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Help in overclocking the AMD Ryzen 7 7700 in ASUS TUF B650-PLUS WiFi Mobo

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Hi, I'll soon build a new system based on the AMD Ryzen 7 7700 because an old system of mine went south. I just bought the CPU, the mobo, and the RAM and I'll reuse all the other stuff like disks, video card, PSU, Case ...etc.

Quick Specs:
AMD Ryzen 7 7700
ASUS TUF B650-PLUS WiFi
CORSAIR VENGEANCE DDR5 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 6000
1TB Samsung 990 Pro SSD
GTX 1080
2 Fan Corsair H100 AIO Cooler
750 Watt PSU

I bought mid-range parts since this will be for the family, but I still want to overclock the 7700 since it is overclockable. This will not be an extreme overclock, but something to gain free more performance and as an exercise for overclocking my next build which will be based on a threadripper.

What I know:
Increase the cpu multiplier and check for stability (P95, Intel burn test, ....etc). If stable, increase the multiplier again and keep doing it until it is not stable anymore.
Increase Vcore and retest for stability. Once stable increase the multiplier again until it is not stable.
Keep repeating until I reach the max overclock.
Go back few increments to be in the safe side.
Of course I need to monitor temperatures when I do this (Coretemp, speedfan,...etc)
What I don't know and never used:
PBO
Load line calibration
Memory overclock
All the other advanced overclocking stuff

Is there a guide for overclocking an AMD 7000 series cpu? Or just give me general guidance here by pointing out the most important settings I need to mess with. Thanks in advance.
 
You can do a manual overclock for an all core constant overclock the way you described but that's not what people do these days.

Enable XMP or EXPO for your RAM and undervolting the cpu for higher auto boost is the most common practice these days.
 
You can do a manual overclock for an all core constant overclock the way you described but that's not what people do these days.

Enable XMP or EXPO for your RAM and undervolting the cpu for higher auto boost is the most common practice these days.
That's why I asked. I want to know the most common practice. Will this usually get me a better overclock compared to manual?
 
My personal opinion; don't OC manually, just enable PBO and put +200 to its max boost. Then fine-tune the curve optimizer to its maximum stable negative value.

That's why I asked. I want to know the most common practice. Will this usually get me a better overclock compared to manual?
Better performance with less-threaded use (like gaming). Maybe some heavy threaded software perform better with all-core OC, but that's usually not the best way to go with Ryzens.
 
I just assembled the computer. The CPU reaches 75+ degrees under load at stock settings even with an AIO. There is not much headroom. Is that normal to you with a 7700? The boot drive happened to be defective, so I'll have to replace it, reinstall windows again and then experiment with overclocking.
 
I just assembled the computer. The CPU reaches 75+ degrees under load at stock settings even with an AIO. There is not much headroom. Is that normal to you with a 7700? The boot drive happened to be defective, so I'll have to replace it, reinstall windows again and then experiment with overclocking.
Nowdays the old static OC has been abandoned. Not because of the performance results, if its bad or not, but because of the risk of damaging the CPU longterm.
These modern super complex and fully dynamic chips have internal protection systems including dozens of temperature, voltage and most importantly current sensors that are monitored constantly and then adjusting speed and voltage at least 50times/sec. When you put the CPU at static speed and voltage you by pass the integrated silicon health management.
Different types of loads require very different levels of speed and voltage for silicon health to be preserved longterm.

Your best bet to increase performance is PBO settings, and I dont mean just to set PBO to "Enabled".
For best results, PBO should be set to advanced mode for each setting to be manually adjusted.
Just for the record the R7 7700 has a max allowed operating temperature at 95C. So hitting 75~80C is very normal.
Even with best cooling applied 80C or even higher is common as the CPU has aggressive boosting compared to pre-Ryzen era.
According to AMD these CPUs are set to hit maximum allowed temperature (95C) if the rest of the limits have headroom, like power and current limits.
The R7 7700 has rather low default limits (PPT, EDC and TDC) compared to other.

PPT: 88W (max allowed socket power, Watt)
EDC: 90A (max allowed socket current, Ampere)
TDC: 60A (max allowed socket current under VRM overheat, Ampere)

These can be adjusted from PBO (advanced) settings.
In there you can adjust the max boost limit (+/-200MHz) and of course the best tools of all, the CurveOptimizer for tuning the Voltage/Frequency curve.

From your first post I understand that you're not familiar with any of these terms, what exactly mean and how to start tuning them.
You have some research ahead.

You also need to ask yourself
Are you interested to gain performance and tune the CPU the best way for your everyday tasks or to run all core benchmarks and be proud of the results.
Are you gaming, editing, rendering?
Are you interested mostly for single core or all core performance?

First you replace you defective drive, get the system up to a stable default condition and take your time to get to know whats what.

A great monitoring tool to get you started on your system specifics is HWiNFO64 (sensors mode)
A bit overwhelming at first but a real tool of system status for everyday or running tests.

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Nowdays the old static OC has been abandoned. Not because of the performance results, if its bad or not, but because of the risk of damaging the CPU longterm.
These modern super complex and fully dynamic chips have internal protection systems including dozens of temperature, voltage and most importantly current sensors that are monitored constantly and then adjusting speed and voltage at least 50times/sec. When you put the CPU at static speed and voltage you by pass the integrated silicon health management.
Different types of loads require very different levels of speed and voltage for silicon health to be preserved longterm.

Your best bet to increase performance is PBO settings, and I dont mean just to set PBO to "Enabled".
For best results, PBO should be set to advanced mode for each setting to be manually adjusted.
Just for the record the R7 7700 has a max allowed operating temperature at 95C. So hitting 75~80C is very normal.
Even with best cooling applied 80C or even higher is common as the CPU has aggressive boosting compared to pre-Ryzen era.
According to AMD these CPUs are set to hit maximum allowed temperature (95C) if the rest of the limits have headroom, like power and current limits.
The R7 7700 has rather low default limits (PPT, EDC and TDC) compared to other.

PPT: 88W (max allowed socket power, Watt)
EDC: 90A (max allowed socket current, Ampere)
TDC: 60A (max allowed socket current under VRM overheat, Ampere)

These can be adjusted from PBO (advanced) settings.
In there you can adjust the max boost limit (+/-200MHz) and of course the best tools of all, the CurveOptimizer for tuning the Voltage/Frequency curve.

From your first post I understand that you're not familiar with any of these terms, what exactly mean and how to start tuning them.
You have some research ahead.

You also need to ask yourself
Are you interested to gain performance and tune the CPU the best way for your everyday tasks or to run all core benchmarks and be proud of the results.
Are you gaming, editing, rendering?
Are you interested mostly for single core or all core performance?

First you replace you defective drive, get the system up to a stable default condition and take your time to get to know whats what.

A great monitoring tool to get you started on your system specifics is HWiNFO64 (sensors mode)
A bit overwhelming at first but a real tool of system status for everyday or running tests.

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This is very informative and valuable post. Thank you my friend. I can see that it is smarter and more efficient (better optimization) to let PBO do its thing and boost to the maximum it can get to when it is exactly needed, and let the cpu rest and save power when it is not needed.

Regarding your questions,
1- For this system I want to gain free performance. I don't want to win benchmarks of course. But like I said before, I want to use this as an exercise to perform an extreme overclock of my coming threadripper system. This coming system is different and yes I want benchmarks numbers and also want to brag about it. But, now that you explained about modern cpus, an all core static overclock may not be the smartest option but I'll leave that for the future.
2- No, not really gaming only occasionally. This is a secondary machine mostly for productivity.
3- This is kinda of hard to answer. I want both but you can't really get the best of the two worlds here. You will have to make a preference. If I have to choose I will say all core, but at the end not all apps utilize many cores, so you maybe you are better of with single core.

I replaced the drive. Windows 11 is up and running and I started benching. I'm installing apps and doing configuration after which I will image the whole drive for faster recovery if the machine acts up. I will start overclocking after I create my first image.

Thanks again.
 
This is very informative and valuable post. Thank you my friend. I can see that it is smarter and more efficient (better optimization) to let PBO do its thing and boost to the maximum it can get to when it is exactly needed, and let the cpu rest and save power when it is not needed.

Regarding your questions,
1- For this system I want to gain free performance. I don't want to win benchmarks of course. But like I said before, I want to use this as an exercise to perform an extreme overclock of my coming threadripper system. This coming system is different and yes I want benchmarks numbers and also want to brag about it. But, now that you explained about modern cpus, an all core static overclock may not be the smartest option but I'll leave that for the future.
2- No, not really gaming only occasionally. This is a secondary machine mostly for productivity.
3- This is kinda of hard to answer. I want both but you can't really get the best of the two worlds here. You will have to make a preference. If I have to choose I will say all core, but at the end not all apps utilize many cores, so you maybe you are better of with single core.

I replaced the drive. Windows 11 is up and running and I started benching. I'm installing apps and doing configuration after which I will image the whole drive for faster recovery if the machine acts up. I will start overclocking after I create my first image.

Thanks again.
You're at the wrong forum for competitive overclocking and benchmarking. Might be a few people here to help, but most don't push beyond factory specs as you've witnessed above.

If you are strictly going for benchmark scores, you don't need a gaming stable system. It only needs to be stable to run the benchmark. Daily clocks should differ greatly from bench clocks. Thats normal.

Memory and Infinity Fabric speeds are just as important as cpu clocks and gpu clocks. There's also a lot of tweaks for better scores.

Is this for a hwbot profile?
 
Why is it in the wrong forum? This is the overclocking sub-forum of techpowerup. I just want to gain free performance out of my Ryzen 7 7700 system. Nothing extreme. Even for my future threadripper system, I don't plan to achieve temporary benchmark numbers with liquid nitrogen for example or anything like that. What I want is the max usable/practical overclock suitable for everyday use machine. That's different from reaching high clocks temporary just for records. I'm sure you have seen the videos about the huge potential of new threadrippers chips for overclocking. I want to utilize this potential. Maybe I can reach 70% or 80% of what top overclockers reached.

For this current build though, it is much less hardcore.
 

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Why is it in the wrong forum? This is the overclocking sub-forum of techpowerup. I just want to gain free performance out of my Ryzen 7 7700 system. Nothing extreme. Even for my future threadripper system, I don't plan to achieve temporary benchmark numbers with liquid nitrogen for example or anything like that. What I want is the max usable/practical overclock suitable for everyday use machine. That's different from reaching high clocks temporary just for records. I'm sure you have seen the videos about the huge potential of new threadrippers chips for overclocking. I want to utilize this potential. Maybe I can reach 70% or 80% of what top overclockers reached.

For this current build though, it is much less hardcore.
Ok, I meant wrong website. 99.9980% of users here, do not engage in direct competitive benchmarking. Is this better wording?

Use for daily, you would bench those stable daily clocks and fit right in with the regulars!!

Don't worry, I don't use LN2 that much anymore because of the cost of it. 100$ for 10L in my area.

So, OC PBO and then try manual. Your limit first and foremost is cooling. So people on average coolers tend to under-volt and see some minor gains perhaps. PBO is only 200mhz. 9000 series chips from the box are much faster. So you'll pit up against faster processors. In some benchmarks, the cpu won't matter as much, others the cpu matters much more.

But now I have an understanding, you are Not planning to actually do competitive overclocking, I'll digress and let these dudes help you.

GLHF!!!
 
This is very informative and valuable post. Thank you my friend. I can see that it is smarter and more efficient (better optimization) to let PBO do its thing and boost to the maximum it can get to when it is exactly needed, and let the cpu rest and save power when it is not needed.

Regarding your questions,
1- For this system I want to gain free performance. I don't want to win benchmarks of course. But like I said before, I want to use this as an exercise to perform an extreme overclock of my coming threadripper system. This coming system is different and yes I want benchmarks numbers and also want to brag about it. But, now that you explained about modern cpus, an all core static overclock may not be the smartest option but I'll leave that for the future.
2- No, not really gaming only occasionally. This is a secondary machine mostly for productivity.
3- This is kinda of hard to answer. I want both but you can't really get the best of the two worlds here. You will have to make a preference. If I have to choose I will say all core, but at the end not all apps utilize many cores, so you maybe you are better of with single core.

I replaced the drive. Windows 11 is up and running and I started benching. I'm installing apps and doing configuration after which I will image the whole drive for faster recovery if the machine acts up. I will start overclocking after I create my first image.

Thanks again.
My suggestion:

Since productivity is the main usage for this PC then the best way is to increase PBO limits (Power, Current) to the point you can keep it cool in reasonable levels, and then try to get the maximum out of the CPU CurveOptimizer. Max boost overdrive should be kept at default as this benefits single/low thread/core count loads like gaming while it interferes negatively on the undervolt you will try through CurveOptimizer. DRAM tuning is not necessary either.
First you need to confirm that system is stable with default settings. Dont just run benchmarks and stress test. Use it also normaly at every day tasks and/or productivity ones for a few days.

Maybe a few screenshots of full screen HWiNFO, like the one belw while the system is running all core tests. Something like CPU-Z stress, Cinebench R23, R24, OCCT....
Just to see the system in action and we will go from there. Like @ShrimpBrime said, the main limit here is temperature and how high you're willing to run it (up to 95C) during your productivity tasks.

This is an example of my 9700X on a relatively light all core load (CPU-Z stress test) with a few points of interest.

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My 9700X has the same or close default PBO values (PPT, TDC, EDC) as your 7700 but I have them configured to my preference.

The best way to capture these screenshots is to start the whatever test run (continuous run preferably) and then hit the clock button down-right (marked in screenshot) so that all sensor metrics reset values. This way you're capturing the values from only the test run and nothing from previously.
This screenshot is only after 2min as the clock indicates.

Also another suggestion I have for HWiNFO's main settings (on system tray) is to enable "Snapshot CPU Polling"
Here is the description of it

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Here is a simple example of the CPU working within the exact same settings and behave very differently in terms of speed/voltage just becasue the load type is very different.
This is the main reason why these CPUs should not be configured at static speeds/voltages when the system will run different types of tasks in the course of its usage.

1. The same run of CPU-Z stress test
Avg speed: 5.45GHz
CPU voltage: 1.26~1.27V

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2. A run of OCCT
Avg speed: 4.9GHz
CPU voltage: 1.07~1.08V

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In both runs the CPU power draw is 140W (PPT) and temperature is around the same, but has totally different current (EDC) running through it.
More current = more silicon stress, hence the lower speed and voltage on the 2nd.
I hope the point is made. CPU management has become quite complex today in order to maximize performance and keeping longevity.
 
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I'll do it today and see. Since the default values are low as you said, what values do you recommend for

PPT:
EDC:
TDC:

? Something to start with?
 
I'll do it today and see. Since the default values are low as you said, what values do you recommend for

PPT:
EDC:
TDC:

? Something to start with?
Maybe first you create your default database.
Run all the tests you’re interested in and take screenshots of HWiNFO of each test and have them as the starting point, along with any score achieved.
Also it would be nice to see at least 1 screenshot of HWiNFO with the way I previously described during a test just to see the metrics and how it is behaving at 88W, before starting the suggestions.
That’s my quirk. I don’t like to start specific advices before I know what I’m dealing with.
Your CPU cooling is a 240mm AIO, right?
 
Yeah, my AIO is 240mm.
Not the best for sure, but we'll see how it deals with the heat.
AM5 CPUs are relatively difficult to cool, compared to AM4 and Intel when we are comparing the same power consumption (=same amount of heat).
 
Not the best for sure, but we'll see how it deals with the heat.
AM5 CPUs are relatively difficult to cool, compared to AM4 and Intel when we are comparing the same power consumption (=same amount of heat).
Yeah I can go better with the AIO, but it is what I have from the old system, not worth it to buy another one. Here is a screenshot with CPUZ stress test.
 

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Yeah I can go better with the AIO, but it is what I have from the old system, not worth it to buy another one. Here is a screenshot with CPUZ stress test.
Before anything, a RAM and other speed observations.
Your RAM (memory clock) is not running at XMP/EXPO advertised speed of 6000MT/s (3000MHz) but only at 4800MT/s (2400MHz).
The memory controller (UCLK) is sync with it at same speed. Also the (FCLK) CPU interconnection (inside socket) is also a bit low at 1800MHz

Those 3 speeds should run at 2000:3000:3000 (FCLK:UCLK:MCLK)
You have to enable XMP/EXPO 6000 profile in BIOS. That will set MCLK at 3000 and UCLK will follow it at same speed if UCLK=MCLK setting is enabled.
Be aware that this setting is not set at UCLK=MCLK/2 or this will drop UCLK at 1500MHz when MCLK is at 3000MHz.
Set manually FCLK at 2000MHz.
All these should be at the "Tweaker" page in your BIOS (advanced mode).

After those settings and before anything else you need to confirm that the system is still stable, (Run tests and use it normally also). This is needed because sometimes board-CPU-RAM combos are not playing well with each other when XMP/EXPO profiles are enabled.

When stability is confirmed go to "AMD Overclocking" section and find PBO (Precision Boost Overdrive) and set it to advanced mode >> manual.
Here you have almost everything CPU related under you control.
You can set PPT/TDC/EDC

Looks like your default values are
PPT: 88W
TDC: 75A
EDC: 150A

I wouldnt try more than 95~100W for PPT bacuse your cooler is not one of the best out there.
EDC is not needed that high.

I would try first for
PPT: 95W
TDC: 85A
EDC: 100A

Keep "Max Boost Override" at default
Keep "Scalar" at Auto or X1. This one, if set to anything else than X1 (like x2~x10), literally is bypassing the AMD silicon health management.

Go into the CurveOptimizer and enabled it for "All Cores"
Set it to "Negative" and the "Magnitude" to 20
This means that you're lowering the CPU voltage/frequency curve by 20 steps. Its like undervolting the CPU by about 3~5mV x20 = -60~100mV
But... Because the CPU is configured to work always at max performance according to what ever load is at hand it will cause it to boost higher at the same voltage.
So at the end it is overclocking through undervolting. This helps a lot for all core productivity tasks.
On your screenshot you run CPU-Z all core stress test and the CPU speed is just under 5GHz. After -20 at curve optimizer you should see more than 5GHz and a higher than 7361 score.
The max single core boost will remain the same at 5.3GHz.

Something else minor
Your system's main bus clock is at 99.8MHz. This normally should be at even 100MHz
Find a setting called "Spread Spectrum" and disabled it and it will show 100MHz.

Unfortunately I am not familiar at all with ASUS BIOS layout (at AM4/AM5) and can't guide you where exactly to find everything.
 
Before anything, a RAM and other speed observations.
Your RAM (memory clock) is not running at XMP/EXPO advertised speed of 6000MT/s (3000MHz) but only at 4800MT/s (2400MHz).
The memory controller (UCLK) is sync with it at same speed. Also the (FCLK) CPU interconnection (inside socket) is also a bit low at 1800MHz

Those 3 speeds should run at 2000:3000:3000 (FCLK:UCLK:MCLK)
You have to enable XMP/EXPO 6000 profile in BIOS. That will set MCLK at 3000 and UCLK will follow it at same speed if UCLK=MCLK setting is enabled.
Be aware that this setting is not set at UCLK=MCLK/2 or this will drop UCLK at 1500MHz when MCLK is at 3000MHz.
Set manually FCLK at 2000MHz.
All these should be at the "Tweaker" page in your BIOS (advanced mode).

After those settings and before anything else you need to confirm that the system is still stable, (Run tests and use it normally also). This is needed because sometimes board-CPU-RAM combos are not playing well with each other when XMP/EXPO profiles are enabled.

When stability is confirmed go to "AMD Overclocking" section and find PBO (Precision Boost Overdrive) and set it to advanced mode >> manual.
Here you have almost everything CPU related under you control.
You can set PPT/TDC/EDC

Looks like your default values are
PPT: 88W
TDC: 75A
EDC: 150A

I wouldnt try more than 95~100W for PPT bacuse your cooler is not one of the best out there.
EDC is not needed that high.

I would try first for
PPT: 95W
TDC: 85A
EDC: 100A

Keep "Max Boost Override" at default
Keep "Scalar" at Auto or X1. This one, if set to anything else than X1 (like x2~x10), literally is bypassing the AMD silicon health management.

Go into the CurveOptimizer and enabled it for "All Cores"
Set it to "Negative" and the "Magnitude" to 20
This means that you're lowering the CPU voltage/frequency curve by 20 steps. Its like undervolting the CPU by about 3~5mV x20 = -60~100mV
But... Because the CPU is configured to work always at max performance according to what ever load is at hand it will cause it to boost higher at the same voltage.
So at the end it is overclocking through undervolting. This helps a lot for all core productivity tasks.
On your screenshot you run CPU-Z all core stress test and the CPU speed is just under 5GHz. After -20 at curve optimizer you should see more than 5GHz and a higher than 7361 score.
The max single core boost will remain the same at 5.3GHz.

Something else minor
Your system's main bus clock is at 99.8MHz. This normally should be at even 100MHz
Find a setting called "Spread Spectrum" and disabled it and it will show 100MHz.

Unfortunately I am not familiar at all with ASUS BIOS layout (at AM4/AM5) and can't guide you where exactly to find everything.
Thanks buddy. Yeah I still didn't enable EXPO as I haven't entered the BIOS yet. Everything is at default. I'll come back after I overclock. Thanks again.
 
Thanks buddy. Yeah I still didn't enable EXPO as I haven't entered the BIOS yet. Everything is at default. I'll come back after I overclock. Thanks again.
Its ok... 1 step at the time is good practice. Not fast, but good.
Its better to confirm stability before going to the next step.
 
I built a PC for a friend that had a 7700 in, I ended up running the 7700X PPT/TDC/EDC and +200 Mhz and -30 all core which improved things quite a lot. Would be like high 80s in the absolute worst case scenario but for gaming or benchmarks it was 60-70s with a Thermalright Phantom Spirit. PPT will affect the temps quite a lot, just have to play around with it so it doesn't throttle but has enough power headroom. You're basically trying to get it to run at the lowest power/voltage it can with those clocks so the temps stay low - it's the relationship between those and how high the CPU will then boost.

Would suggest taking things one step at a time, get your RAM running at the right speed/timings then make sure it's all stable and you can start tweaking from there. I'd suggest using CoreCycler to test things, especially useful when you're figuring out Curve Optimizer.
 
These CPU's are meant to boost until they hit thermal limit unlike previous ones, 75c is nothing, you have a lot of headroom there until you reach it's thermal limit, agree with previous recommendations increasing EDC, PPT and TDC until you are hitting your chips max performance without throttling, I have a 5700x and it can pull full package power over 100w, considering it's a 65w CPU but I have 4.85Ghz ST/4.65 MT stable for CPU-Z, Blender, Cinebench etc, 240mm AIO is plenty enough to handle a 7700 and then some
 
What is the heck is going on with my board? I enabled EXPO and tested for stability and all was good. Then I went to enable PBO and set it to advanced to set the limits but what happened next is weird. I saved and exist and went back to windows to see that the CPU is only running at 540 MHz (Multiplier can't go above 5.4) and the PPT, TDC, EDC values in HWinfo are weird. The system is slow as hell. See for yourself. The values are too low which explains it but I actually increased them in the BIOS so what happened? My BIOS is bad?

Edit: Oh my God, the measurement units in BIOS was mW, mA, mA. So I had to multiply by 1000 ! That's weird. I didn't expect them to use miliwatts and miliampere.

Now it is okay. Let's continue.
 

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What is the heck is going on with my board? I enabled EXPO and tested for stability and all was good. Then I went to enable PBO and set it to advanced to set the limits but what happened next is weird. I saved and exist and went back to windows to see that the CPU is only running at 540 MHz (Multiplier can't go above 5.4) and the PPT, TDC, EDC values in HWinfo are weird. The system is slow as hell. See for yourself. The values are too low which explains it but I actually increased them in the BIOS so what happened? My BIOS is bad?

Edit: Oh my God, the measurement units in BIOS was mW, mA, mA. So I had to multiply by 1000 ! That's weird. I didn't expect them to use miliwatts and miliampere.

Now it is okay. Let's continue.
It seems to be the trend lately for board vendors to set mW and mA for PBO limits. I've been reading it alot about it and so my board uses mW/A.
 
This is after the overclock. Some cores boosted to 5.5 GHz. But for some reason, last time I restarted windows it just didn't boot and I had to force shut down. When I turned it back on the PBO settings went back to default!
 

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