help with amd single-core and duel core

[joinmeindeath417]

Hi, im trying to debate what to get but i know very little bout the cache on processors but these are my choices

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819103529

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819103562


as you can see one is dual core but runs slower than the one that is single core both socket 939 but im confused as to what dual core does for game/proformance vs the single core with 1mb l2 cache or the dual core 512x2 cache help if you can thanks

 

[Alec§taar]

Here are 2 GOOD reads about what SMP/DualCore rigs can do for you & where/how

See my subject-line/title above, & checkout BOTH of these discussions from the forums here, read them "end-to-end" by ALL means:

Do dual core CPUs score higher on Benchmarks?

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=12589

&

Adv of Dual core vs Single core:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=13359



* They are very good/informative, & should answer any questions you may have, & cover all the bases so-to-speak!

APK

 

[AsphyxiA]

I have a 4200+, i got it right when it came out. All i have to say is go for the dual core proc. You will not regret it. On a second note more cache is better for games. if you are planning to go dual core, i might suggest going with 4400+ or an Opty 175 (esspecially if you want some seriously high overclocks). With these processors, each one has 1MB of cache on each die so in the end when you play a game such as Quake 4 or HL2 Lost Coast which support multiple threads, you will have 2MB of cache equaling out to better performance

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80108-R

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80726-1

 

[POGE]

Either will serve you well. I would go with the singlecore, by the time dual core is really practical, that dualie will be obsolete. Both will be good processors though.

 

[joinmeindeath417]

yeah im trying to stay in the 125-170 range for the processor thank you all im just afraid Future games will require more from the CPU and well duel core would probably be used at its full potential

 

[randomperson21]

i'd say dual core. i have a 3800+, but i'd go a little higher if you're planning on doing a ton of gaming.

 

[joinmeindeath417]

blah im so confused? anotherquestion. if i do go duel core i should go AM2 right? and would a 939 cpu work on a AM2 motherboard? or is am2 just competley differnt?

 

[POGE]

AM2 is overrated. 939 is cheap and just about as good. And no, a 939 CPU wont work on an AM2 motherboard.

 

[randomperson21]

the only major difference i know of between the two is that am2 uses ddr2 ram, while 939 uses standard ddr.

but if you have any plans to upgrade in a year or two, am2 will most likely still be around.
dunno about 939 tho...

but then again, i could be completely wrong. its late and i'm tired.

 

[gygabite]

Which core overclocks better, Toledo or Manchester?

 

[Alec§taar]

Either will serve you well. I would go with the singlecore, by the time dual core is really practical, that dualie will be obsolete.

DualCore OR SMP is absolutely practical, right now, today... AND, has been for more than a decade (w/ certain OS' & multithread bearing code, specifics will be noted as we go on)!

So... that said?

Want proof?? I'm certain you do (I would also)!

Well - Your own systems (all of you/any of you) will do that & bear this all out, read on:

First, take a look at the PROCESS tab in Taskmgr.exe (once you've used the VIEW menu & its submenu item COLUMNS - with items checked for the column of THREADS specifically to be seen)

Once that is done? You will see that a GOOD 90-95++% of what you run bears 2-N threads.

E.G.-> Here? I don't run 1 single threaded program of 23 running right now: All are 2-22 thread designed...



So what's that all mean?

* With multithreaded OS & programs, that's where multiple CPU systems really do well!

Specifically on multi-threaded designed program code, by their being able to spin threads off to the least saturated processor available via the design of the process scheduler portion of the kernel's subsystems!

(Even by a process, taking say, the main parent thread & running it on CPU #1, & then any subsequent CHILD threads of that same program process & spinning them off on other CPU cores available if & when needed)...

This translates out to smoother & faster operations overall on modern Operating Systems like Linux, Windows NT-based ones of today (2000/XP/Server 2003/VISTA), & even older ones from MS from the NT family, ones like UNIX or Linux, & Os/2 SMP... better multitasking operation overall!

An easy way to think of this is a SIMPLE example:

Ever play 52 pickup in cards? Can you move faster picking up the cards with 1 hand, or two hands (given both hands in both a single cpu scenario & dualcore/smp scenario move @ the same "mhz speed")??

Hands down, no questions asked - we ALL know the answer to that question.

APK

P.S.=> NOW, on the gaming front?

Games like Quake 4 SMP? Just a look @ the future of gaming as well - it's been shown to have up to 87% faster operation gains of speed vs. its single-threaded predecessor/ancestor design as well...

Again - See those URL's I first posted, if in any doubt, the evidence of that is therein as to Quake 4 SMP tests & more:

Do dual core CPUs score higher on Benchmarks?

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=12589

&

Adv of Dual core vs Single core:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=13359

Now, I don't know ANYONE that "just games" on a PC, & if so? They should be game console users (& do note that today's consoles are SMP & use multithreaded coding as well), but either way/EITHER way?

Dual Core/SMP is practical now, & into the future, especially for those of you that multitask extensively (& it has been for more than a decade on PC's on Windows NT-based OS, ones like Os/2 SMP, & Linux (later here though on this last example))... apk

 

[joinmeindeath417]

answered everything i needed to know thank you very much

 

[Alec§taar]

answered everything i needed to know thank you very much

You're welcome!



APK