Help me flash RX 570 BIOS

[Dux]

So i have Gigabyte RX 570 Gaming 4GB. It has a max power limit of 90W +/- 50%. So max is 135W. It has 8pin PCIe connector as opposed to standard 6 pin on these cards. So this + board should give up to 225W AFAIK. I tried OC-ing and the card can't take ANY aditional voltage because that will go up to 135W in some games and actually throttle the clocks in order to stay in power limit. I would like to flash it with THIS BIOS of Gigabyte AORUS RX 570 4GB that has max power limit of 148W +/- 50%.

I never flashed card BIOS. Can the BIOS of Aorus card be flashed to my model? I see all RX 570 4GB cards listed here have identical BIOS version 015.050.002.001.000000. Including my card according to GPU-Z. They all have identical device ID 1002 67DF and aorus on has slightly different subsystem ID 1458 22F0 compared to mine with 1458 22F7. Idk if all that matters and how much.

Any tips, tutorials, step to step guide? Thank you.

 

[Imperator]

Hello there.
Flashing a card is easy as long as you are sure that you desire that.
1st you will have to save (DO NOT FORGET TO DO THIS STEP) the current BIOS (original one) from the card.
In order to do this you will have to start GPU-z and from there you will press on the arrow - that will open a menu to save the current BIOS.
After that you can play with the card as long as you like and test whatever you like.
In case you will not be happy with the outcome, then you always have the option to restore your original BIOS from the file you saved to.

Good luck mate

 

[AugeK]

To revert in case of disaster you require a board with GPU or one with 2 graphics card slots and an additional graphics card.

 

[Imperator]

To revert in case of disaster you require a board with GPU or one with 2 graphics card slots and an additional graphics card.

As he said, in case your flashing will fail, in order to revert to a working version you will need a mainboard with discrete (IGPU) video on board.
At boot you will enter in motherboard BIOS and you will choose as 1st graphic card the one on board.
This way the system will boot and after windows will load you can reflash the video card with your original BIOS and start all over again to test.
Cheers

 

[Law-II]

"I see all RX 570 4GB cards listed here have identical BIOS version 015.050.002.001.000000"
FYI: they don't all share the same memory chips some Hynix and other is Samsung,
Note: vga output ports also need to match on the PCB... [if flashed with wrong outputs, will end with no signal same for memory brand]

 

[Dux]

OK. All Gigabyte RX 570 Gaming models cards have Hynix memory, except 2 which have Samsung. Even the Aorus one i am trying to flash to has hynix and clocks/latencies are the same. All video outputs on it are identical as on my model.

However, Aorus one has slightly higher default GPU clock and higher max power limit. Aorus max = 148W +/- 50%. Gaming max =90W +/- 50%. So max is 222W on Aorus and 135W on Gaming model. Both cards have 1 X 8 pin PCI-e power connector and should have the same max power draw of 225W.
But for some stupid reason Gigabyte decided to use very low max default power draw of just 90W on gaming models. I looked at other models as well from other vendors and all seem to have higher max power draw allowed.

Everything seems identical on my model of card and aorus model. Except slightly different ssid. Literally just one number at the end. 1458 22F7 on Gaming model VS 1458 22F0 on Aorus. Device id and BIOS versions are identical.

So the GUI interface of that amdvbflashWin program doesn't want to let me flash. Says "ssid mismatch."

i did follow instructions in the readme file and installed some driver first.

Also followed THIS tutorial to force flash, but even thou it started something, i never got the ROM unlocked message that you are supposed to get. Video is for other card, but comments show people using it to force flash various models of AMD cards.

I did save a backup of original BIOS and i do have second computer (under system specs) with 2 PCI-E slots to recover from bad flash.

So all i need now is for someone to help me force flash this thing.

 

[Imperator]

Please be so kind and put here a picture obtained from GPU-z
On the other hand i need a picture from labels from your card (stickers)
Because you have a fully functional card i will presume that the memory chips that will appear in GPU-z are correct.
Cheers

 

[Dux]

that's about it without taking the card out and removing the backplate to find out if there are some stickers/numbers beneath. Which i'm not gonna do.

 

[caroline!]

Can the BIOS of Aorus card be flashed to my model?

No.

You can edit the power limits on your current VBIOS though. Save, edit, reflash. Please note that increasing the power limits can kill your card, but if you insist please make sure the back of the card has appropiate cooling, things get really hot really quick when you force them to go beyond their spec.

 

[Dux]

No.

You can edit the power limits on your current VBIOS though. Save, edit, reflash. Please note that increasing the power limits can kill your card, but if you insist please make sure the back of the card has appropiate cooling, things get really hot really quick when you force them to go beyond their spec.

ooooh? Tell me more.

Also, considering how much time i spent on explaining everything, a simple NO as answer will not be enough.

The cards seem to be identical. The difference is that on one Gigabyte put a BIOS that has higher power limits and put it in the Aorus series for higher price point. Everything else is THE SAME.

Edit. So literally nobody knows, and that guy asked me to take pics for God knows what reason?

EDIT 2. DONE!
I tried that polaris BIOS editor. It allowed me to modify my bios and then i saved it and flashed the card. Since SSID was the same as bios dump i did, flashed it without problems.
However, after rebooting i saw that my card doesn't want to load graphics driver. I have dual monitor setup and both were detected as one. GPU-Z and MSI afterburner had no sensors and driver info. 3 driver reinstalls did nothing.
So i thought maybe the problem is in the latest version of AMD VBFlash / ATIflash. As it didn't let me force flash aorus BIOS. So i downloaded the version from 2018. and... force flashed with no problems. Driver works, everything works. max clock and TDP increased as i wanted.

 

[caroline!]

ooooh? Tell me more.

Also, considering how much time i spent on explaining everything, a simple NO as answer will not be enough.

The cards seem to be identical. The difference is that on one Gigabyte put a BIOS that has higher power limits and put it in the Aorus series for higher price point. Everything else is THE SAME.

You can save your current VBIOS using GPU-Z then use Polaris BIOS Editor to edit (ignore the 512K warning) then modify the TDP and Max Power Limit (W) values, that'll allow the card to go beyond spec without powerplay (-/+50%). I wouldn't go beyond 180W on that particular card, you'd literally be running 100% more power through it. Don't modify any other values, save the file and then flash it.

Notice that surface components on your card and the AORUS aren't the same, that's the reason a card gets 90W and the other 150. The cards may look similar but their caps and resistors aren't.

You can use something like this on top of the card to cool the back.

https://www.amazon.com/Gelid-Solutions-PCI-Slot-Holder/dp/B00OAPH76Q

I'd swap the stock fans for some serious 120mm ones as well but as long as you keep it under 80C it *should* (and take this with a ton of salt) be OK, I've seen burnt mining cards due to firmware mods like that.

Tune using Radeon software, not Afterburner.

 

[Dux]

You can save your current VBIOS using GPU-Z then use Polaris BIOS Editor to edit (ignore the 512K warning) then modify the TDP and Max Power Limit (W) values, that'll allow the card to go beyond spec without powerplay (-/+50%). I wouldn't go beyond 180W on that particular card, you'd literally be running 100% more power through it. Don't modify any other values, save the file and then flash it.

Notice that surface components on your card and the AORUS aren't the same, that's the reason a card gets 90W and the other 150. The cards may look similar but their caps and resistors aren't.

You can use something like this on top of the card to cool the back.

https://www.amazon.com/Gelid-Solutions-PCI-Slot-Holder/dp/B00OAPH76Q

I'd swap the stock fans for some serious 120mm ones as well but as long as you keep it under 80C it *should* (and take this with a ton of salt) be OK, I've seen burnt mining cards due to firmware mods like that.

Tune using Radeon software, not Afterburner.

I literally wrote in post above yours that your method doesn't work and that everything i did now works. As far as i am concerned, it is done. Now just to fine tune card. Currently stable at 1460MHz GPU (which is a lot for this GPU) and i doubt I'll go further. And memory i won't go above 2000MHz. Max tems were 65C with benchin in unigine superposition and some agressive fan curve.
Also idk where you see the difference on PCB. It looks the same. Same components, same numbers on them, just that gaming version in this photo had thermal pads on some components. It is literally the same card that Gigabyte flashed with different BIOS and marketed differently.

 

[Nike_486DX]

ooooh? Tell me more.

Also, considering how much time i spent on explaining everything, a simple NO as answer will not be enough.

The cards seem to be identical. The difference is that on one Gigabyte put a BIOS that has higher power limits and put it in the Aorus series for higher price point. Everything else is THE SAME.

Edit. So literally nobody knows, and that guy asked me to take pics for God knows what reason?

EDIT 2. DONE!
I tried that polaris BIOS editor. It allowed me to modify my bios and then i saved it and flashed the card. Since SSID was the same as bios dump i did, flashed it without problems.
However, after rebooting i saw that my card doesn't want to load graphics driver. I have dual monitor setup and both were detected as one. GPU-Z and MSI afterburner had no sensors and driver info. 3 driver reinstalls did nothing.
So i thought maybe the problem is in the latest version of AMD VBFlash / ATIflash. As it didn't let me force flash aorus BIOS. So i downloaded the version from 2018. and... force flashed with no problems. Driver works, everything works. max clock and TDP increased as i wanted.

Polaris cards have security checks of the vbios, if its been tampered (modified by the user) the drivers wont install properly. You will need a utility to bypass that if you want to use the modified vbios. https://cryptomining-blog.com/11013-use-the-amd-ati-pixel-clock-patcher-for-modified-bios-gpus/

 

[Dux]

Polaris cards have security checks of the vbios, if its been tampered (modified by the user) the drivers wont install properly. You will need a utility to bypass that if you want to use the modified vbios. https://cryptomining-blog.com/11013-use-the-amd-ati-pixel-clock-patcher-for-modified-bios-gpus/

OH, people. please read last posts before replying. I solved everything. Unwatching thread. Thank you all for "trying" to help. Especially the guy that goes around multiple bios flashing posts and asks photos of cards for no apparent reason it seems.
Over and out.

 

[eidairaman1]

OH, people. please read last posts before replying. I solved everything. Unwatching thread. Thank you all for "trying" to help. Especially the guy that goes around multiple bios flashing posts and asks photos of cards for no apparent reason it seems.
Over and out.

I ask for said info to verify you infact have the exact card as it gives me info needed to find bios needed along side a gpu-z screenshot. Worst case if card was bricked then heatsink removal is needed to know what ram is on board. Do not insult members who are trying to help you, you may not get the needed help next time, so mind your manners.

 

[Dux]

I ask for said info to verify you infact have the exact card as it gives me info needed to find bios needed along side a gpu-z screenshot. Worst case if card was bricked then heatsink removal is needed to know what ram is on board. Do not insult members who are trying to help you, you may not get the needed help next time, so mind your manners.

Well i didn't get any help now either. In fact, i think i helped you all. None of the things you all said worked or helped. There you have solution several posts above. So use it if you ever find yourself in a situation where you can't force flash a BIOS. Might be same thing. You're welcome.

 

[eidairaman1]

Well i didn't get any help now either. In fact, i think i helped you all. None of the things you all said worked or helped. There you have solution several posts above. So use it if you ever find yourself in a situation where you can't force flash a BIOS. Might be same thing. You're welcome.

Wow you are arrogant arrogance=stupidity

 

[Nike_486DX]

Well i didn't get any help now either. In fact, i think i helped you all. None of the things you all said worked or helped. There you have solution several posts above. So use it if you ever find yourself in a situation where you can't force flash a BIOS. Might be same thing. You're welcome.

Well, you could simply use the PolarisBiosEditor to mod the values u needed and then patch the drivers to make it work. That is, using the original bios (but modded to ur needs). Sure you compared the 2 similar 570s from gigabyte, and they looked sorta the same, but there is always more stuff than meets the eye, and ur card has only 1 bios so its normal that ppl would ask for more info just to make sure.

 

[Dux]

Wow you are arrogant arrogance=stupidity

WOW. You are a true Texas patriot. YEEEEEEHAW!!!

 

[Imperator]

@DuxCro - please be so kind and use a normal attitude here.
Why? Because everybody here wants to help.
You do not helped us. Cause we do not wanna do the same thing to our cards.
But from any thing happened we learn so in the future could be better.
I personally tried from my humble experience to give the best solution.
The fact you went further and do the rest of the steps w/o waiting for us to guide was the reason that you solved it...faster.
We would have done the same thing but in smaller steps, cause we are careful.
The reason you had 90w TDP and AORUS 150 is not about the GPU and memory chips. Which indeed are the same sometimes.
The true difference is at implementation of them into the card. Let's say they use a better electronic pieces and the metal plate that eliminate the heat and so on...
You think i did not read about those cards. I did yesterday in order to see if it's safe to do it.
Well you were too fast for us.
Lucky you that the card works as it is .
Good luck in your life...but respect others.
Cheers

 

[caroline!]

Wow you are arrogant arrogance=stupidity

The true difference is at implementation of them into the card. Let's say they use a better electronic pieces and the metal plate that eliminate the heat and so on...

Wow, how dare you? this is a god-tier GPU expert you're talking to, us mere mortals have no right to be in his thread.
Gigabyte is a cruel company that rips off people by throttling low end products so that poor gamers have worse performance than those who get Aorus cards, it's a conspiracy!!

It is literally the same card that Gigabyte flashed with different BIOS and marketed differently.

 

[Dux]

Wow, how dare you? this is a god-tier GPU expert you're talking to, us mere mortals have no right to be in his thread.
Gigabyte is a cruel company that rips off people by throttling low end products so that poor gamers have worse performance than those who get Aorus cards, it's a conspiracy!!

It's a common practice in the industry across entire IT and consumer market. Don't be naive. Cheaper for them to make one thing and market at premium with higher clocks and just adding a copper base on backplate. Which is exactly what they did. I got a newsflash for you. industry is full of scummy companies. And in this example i LITERALLY gave you photos of both card PCB's. Zoom them in, study them. Play "where's Waldo" with them. THe card is working 100% normal with Aorus BIOS. Because they are literally the same PCB's with identical components. Sorry if i hurt your feelings. Seems like you need to tip toe around everyone on internet nowdays. Full of snowflakes.

 

[Imperator]

It's a common practice in the industry across entire IT and consumer market. Don't be naive. Cheaper for them to make one thing and market at premium with higher clocks and just adding a copper base on backplate. Which is exactly what they did. I got a newsflash for you. industry is full of scummy companies. And in this example i LITERALLY gave you photos of both card PCB's. Zoom them in, study them. Play "where's Waldo" with them. THe card is working 100% normal with Aorus BIOS. Because they are literally the same PCB's with identical components. Sorry if i hurt your feelings. Seems like you need to tip toe around everyone on internet nowdays. Full of snowflakes.

Hello.
There is nothing new in the company's behavior.
And i bet all companies have (or had) products like this, just marketed different.
We do not argue this.

 

[caroline!]

. Sorry if i hurt your feelings. Seems like you need to tip toe around everyone on internet nowdays. Full of snowflakes.

heh, everyone is a snowflake and an NPC right?