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Greetings, I have just inaugurated a new pc with a Ryzen 5800x (stock settings, I haven't changed anything). The Temperatures and the noise that I get from the liquid cooling are making me not happy at all. I have read that this processor is wild and hot, But I was wondering if I could do something either with the cooling or the processor settings, but the thing is that I am a complete ignorant in this, and I don't want to either destroy the processor or ending with one that doesn't give me the performance I paid for. My other components:

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1) I used cinebench R23.200 and I got 15.193 Multicore and 1.581 SIngle Core. I reached 90º. Regardless of the heat, is that performance ok or did it throttle due to temps?

2) The rpm of the pump of the cooling is almost stable at 2410rpm. Is this too little? that is the official value that I have found in the cooler master webpage, but Could I get it higher through bios or software without any problems?

3) I have watched a video of a guy saying that this problem could get fixed altering the PPT down to 115w or even to 105w, the TDC to 100, and the EDC to 80 and he also mentioned something about PBO (I Hace 0 knowledge about all those weird letters) He said that he only lost max 5% in performance. My rigs idles at 50-55 with spikes up to 65º with doing very little. With videogames I can get up to 73º-75º and the fan noise is to shoot myself in the head.
 
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Your scores are fine. When you tested what was the ambient temperature, also did you the thermal paste that comes with the cooler? Maybe you didn't tight the cooler to the motherboard hard enough.
 
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I had a 5800X and experienced the same heat issues. Replaced it with a 5900X and now the temps max out at 70c.

Happy camper...
 
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I had a 5800X and experienced the same heat issues. Replaced it with a 5900X and now the temps max out at 70c.

Happy camper...

What's the point of your reply exactly? :shadedshu: The OP clearly wasn't intending to replace his CPU.

5900X has two six-core CCX'es, vs. a single eight-core CCX in 5800X, so the thermal density of the former is a lot lower than of the latter. Do you always throw money at the issues you face in your life?
 
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It could be the way your cooler is oriented. You could have trapped air bubbles in the pump, ect. I have a 5800x on a 360 aluminum rad aio for my wife's rig and it runs pretty cool.
 
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you can change your PBO limits to something lower.

the problem is that the 5800X has the same Powerlimits as a 5950X

120/80/120 (PPT, EDC, TDC) for example will lower the temps by a lot and maybe even increasing performance (my own 5800X worked a lot better with lower powerlimits)
 
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What's the point of your reply exactly? :shadedshu: The OP clearly wasn't intending to replace his CPU.

5900X has two six-core CCX'es, vs. a single eight-core CCX in 5800X, so the thermal density of the former is a lot lower than of the latter. Do you always throw money at the issues you face in your life?
Do you always throw money at the issues you face in your life?

Not always, but I do every now and then on a whim... :)
 
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Greetings, I have just inaugurated a new pc with a Ryzen 5800x (stock settings, I haven't changed anything). The Temperatures and the noise that I get from the liquid cooling are making me not happy at all. I have read that this processor is wild and hot, But I was wondering if I could do something either with the cooling or the processor settings, but the thing is that I am a complete ignorant in this, and I don't want to either destroy the processor or ending with one that doesn't give me the performance I paid for. My other components:

https://www.pccomponentes.com/msi-mpg-x570-gaming-plus
https://www.pccomponentes.com/cooler-master-masterliquid-ml360r-rgb
https://www.pccomponentes.com/corsair-vengeance-rgb-pro-ddr4-3600-pc4-28800-32gb-4x8gb-cl18
https://www.pccomponentes.com/seasonic-focus-gx-750-750w-80-plus-gold-modular

1) I used cinebench R23.200 and I got 15.193 Multicore and 1.581 SIngle Core. I reached 90º. Regardless of the heat, is that performance ok or did it throttle due to temps?

2) The rpm of the pump of the cooling is almost stable at 2410rpm. Is this too little? that is the official value that I have found in the cooler master webpage, but Could I get it higher through bios or software without any problems?

3) I have watched a video of a guy saying that this problem could get fixed altering the PPT down to 115w or even to 105w, the TDC to 100, and the EDC to 80 and he also mentioned something about PBO (I Hace 0 knowledge about all those weird letters) He said that he only lost max 5% in performance. My rigs idles at 50-55 with spikes up to 65º with doing very little. With videogames I can get up to 73º-75º and the fan noise is to shoot myself in the head.
My guess is that there's is something wrong with your cooling loop.

My custom cooled 5800X CPU idles at 33 °C and maxes out at 52 °C during a Handbrake encode or Cinebench R23 run. That's with an ultrathin 360mm radiator and Noctua NF-F12 PWM fans running at 62% (930 rpm). In my build, the PPT, EDC, TDC have all been bumped up by ~15% since I know the cooling loop can handle it; the pump is nothing special.

The Ryzen 5800X is a 105W part. Even a 240mm AIO radiator should be able to amply handle its heat output. While I was testing, I used the AMD Wraith Stealth cooler that came with a 5600X CPU. Even that wimpy stock cooler was enough to keep the 5800X's temps in check during mundane usage.
 

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Just as a tip for the 5800x:

remount the cooler, but start with the screw in the lower right side first, then upper left loosely, then upper right tight
You want it tighter on the right side - it helps get the best contact right where the actual die is, and helps a lot with temps.
They run hot even on water, but the 70's is totally possible on a 360mm loop

Can you post pics of how the block and rad are mounted, after you do the remount?


CValdes: are you running a static OC or something? 52C is abnormally low for the 5800x, they loooove to boost.
 
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CValdes: are you running a static OC or something? 52C is abnormally low for the 5800x, they loooove to boost.
Nope, nothing more than PBO enabled on the motherboard (ASUS ROG Strix B550-I Gaming Wifi).

Cinebench C23 results say my CPU part is performing normally compared to the identical processor.

I have no interest in tweaking the CPU overclock settings. For gaming, it's not worth fussing with to maybe eke out 1-2 fps. I'm satisfied with the way this CPU performs. Since it's not generating much heat, the fans can operate quietly.

Remember that this is a custom loop; the 360mm ultrathin radiator is really overspecced for a 105W TDP CPU.

My SFF build with a 5600X on a 120mm radiator doesn't get much warmer -- 56 °C -- under the same test conditions (Handbrake encode or Cinebench C23).
 

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Nope, nothing more than PBO enabled on the motherboard (ASUS ROG Strix B550-I Gaming Wifi).

Cinebench C23 results say my CPU part is performing normally compared to the identical processor.

I have no interest in tweaking the CPU overclock settings. For gaming, it's not worth fussing with to maybe eke out 1-2 fps. I'm satisfied with the way this CPU performs. Since it's not generating much heat, the fans can operate quietly.

Remember that this is a custom loop; the 360mm ultrathin radiator is really overspecced for a 105W TDP CPU.

My SFF build with a 5600X on a 120mm radiator doesn't get much warmer -- 56 °C -- under the same test conditions (Handbrake encode or Cinebench C23).
It's just that i too run a custom loop with a 360mm and 280mm rad, and i dont see temps that low
 
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i said it earlier and i say it again.
it's a tiny! 81mm² die with over 4.1 billion transistors that pulls as much power as a 16 Core chip.
the heat density is so high that it does not get fast enough through the silicon, solder and IHS.
and you cooler is not the problem. even a NH U12S is for minutes cold to the touch in P95.

use the curve optimizer (~ -15 all core should be working) and lower the power limits.

stock in CB R23 is around 4550Mhz all core.
at 105W runs around 15°C cooler and the CPU runs ~100mv lower and boosts to ~ 4.6Ghz+ all core. (Faster than stock and/or PBO)
at 95W with -15 is around the same as completely stock. but at around 1100mv, with better single core speeds and in the high 50s under load.
and the best of all is that "the lower the powerlimits the higher the CPU boosts under non powerlimited scenarios)
and at such low voltages it pulls like 65W in heavy games like Battlefield V and boosts to the single core boost on all cores.

i tested this last year and today. it's still the only valid option to get decent performance (or even better) and much lower temperatures.
 

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It's just that i too run a custom loop with a 360mm and 280mm rad, and i dont see temps that low
I am convinced that a large part of the cooling performance variances between different rigs (with comparable components) can be attributed to each individual's skill at applying thermal compound and securing the cooling block.

My guess is that some people will never get the same temperatures as the ones published by equipment reviewers because the former do a poor job at applying thermal compound. It takes thoughtful consideration about how much paste to apply and a little manual dexterity to spread it correctly. Not everyone is equally good at frosting a cake either. Practice helps to a degree but some people will be inherently more adept at this than others.

Like so many things it's probably a bell curve and most people will end up between 1-1.5 standard deviation from the median.

I don't really think the thermal compound itself (apart from a couple of unusual exceptions) really makes a difference. The most popular products from the most reputable brands all end up within 1-2 °C of each other if you look at the product showdowns. I've used Arctic MX-4 and MX-5 as well as Noctua NT-H1 and NT-H2 and I think they are all very comparable. The biggest difference to me is that some seem to be easier to apply than others. Perhaps in the long run (like 3-4 years after the application), some might have better long-term durability than others but that's never tested by PC review sites.

I don't even remember what thermal compound I used under the two CPU blocks and the two GPU blocks in my two custom loops. I also deshrouded the two other graphics cards I own (Sapphire Pulse RX 580 8GB and Sapphire Pulse RX 550 2GB) to scrape away the factory thermal compound and apply my own before reattaching the stock coolers. Both cards run substantially cooler now.

There are probably other procedural differences. For example some people are likely better at screwing down cooling blocks to provide even pressure.
 
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I have seen my 5600X show 140w ppt.. my 5900x @ 215w ppt, I would imagine yours would fall somewhere in between..
 
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i said it earlier and i say it again.
it's a tiny! 81mm² die with over 4.1 billion transistors that pulls as much power as a 16 Core chip.
the heat density is so high that it does not get fast enough through the silicon, solder and IHS.
and you cooler is not the problem. even a NH U12S is for minutes cold to the touch in P95.

use the curve optimizer (~ -15 all core should be working) and lower the power limits.

stock in CB R23 is around 4550Mhz all core.
at 105W runs around 15°C cooler and the CPU runs ~100mv lower and boosts to ~ 4.6Ghz+ all core. (Faster than stock and/or PBO)
at 95W with -15 is around the same as completely stock. but at around 1100mv, with better single core speeds and in the high 50s under load.
and the best of all is that "the lower the powerlimits the higher the CPU boosts under non powerlimited scenarios)
and at such low voltages it pulls like 65W in heavy games like Battlefield V and boosts to the single core boost on all cores.

i tested this last year and today. it's still the only valid option to get decent performance (or even better) and much lower temperatures.
not trying to high jack thread but lower the power limits to what? and then -15 on CO
 
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not trying to high jack thread but lower the power limits to what? and then -15 on CO
seems like i accidentally deleted them... i actually had them in my post but it seems that i deleted them with a typo.
PPT/TDC/EDC
105/70/95 ( a bit faster than stock)
95/60/90 (as fast as stock but very cool and efficient)
 
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seems like i accidentally deleted them... i actually had them in my post but it seems that i deleted them with a typo.
PPT/TDC/EDC
105/70/95 ( a bit faster than stock)
95/60/90 (as fast as stock but very cool and efficient)
:D :D:respect:
 

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Hmm, relevant info:

I copied those settings into my BIOS, was still getting 80C. Then i realised i was running 140W PPT in Hwinfo.

The Asus BIOS has TWO settings for PBO, one in the AI tweaker and one in advanced (this one has the curve optimiser)
The second set of settings are IGNORED and do not work. Of the many times i have tweaked values, it seems the ones done there simply changed nothing.

Lost 75Mhz off the all core clock, and 23C


TL;DR: PBO on asus is borky, and may be the problem for other users as well.

GerKNG: you did it, you glorious bastard.
 

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Hmm, relevant info:

I copied those settings into my BIOS, was still getting 80C. Then i realised i was running 140W PPT in Hwinfo.

The Asus BIOS has TWO settings for PBO, one in the AI tweaker and one in advanced (this one has the curve optimiser)
The second set of settings are IGNORED and do not work. Of the many times i have tweaked values, it seems the ones done there simply changed nothing.

Lost 75Mhz off the all core clock, and 23C

TL;DR: PBO on asus is borky, and may be the problem for other users as well.

GerKNG: you did it, you glorious bastard.

If I had known at the time that a 5800X could be run at full performance with 3700X temps and power draw, I would've saved some money on the discounted 5800X instead. Those are some juicy temps there.

That's correct - the Asus BIOS PBO settings are all located in AI Tweaker, with the sole exception of Curve Optimizer. everything else in the AMD OC PBO menu doesn't work. Need to have the second menu on Advanced in order to show the Curve Optimizer, but you can literally disable PBO entirely in AI Tweaker while having Advanced in AMD OC, and the board will still go off AI Tweaker, which is what I do on my 5900X.
 
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@GerKNG Thank you so much!! Not to hijack this thread but this has helped me with my 5900x run more cool and efficient.

I don't hit over 45C on my custom loop using the a bit faster than stock. I haven't really dug into OCing in awhile and I noticed that when playing with the power limits effects my all core boost more than anything really. My single core still boosts up to around 4.9Ghz steady, but without all the excess heat. My all core boost went up slightly from the stock 3.6Ghz to 3.9Ghz.
 
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i said it earlier and i say it again.
it's a tiny! 81mm² die with over 4.1 billion transistors that pulls as much power as a 16 Core chip.
the heat density is so high that it does not get fast enough through the silicon, solder and IHS.
and you cooler is not the problem. even a NH U12S is for minutes cold to the touch in P95.

use the curve optimizer (~ -15 all core should be working) and lower the power limits.

stock in CB R23 is around 4550Mhz all core.
at 105W runs around 15°C cooler and the CPU runs ~100mv lower and boosts to ~ 4.6Ghz+ all core. (Faster than stock and/or PBO)
at 95W with -15 is around the same as completely stock. but at around 1100mv, with better single core speeds and in the high 50s under load.
and the best of all is that "the lower the powerlimits the higher the CPU boosts under non powerlimited scenarios)
and at such low voltages it pulls like 65W in heavy games like Battlefield V and boosts to the single core boost on all cores.

i tested this last year and today. it's still the only valid option to get decent performance (or even better) and much lower temperatures.
Hi, thanks for sharing the settings and findings with the community.
Just going through some optimizations for my recent 5800x.
I've tested some of the settings posted here and the temprature difference is very good but the MC performance is not similar/better then stock.

Stock
R23: 15673(81ºC max) 1566(57ºC max)

PPT/TDC/EDC: 95/60/90
CO: -15 all
Boost: +50
R23: 14266(55ºC max) 1586(55ºC max)

PPT/TDC/EDC: 105/70/95
CO: -15 all
Boost: +50
R23: 14971(62ºC max) 1570(57ºC max)

Are those the correct settings? Anything that can explain the difference between your stock vs eco(The delta, not the total cause that might depend on other factors) and mine?
 
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