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Help for choosing a CPU with RTX 3070 FE

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Hello ,
With the release of the latest processors I am really lost and would like some help choosing my latest components.
Currently I bought:
  • Noctua DH-15
  • PSU Corsair RM750
  • RTX 3070 FE
Now I have to change my i5 2500k CPU with 16GB DDR3.
Here are the four planned builds:
  • Ryzen 3600 + B550 Tomahawk or F Gaming + 16 GB DDR4 Ballistix 3200mhz.
  • Ryzen 3700x + B550 Tomahawk or F Gaming + 16 GB DDR4 Ballistix 3200mhz.
  • Intel i5 10400f + B460 + 16 GB DDR4 Ballistix 3200mhz.
  • Intel i5 10600kf + Z490 + 16 GB DDR4 Ballistix 3200mhz.
I want to have a good quality / price ratio knowing that I only do games in 1440p 75mhz, no streams or other heavy activities. (Just multitasking on 2 screens)
Do you have any advice? The Z490 seems too expensive to me with the lack of PCI 4.0, too bad because the i5 10600kf has dropped in price. I would tend to go for AMD for PCI 4.0
 
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http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/Asus-Prime-B560-Plus_82_56839.html
Asus Prime B560-Plus $127.95

Intel Core i5-11400F $174.99

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164176
Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz 16GB (8GBx2) CL16 $88.99

https://www.adorama.com/inbx8781170f.html
Intel Core i7-11700F $365.49


 
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@Why_Me and @BarbaricSoul
Thanks for your advice, I'm quite annoying because the performance difference between 3600 and 10600kf is not crazy compared to the price difference
currently i can have a :
Ryzen 3600 + MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max + 2x8GB Ballistix DDR4 3200mhz for $ 432
Or
i5 10600kf + MSI Z490 - A Pro + 2x8GB DDR4 ballistix 3600mhz for $ 515

What do you think ?
 
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11400f or 10400f.
Seeing as you already bought the NH-D15, you might asw go with the 11400f as the NH-D15 will have no trouble handling the 200W+ from the 11400f.

(It'd also give you PCIe 4.0 for the GPU and the first m.2.)
 

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Thanks for your advice I didn't consider the 11400f at all, I had a bad opinion on the very limited memory speed limitation on the 10400f.

I'll read up on the subject.
 
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@Why_Me and @BarbaricSoul
Thanks for your advice, I'm quite annoying because the performance difference between 3600 and 10600kf is not crazy compared to the price difference
currently i can have a :
Ryzen 3600 + MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max + 2x8GB Ballistix DDR4 3200mhz for $ 432
Or
i5 10600kf + MSI Z490 - A Pro + 2x8GB DDR4 ballistix 3600mhz for $ 515

What do you think ?
What country are you located because that makes a difference depending on your budget and current stock/prices, etc ...
 

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It would be for a purchase in France but I could see that it is interesting to buy in Germany or in Spain for example
 
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11400f ties with the 10600k (for gaming), is cheaper and better for productivity (if you dont mind the extra power consumption).
Seeing as the OP's already got the NH-D15 the power consumption is a nonissue because the NH-D15 is more than competent at handling a 200W 14nm part, so I see no reason to go with the 10600k. The only other option I can see is the 10400f which should be even cheaper, but given a build of this caliber idt the extra $15 savings would matter.
 
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I would just go one extra mile and get the 10700F + B560 combo for the longevity of the system, there is really no point to overclock with Intel 10th and 11th gen anymore.
 
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It would be for a purchase in France but I could see that it is interesting to buy in Germany or in Spain for example
B560 board + 11400F, Z590 board + 11600KF, 570/B550 board + 3600, 570/B550 + 5600X. Time to start a poll. :)

https://www.materiel.net/produit/202003040051.html
Intel Core i5 10400F 169€96

Intel Core i5 11400F 209€95

https://www.materiel.net/produit/202103160171.html
AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (no cooler) 219€95

https://www.materiel.net/produit/202003040070.html
Intel Core i5 10600KF 239€95

https://www.materiel.net/produit/202102190008.html
Intel Core i5 11600KF 299€95

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X (no cooler) 379€94

I would just go one extra mile and get the 10700F + B560 combo for the longevity of the system, there is really no point to overclock with Intel 10th and 11th gen anymore.
https://www.materiel.net/produit/202003040077.html
Intel Core i7 10700F 369€95

https://www.materiel.net/produit/202103170033.html
Intel Core i7 11700F 399€95

get the second option, Ryzen 3600,its the best price to performance ratio for your build
I don't think I've ever seen you make a bad post during my short time on here so I'm guessing there's some logic behind that reasoning but tbh I'm not seeing it.
 
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For 1440/75hz get whatever is the cheapest option they will all perform about the same.

As long as it's at least 6 core 12 threads.
 
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I'd go this route.

https://www.materiel.net/produit/202103100127.html
Gigabyte B560M Aorus ELITE 149€95

https://www.materiel.net/produit/202102150057.html
Intel Core i5 11400F 209€95

https://www.materiel.net/produit/202001270100.html
Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz 16GB (8GBx2) CL16 127€94

GIGABYTE B560M Aorus Elite

 
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For your current use, all of these options are going to have equal performance in games. Given the price savings of the 10400F, that would be the CPU I recommend. Take the extra cash and save it for when CPUs with a larger performance gain release.

"I would just go one extra mile and get the 10700F + B560 combo for the longevity of the system, there is really no point to overclock with Intel 10th and 11th gen anymore."

With a B Class motherboard (which will hamper the 10700F's performance) he'd be looking at maybe 4% extra performance sometime in the future. The real future proofing is buying the 10400F and simply taking the money he saved and pocketing it. 5 Years from now he can then pay off 65% of his next CPU with the save money alone and reap a much larger IPC and core count benefit. Now that is future proofing.
 
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For your current use, all of these options are going to have equal performance in games. Given the price savings of the 10400F, that would be the CPU I recommend. Take the extra cash and save it for when CPUs with a larger performance gain release.

"I would just go one extra mile and get the 10700F + B560 combo for the longevity of the system, there is really no point to overclock with Intel 10th and 11th gen anymore."

With a B Class motherboard (which will hamper the 10700F's performance) he'd be looking at maybe 4% extra performance sometime in the future. The real future proofing is buying the 10400F and simply taking the money he saved and pocketing it. 5 Years from now he can then pay off 65% of his next CPU with the save money alone and reap a much larger IPC and core count benefit. Now that is future proofing.
How would a B560 board hamper the 10700F?
 
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How would a B560 board hamper the 10700F?

A majority of the Z class motherboards push Intel CPUs beyond spec. Intel base specs only state a turbo of 30 seconds and the 10700F has a "TDP" of 60W. B Class by their nature of being cheaper cut corners and one of those is more restrictive power limits and cheaper VRMs.

Reviews are done with the absolute best and Intel's 10000 series are power hogs which is why getting the performance stated in benchmarks in unlikely on a lower end motherboard with likely low to mid range cooling. Heck, even a decent amount of Z class motherboards do a pretty poor job. As HardwareUnboxed has demonstrated, the VRM on some boards reach dangerous levels and throttle.

The 10400F not only uses less power, for anyone not rocking a 3090 it's more than enough for the vast majority of people.
 
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I'd go 1600KF. Nothing less and nothing more than that. Solid performance for the buck if you are not considering AMD. I would go for a build that is the cheapest in your region.
 
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A majority of the Z class motherboards push Intel CPUs beyond spec. Intel base specs only state a turbo of 30 seconds and the 10700F has a "TDP" of 60W. B Class by their nature of being cheaper cut corners and one of those is more restrictive power limits and cheaper VRMs.

Reviews are done with the absolute best and Intel's 10000 series are power hogs which is why getting the performance stated in benchmarks in unlikely on a lower end motherboard with likely low to mid range cooling. Heck, even a decent amount of Z class motherboards do a pretty poor job. As HardwareUnboxed has demonstrated, the VRM on some boards reach dangerous levels and throttle.

The 10400F not only uses less power, for anyone not rocking a 3090 it's more than enough for the vast majority of people.
This guy goes into the B560 power limit starting @ the 2:40 mark in this vid.



MSI B560 Tomahawk + i5-11400F + DDR4-3200 with power limits turned off.


 
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For your current use, all of these options are going to have equal performance in games. Given the price savings of the 10400F, that would be the CPU I recommend. Take the extra cash and save it for when CPUs with a larger performance gain release.

"I would just go one extra mile and get the 10700F + B560 combo for the longevity of the system, there is really no point to overclock with Intel 10th and 11th gen anymore."

With a B Class motherboard (which will hamper the 10700F's performance) he'd be looking at maybe 4% extra performance sometime in the future. The real future proofing is buying the 10400F and simply taking the money he saved and pocketing it. 5 Years from now he can then pay off 65% of his next CPU with the save money alone and reap a much larger IPC and core count benefit. Now that is future proofing.

Reasons why 10700F is better than 10400F:

_Spending 100usd more to get 5-10% more performance is well worth it for a 2000usd rig (well the 3070 alone is 1500usd LOL).
_The performance gap between 6 cores and 8 cores CPU will continue to rise in the future, since newer games will utilize more cores.
_There is really no need to waste money upgrading to any Intel 10th or 11th gen CPU from 10700F. If you bought 10400F now then sell it to buy 10900F in the future, you will have to fork out 200usd for 5-10% higher FPS than an 10700F. Save some cash now only to spend more later is not an ideal solution, especially since OP can afford the 10700F.


And any B560 or H570 board can handle 10700F just fine in gaming, there is no need to spend extra for VRM since these 8 cores CPUs only use 80-100W during gaming. If OP is using his rig for rendering or production he would be better off with a 3900X anyways.

PS: 10700F is only 270usd on amazon right now.
 
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Thank you (@nguyen , @Why_Me , @ratirt , @evernessince @Selaya , @oxrufiioxo ) for your answers here are currently the prices of processors including postage:
- Ryzen 3600 - 201 €
- i5 10400f - 145 €
- i5 11400f - 179€
- i5 10600kf - 195 €
- i7 10700 - 265 €
- i7 10700kf - € 295
- Ryzen 3700x - € 295

What is blocking most often is the motherboard in Z490 or Z590 for INTEL. The B550 motherboards are inexpensive with a price in the 130 € instead of 170 € for the Z490 and 190 € for the Z590.

I currently have an i5 2500k despite the OC possibilities I have never performed this action, it is something that worries me so the OC option is in my opinion unnecessary for me.

My PC is 10 years old with just the purchase of a GTX 1060 6GB 3 years ago. The goal is to have a good time with this new configuration especially for games like the total war series where I spend the most time playing.
 
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