw, running stress test for a while wouldn't have much effect. this halving happens when running extensively. say if your idle temp is around 60c, you might have a problem because that is the lowest temp you would get. highest would be over 100c, which might not happen unless you stress test, but if games make it run at 80c, then yikes!

just don't worry if stress tests are getting it to 80c. you run it for a few hours just to see if the clocks are stable. it won't have any effect on the lifespan. (but don't let it go above 80c even when stress testing will ya? XD)

 

[PaulieG]

@ CDAWALL

I'm sure the screws are evenly tightened. I loosened all of them off to the same looseness and then systematically tightened then in a diagonal pattern. Like you said, they are tight but not he-manned on. I'm pretty sure it's flush.

@PAULIEG

I'm running BC2 on a crossfire setup and let me tell you I've done everything under the sun to get that game to work flawlessly but no go!!. It still flickers and screws up however, the instant I disable crossfire it's perfect. I'm really disappointed with AMD for f*cking up the ATI line of cards. They used to be soooooo sweet.

@LAURIJAN

Yes I'm gonna do that for sure but I am now a little cautious of arctic silver and a little tired of troubleshooting the issue. I once re-did my entire video card with it and ended up frying it because some got onto the contacts on the sides of the ram chips and shorted it out sooooo, this time around I'll be extra careful to be sure that there is a really thin layer of the stuff covering the CPU. Also, getting the cooler head onto the chip is a bit tricky with such stiff hoses so I want hold off removing it so that the hoses can "mold" to their orientation. This way, when I do remove it, it will be much easier to reinstall.

For now I'm stuck on stress tests topping out at 81 degrees Celsius and this goes back to my original question;

Will these temps affect the lifespan of the CPU? and ifso, by how much?

Lastly, I have checked my CPU in game and it's really not all that busy so I suppose it's not so bad. BC2 now runs much better at full settings (that's the goal that got me on all this overclocking stuff) with an overclocked chip so I'm getting the feeling that it's a bit more CPU dependent than other games.

I'm still open to suggestions and tips as I really want to get this baby down to below 60 degrees if I can.

Cheers and thanks all

Consistent high temps will reduce the lifespan of your cpu. By how much, no one can really say, as there are too many variables, including how often/long is the chip running on high temps etc. I really think your temps are user error with applying thermal paste or mounting of the cooler. If it were me, I'd start over with the whole process. Wipe the cpu clean, reapply, then remount the cooler, making sure it is even and making good contact. I'd be willing to bet that you'd drop 10c at load if you do this correctly.

 

[pabloottawa]

@PAULIEG

Yup. Gonna do that in 2 weeks and then we'll see how that goes. I'm running silent hunter 5 in the background as we speak and idle temps are between 40 and 32, bring the game up and I'm running between 50 and 39 degrees Celcius so I guess it's not so bad.

After I had signed off last night I ran Linx 3 times at the original overclocked settings that I THOUGHT were stable and I got BSOD's every single time. So I set my clock speeds and most of the other settings to auto and it's running stable@ 4.01 GHx now.... Topping out temps of 81 Celsius but stable. I'll take some pics of my settings in case anyone wants to try it.

EDIT, here are the pics

I posted the wrong pics so here they are updated. Have a look and let me know what you think

 

[cadaveca]

I'd be willing to bet that you'd drop 10c at load if you do this correctly.

I'll take that bet. I run 4ghz @ 1.35v, my load temps are 98c. Do I care about those temps?



NOPE.


Here's a pic before IBT has finished a fulll round...already @ 93c.

In my case, it's a bad IHS. the temps there kinda indicate that, with one core 10c lower than the others. Doesn't have to be thermal paste that casuses high temps...

 

[brandonwh64]

why dont you just drop your OC back to stock and leave it until you get temps down?

 

[PaulieG]

I'll take that bet. I run 4ghz @ 1.35v, my load temps are 98c. Do I care about those temps?



NOPE.


Here's a pic before IBT has finished a fulll round...already @ 93c.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=40517&stc=1&d=1296920089

Yes, but he is running into the 80's while gaming. I've never seen temps like that while gaming, not in any game, ever. IBT is a completely different story. I agree that in your case it is a IHS, but the usual suspect is usually paste or mounting, and it would make sense to rule them out.

 

[cadaveca]

Oh, don't get me wrong, normal load temps in BFBC2 ARE 80's for me. 83-86, to be exact. Except for that one core...it's about 6c lower then. Prime95 is 91c-93c.

It's stable at those high temps, and that's all I care about. Things like IMC volts and such can raise cpu temps are fair amount. I mean, I KNOW my own temps are high, but if it dies..well..it dies!

I look at it this way...high cpu speed? CHECK. Dual VGAS? Check. High temps? Check. Normal based on my own expectations? Check.

 

[PaulieG]

Oh, don't get me wrong, normal load temps in BFBC2 ARE 80's for me. 83-86, to be exact. Except for that one core...it's about 6c lower then. Prime95 is 91c-93c.

It's stable at those high temps, and that's all I care about.

Well, how much you care about a chip is partially determined by how long you plan to keep your current setup, and if you have the cash to replace it if the heat causes any damage. Despite what a chip's TJ max may be, I've seen chips die with consistent use just below TJ max. Your "typical" user will only upgrade every 2-3 years, which is a little different than people like you and I who change gear frequently.

 

[cadaveca]

Sure, but you are just stating the obvious.

Personally, I don't care about temps. Are the OP's temps consistent with his cooling, given the clocks and volts?


I think so, 100%.

With that in mind, are his temps high? NO.

Are they close to tjMax? Yep. Should he expect better out of the same cooling? NOPE. Maybe with some new fans his temps might drop a bit, and sure, it's possible that his mount is not the best, but those temps seem about normal to me.

 

[Laurijan]

Sure, but you are just stating the obvious.

Personally, I don't care about temps. Are the OP's temps consistent with his cooling, given the clocks and volts?


I think so, 100%.

With that in mind, are his temps high? NO.

Are they close to tjMax? Yep. Should he expect better out of the same cooling? NOPE. Maybe with some new fans his temps might drop a bit, and sure, it's possible that his mount is not the best, but those temps seem about normal to me.

Dont make his problem worse in telling him all is alright When nothing changes RMA could be soon at hand - and this time, if we are bitchy, the warranty doesnt apply since he uses a third party cooler which sure is better but voids the warranty.

So I highly suggest to fix this before having to say: Dear CPU R.I.P.

 

[PaulieG]

I don't think it's obvious to everyone, especially if someone has limited experience. Dozen's of blown systems from customers who thought they knew what they were doing has taught me that.

I will concede after reading some reviews that these temps are somewhat normal for the H7 with a single fan. To me, that is quite sad, as my Megahalems and Venomous-X barely made it into the 80's on OCCT or LinX, let alone while gaming.

 

[cadaveca]

Dont make his problem worse in telling him all is alright When nothing changes RMA could be soon at hand - and this time, if we are precise, the warranty doesnt apply since he uses a third party cooler which sure is better but voids the warranty.

So I highly suggest to fix this before having to say: Dear CPU R.I.P.

I never said it was OK, but merely that his temps are right where they should be given, his cooling. Better cooling will "fix" the problem, as will lowering clocks/volts. It's up to him to chose which way to go...I chose to take the risk.

And yeah, paulie, the H70 isn't really that good of a cooler. I mean, it's good, but it's not "the best". I chose to use the Noctua cooler over the h70...I have both the H70 and the H50, and am not using either one of them.

 

[Laurijan]

Pabloottawa, if you decide to give a cooler reinstall a go then if Arctic Silver get on some place it does harm, a good way to clean it is with ear-buds and some high alcohol.

I got a spray that contains mostly high alcohol and evaporates fast. This I spray on one end of a ear-bud and start cleaning.

To get a good result one has to use many ear-buds, just throw it way when its too full with thermal paste to clean anymore.

Sometimes the TIM gets also in places where you cant reach with the ear-buds. Then I recommend spraying a little from the high alcohol spray to the spot the TIM is clustered which should flush it out so you can clean it again with ear-buds soaked in high alcohol.

 

[pabloottawa]

Oh for sure I'll always do the alcohol thing to make sure it's perfectly clean. awww screw it I'll try it now. You convinced me. be back in an hour lol