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If they're made credibly they do. Pointless to pay extra just for a plate made for show, especially when it's not even facing you when you look in the case.

Prevents gpu sag regardless. There are a lot of cards that don't have components on the back side. The only place to remove heat would be the back side of the vrm section which probably doesn't need it depending on card.
 
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Prevents gpu sag regardless. There are a lot of cards that don't have components on the back side. The only place to remove heat would be the back side of the vrm section which probably doesn't need it depending on card.

It doesn't need to have components on the back side for a backplate to help displace heat, that's just best case scenario. It can displace quite a lot of heat just from the GPU mounts. Furthermore, sag isn't really an issue on a card as small as a 1060, and a backplate can't really prevent sag on a big card anyway, just warp. The last one OP posted was less than 7" long. I'm trying to stay on topic here, as we ARE talking about a 1060.
 
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TBH I have yet to see a backplate that prevents sag. My previous card (GTX 980 G1 Gaming) had a backplate but that didn't stop it from sagging noticeably.
 
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TBH I have yet to see a backplate that prevents sag. My previous card (GTX 980 G1 Gaming) had a backplate but that didn't stop it from sagging noticeably.

True, they more prevent warp, especially on bigger heavier cards, but you can still get sag and stress on the Pci-Ex slot. That's why I said stiffen, vs prevent sag.

What I did with my Sapphire HD 7970 is use a pencil to support the front end. My case has SSD mount holes on the bottom I'm not using, so I put a silicone grommet that the case came with for mounting an SSD in one of the holes that happens to be right under the front panel side corner of the GPU. I semi sharpened the pencil so the tapered end would stay in the grommet, then put the eraser end under the corner of the GPU cowl, and secured it in place with electrical tape. The length was a perfect fit. Easy no sag fix.
you really don't have to worry too much about heat with the pascal cards. folding 24/7 neither my 1080 or 1060 ever get much above 60c at 40% fan speed. if I bump it up to 100% fan I can get it around 45c.

i haven't tried one of the single fan itx types however.

Well, honestly, end user GPU temp readings have a lot more to do with than just backplates. The case you use makes quite a bit of difference itself.

Temps can also vary between models of cards, whether you factor in mini ones or not.
 
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True, they more prevent warp, especially on bigger heavier cards, but you can still get sag and stress on the Pci-Ex slot. That's why I said stiffen, vs prevent sag.

What I did with my Sapphire HD 7970 is use a pencil to support the front end. My case has SSD mount holes on the bottom I'm not using, so I put a silicone grommet that the case came with for mounting an SSD in one of the holes that happens to be right under the front panel side corner of the GPU. I semi sharpened the pencil so the tapered end would stay in the grommet, then put the eraser end under the corner of the GPU cowl, and secured it in place with electrical tape. The length was a perfect fit. Easy no sag fix.


Well, honestly, end user GPU temp readings have a lot more to do with than just backplates. The case you use makes quite a bit of difference itself.

I use a big stack of 2x2 white lego blocks, works a treat and looks nice too :toast:
 
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I noticed that there is 25 CAD off purchase over 200 if paid by using Paypal.

That'd bring Zotic ITX 1060 6gb down to 295 CAD which would fit within budget. Of course, there is 12 dollars for shipping and tax but let's think about that.

The deadline for the paypal deal is 7th, tomorrow. I am not sure whether I will get a better deal than that.
 
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I use a big stack of 2x2 white lego blocks, works a treat and looks nice too :toast:
LOL, whatever works. One of the reasons I like the pencil though is it takes up very little space, so it makes cleaning the bottom of the case very easy.
That'd bring Zotic ITX 1060 6gb down to below 295 CAD.
I would check reviews on temps of that card first. I've yet to see a mini version of any of the capable GPUs that doesn't have temp issues.
 

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TBH I have yet to see a backplate that prevents sag. My previous card (GTX 980 G1 Gaming) had a backplate but that didn't stop it from sagging noticeably.

The 290x's I have in the shop have a front and back plate that removed all sag.

It doesn't need to have components on the back side for a backplate to help displace heat, that's just best case scenario. It can displace quite a lot of heat just from the GPU mounts. Furthermore, sag isn't really an issue on a card as small as a 1060. The last one OP posted was less than 7" long. I'm trying to stay on topic here, as we ARE talking about a 1060.

No it doesn't holy hell. The screws don't transfer that much heat.
 
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No it doesn't holy hell. The screws don't transfer that much heat.
Yet they DO transfer some, as in "help" dissipate, like I said. Obviously the HS does the lion's share of the work.

I'll add that a backplate is more likely to shed heat than prevent sag like you suggested, and with that I think we're done going off the rails on this subject.
 
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Yet they DO transfer some, as in "help" dissipate, like I said. Obviously the HS does the lion's share of the work.

I'll add that a backplate is more likely to shed heat than prevent sag like you suggested, and with that I think we're done going off the rails on this subject.

Um, it wasn't me who said that.

Anyhow, I am also considering Rx470. I still got time until December.

Edit: RX470 price went down. It's at 230 CAD. Not too bad.
 
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Aye. In that sense 1060 3GB shouldn't be considered which is why RX470 is in the scene since it has 4gb.

The reason my 760 GTX held on for 3 years is probably because it is *60 line GPU. If I had purchased 750ti, I would have replaced it by now. I originally wanted 960 but realized 960 was a failure as a *60 GPU and waited for successor.

1060 6GB would be ideal but then -
Of course, the price... It starts at low 300 but the model I like sits at 380 or something. It''s PNY one.

No the reason your 760 held on for so long is because it's actually a 670 on steroids, and the 670 was a very, very well rounded card already. The higher clock on VRAM was enough to make it stretch its legs even more. People clocked 670's to 680 at stock and they both had ample core oomph. The VRAM upgrade was all they needed to last another gen.

When you go Nvidia x60, the 760 is the exception to the rule. x60 generally isn't as well rounded as that one.

I can completely understand why you'd want the CUDA, but I wouldn't buy it with a 1060 3GB, and even 6GB is meh. Overpriced, not as well rounded and 100% certainly not as future proof as the 760.

RX 470 more GPU for the money. Not just VRAM. Or go back one gen and pick up a cheap GTX 980. Then you've got a lot more CUDA and its on a nice full die with a decent bus width.
 
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TBH I have yet to see a backplate that prevents sag. My previous card (GTX 980 G1 Gaming) had a backplate but that didn't stop it from sagging noticeably.

My Asus R9 280X had zero sag with its backplate, looked very intimidating. My current MSI 970 sags like crazy, but is kept in place with the help of the PCI-E connectors coming from the top, does look a bit funky though.
 
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No the reason your 760 held on for so long is because it's actually a 670 on steroids, and the 670 was a very, very well rounded card already. The higher clock on VRAM was enough to make it stretch its legs even more. People clocked 670's to 680 at stock and they both had ample core oomph. The VRAM upgrade was all they needed to last another gen.

When you go Nvidia x60, the 760 is the exception to the rule. x60 generally isn't as well rounded as that one.

I can completely understand why you'd want the CUDA, but I wouldn't buy it with a 1060 3GB, and even 6GB is meh. Overpriced, not as well rounded and 100% certainly not as future proof as the 760.

RX 470 more GPU for the money. Not just VRAM. Or go back one gen and pick up a cheap GTX 980. Then you've got a lot more CUDA and its on a nice full die with a decent bus width.

I am certainly not going to spend 550+ for 1070. That's 100% sure.

What a decent GPU allows me to do is perform a second render on GPU while CPU is doing one of its own. A decent GPU also allows me to continue modeling while CPU is working. In Blender, each instance is isolated and that I can choose which instance uses CPU or CUDA (Or OpenCL for AMD GPU).

After googling around OpenCL development, it seems OpenCL has gone a long way but still somewhat buggy compared to CUDA.

Before I moved to X99 and E5-2683v3, I used i7-6700 (4770s before that). I wasn't happy with its performance and took a gamble on a secondhand Ebay CPU. The gamble paid off. Now it's time to replace GPU.
Gaming wise, I don't have an issue with 760 actually. It plays all of my frequent games without me noticing lag. But that 2gb vRAM is killer and is why I am, at this point, not even considering 1060 3gb.

RX470 has gotten cheaper but 8gb one costs as much as 1060 6gb.
1050ti is also an option as well as 1060 6gb.
It will depend on what kind of deal I could find around December. Personally, I prefer sticking with CUDA but I am not afraid of going OpenCL.
 
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My Asus R9 280X had zero sag with its backplate...
It really depends on the size/weight of card, and the backplate used. Just saying they don't automatically prevent sag.
 
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i would think a backplate they isnt heat sinked directly to components on the circuit board would cause the card to run hotter than a card that dosnt have one..

in fact i am sure it would.. backplates just for show aint really a good idea..

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vRAM has more weight in my decision, so no. If I have a choice between 1060 6gb and 480 4gb, I will choose 6gb over 4gb.

I've choked off 1060 3gb.

At the moment, I am leaning toward 470. 1060 feels overkill for my needs. I am still googling around for OpenCL performance and issues.
 
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Well, just to update everyone, my decision has been made.

I am going for PNY 1060 6gb model. I am just waiting for some sort of deal for it and will likely buy it in late November to early December. Probably on black friday.

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