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Which of these are your RAM modules?

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OK, so your memory kit is Goodram IRDM X IR-X2666D464L16S/16GDC specced 16-18-18 @ 2666 MHz with 1.20v.

Could you change your RAM profile in the BIOS back to 2666 MHz and enable XMP? Set FCLK to 1333 MHz. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the BIOS menu on your motherboard, so I can't guide you here. Maybe someone with an Asus mobo can show you the specific settings if you're having problems finding them.

Also, disable Ai Overclock Tuner, OC Tuner and Performance Bias in the Ai Tweaker tab while you're there.
 
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OK, so your memory kit is Goodram IRDM X IR-X2666D464L16S/16GDC specced 16-18-18 @ 2666 MHz with 1.20v.

Could you change your RAM profile in the BIOS back to 2666 MHz and enable XMP? Set FCLK to 1333 MHz. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the BIOS menu on your motherboard, so I can't guide you here. Maybe someone with an Asus mobo can show you the specific settings if you're having problems finding them.

Also, disable Ai Overclock Tuner, OC Tuner and Performance Bias in the Ai Tweaker tab while you're there.
I would need the specific exact settings that I need to change for these. I cannot see any option to enable XMP on my BIOS. Also there is no option to turn off Ai Overclock Tuner, OC Tuner or Performance Bias in the Ai Tweaker.

Can you please tell me how can these changes help? What is going on specifically? Im not really understanding

I was just checking this https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1042256/ > Does DOCP stand for XMP for AMD motherboards?
 
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Does DOCP stand for XMP for AMD motherboards?
That's it! It looks like you need to go the Ai Tweaker tab and set Ai Overclock Tuner to D.O.C.P. Memory Frequency should set itself automatically to 2666 MHz, just make sure it's there. Then set FCLK Frequency to 1333 MHz if it isn't. Set Precision Boost Overdrive to Auto.

What are your options for OC Tuner and Performance Bias?

As I said, there are too many variables right now to pinpoint the one causing the stutter. We need to go back and set everything to default.
 

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Already tried switching Fast vsync ON and it made it worse. When I leave it on normal vsync the game is better graphic wise but there is input latency. CSGO is a game that should be played with no Vsync ON. When I use no vsync the FPS would go maximum 200-300 and its not consistent. It drops all the time and goes back up. Also tried low latency mode, still no improvement


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Can you post a screenshot of the SPD tab as well as memory?
Memory shows what it's running at right now, SPD shows stock and XMP values

Zentimings (another program) can show all the secondary and tertiary settings as well


Fast Vsync allows the GPU to render more frames, and only displays the most recently completed one.

So 60FPS and 60Hz, one frame every 16.6ms
120FPS at 60Hz, it would render every 8.3m

If you ran 90FPS the screen can still only display ever 16.6ms you might get that halfway mark, where some frames at 16ms old, some are 12ms, with variance (this is where Fast vysnc performs worse, you need to be double for it to work properly
(On 144Hz this may not have been that helpful, but it helps rule out some Vsync related issues)


I've played some games that just crash out at high FPS values or go weird with physics or stutter issues (dead island 1 was fine at 165FPS, Dead island riptide went nuts with stutter above 100FPS)



At this point i can only think you have something physically going wrong with your setup. Either the monitors the issue, or your peripherals themselves. Things like mechanical drives can introduce stutter, but it rarely exhibits as input delay. (Or network, if you haven't been testing offline like you're meant to be)
 
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59C in bios? What cooler?

You've been registered for over 2 years now, maybe it's time to input your system specs into the profile.
If 59C in BIOS then the CPU could be throttling while gaming or just having too low boost, than what it should be anyway…
 
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That's it! It looks like you need to go the Ai Tweaker tab and set Ai Overclock Tuner to D.O.C.P. Memory Frequency should set itself automatically to 2666 MHz, just make sure it's there. Then set FCLK Frequency to 1333 MHz if it isn't. Set Precision Boost Overdrive to Auto.

What are your options for OC Tuner and Performance Bias?

As I said, there are too many variables right now to pinpoint the one causing the stutter. We need to go back and set everything to default.
Already changed it to D.O.C.P and here it's how it looks
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The DOCP sets it self to DOCP DDR4-3000 and there is no other option for it. Meanwhile the options for OC Tuner are:
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And for Performance Bias are:
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If 59C in BIOS then the CPU could be throttling while gaming or just having too low boost, than what it should be anyway…
I have checked the CPU temps while gaming they are stable at around 70 degrees C

Can you post a screenshot of the SPD tab as well as memory?
Memory shows what it's running at right now, SPD shows stock and XMP values

Zentimings (another program) can show all the secondary and tertiary settings as well


Fast Vsync allows the GPU to render more frames, and only displays the most recently completed one.

So 60FPS and 60Hz, one frame every 16.6ms
120FPS at 60Hz, it would render every 8.3m

If you ran 90FPS the screen can still only display ever 16.6ms you might get that halfway mark, where some frames at 16ms old, some are 12ms, with variance (this is where Fast vysnc performs worse, you need to be double for it to work properly
(On 144Hz this may not have been that helpful, but it helps rule out some Vsync related issues)


I've played some games that just crash out at high FPS values or go weird with physics or stutter issues (dead island 1 was fine at 165FPS, Dead island riptide went nuts with stutter above 100FPS)



At this point i can only think you have something physically going wrong with your setup. Either the monitors the issue, or your peripherals themselves. Things like mechanical drives can introduce stutter, but it rarely exhibits as input delay. (Or network, if you haven't been testing offline like you're meant to be)
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here you go
 
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It's 3000 MT/s XMP kit, whatya'all talking about bumping down to 2666?
 
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and you using correct cable for this target FPS ?
144hz/FPS - 1.4HDMI or display port "it also depends on HDR / others setups"

if compared V-sync / no- vsync / or FPS limiter all looks identical ??
.,is possible create FPS x System log -- HWINFO "log"+ RIVA tuner "adds FPS in log" or setup for OSD - in game monitor

but your system look good ,..,i thing problem is game setup or compatibility :D
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Home
contains tutorials for unlock better frame rates for old games.

/// try in game disable V-sync + enable V-sync in drivers or FPS limiter only "-3 under 144hz and no v-sync"
or create log

WINDOWS setting ? - disable variable rate support /HDR/ and gpu schedule "gpu tab ,under windows setting"

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for old games is sometimes good use GPU lock - power mode "high performance" or some scene use too low clock "adaptive in defaults"
NVpanel -3D - GAME PROFILE -HERE
only here ! for specific profile .,not in GLOBAL !! "in global gpu stuck on base clock forever"

sorry translation :D

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for testing the monitor functions

edit LOG tutorial
,.,install RIVA server and install HWINFO
RIVA run in background .. now you starts hwinfo + sensor "must exist RTSS tab in SENSOR"
now is possible create LOG in .CSV - send here file from gaming :p

this contains FPS vs complete system statistic - best for DEBUG or is possible setup OSD "real-time info in games - best for game setup"
,.,.good luck
 

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The DOCP sets it self to DOCP DDR4-3000 and there is no other option for it.
Oh I see now. When I first asked you about your memory kit, you put Wilk Elektronik 2666@3000 OC in your profile, so I assumed it's a 2666 MHz kit. But CPU-Z reveals it's a 3000 MHz one.

Leave Ai Overclock Tuner and DOCP as they are (DOCP DDR4-3000), but change Memory Frequency to DDR4-3000 and FCLK Frequency to 1500 MHz. Leave OC Tuner as is, and set Performance Bias to None.

Also, what is your BIOS version? Asus have introduced many improvements in later revisions. You can probably see the number in the main BIOS screen.
 
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MSI G241 - 1.4b is HDMI and 1.2a DP
if you need working VRR or better bandwidth - recommend only using Display Port

and gtx1650 ? if you gets fully stable 144fps - v-sync on 144hz + check PCgaming wiki for unlock game refresh rate setting "mod"
or must try adaptive HALF-sync "nvpanel" ,.,recommend from 120HZ monitor setup - on 60FPS "this works great for all old/new games"

60fps + compatible in-game rate -- is fully smooth gaming :D "i also using 120hz gsync only for minimum games on gtx1070 - this not works better"
but depend on game support / additional setup / performance state LOCK for old games ,.,.etc

or FPS limiter "around 141fps"+ VRR on DP.,,i think not works now on 1.4hdmi - still get small screen tearing
and in "NVPANEL" - 3D setting
monitor technology - VRR ??
game preferred frame rate - max or overdrive
v-sync off + fps limiter
,.,always in-game first and when not works setting or missing -try NVpanel


additional
display driver+ color profile
,.,.try send system LOG for determine others HW problems "performance drops" ,,,but some old games is crippled for modern HW "must be little modded" or customized setup - power lock ..etc
 

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Oh I see now. When I first asked you about your memory kit, you put Wilk Elektronik 2666@3000 OC in your profile, so I assumed it's a 2666 MHz kit. But CPU-Z reveals it's a 3000 MHz one. Leave Ai Overclock Tuner and DOCP as they are, but change Memory Frequency to DDR4-3000 and FCLK Frequency to 1500 MHz. Leave OC Tuner as is, and set Performance Bias to None.

Also, what is your BIOS version? Asus have introduced many improvements in later revisions. You can probably see the number in the main BIOS screen.
BIOS version is 3002 x64
 
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The most recent is Version 3802. It would be good to update your BIOS. Do you feel comfortable doing it yourself?
I think I can be able to do that. I've done it before. As far as I remember I format a flash drive and then put the BIOS update file in there. And then restart PC go to bios settings and find the update setting
 
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I would like, if possible, to see a full HWiNFO sensors window after a game session like the one below

I've red boxed areas that it should be at least visible (all values: min, max, avg)
You open HWiNFO sensors window you reset session time by clicking the clock down right and quickly start the game. After at least 30~40min (the longer the better) stop the game, quickly go to HWiNFO window again and take a screenshot.

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You can expand columns by blue arrows down left and adjust width of each sensor name/value from first row (click and drag barriers left-right)

Also you should enable "Snapshot CPU Polling" from main settings (right click tray HWiNFO icon)
 
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Just updated the BIOS.
I would like, if possible, to see a full HWiNFO sensors window after a game session like the one below

I've red boxed areas that it should be at least visible (all values: min, max, avg)
You open HWiNFO sensors window you reset session time by clicking the clock down right and quickly start the game. After at least 30~40min (the longer the better) stop the game, quickly go to HWiNFO window again and take a screenshot.

View attachment 262585

You can expand columns by blue arrows down left and adjust width of each sensor name/value from first row (click and drag barriers left-right)

Also you should enable "Snapshot CPU Polling" from main settings (right click tray HWiNFO icon)
I will do this now.
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And one more question. If the RAM was 3000MHz why its not like that by default? After updating BIOS settings were reverted to default and now that I turned on my PC I see that the RAM is 2666MHZ
 
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Download the newest BIOS file from the link in my previous post. Run the included utility BIOSRenamer.exe and change the name of the BIOS file from PRIME-B450M-K-II-ASUS-3802.CAP to PB450MK2.CAP
Remember to format the USB stick as FAT32. Then just follow these instructions:
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EDIT: OK, I see you've just done it
 
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And one more question. If the RAM was 3000MHz why its not like that by default? After updating BIOS settings were reverted to default and now that I turned on my PC I see that the RAM is 2666MHZ
BIOS always return to default settings after an update. Its best for avoiding any conflicts or errors.
After update to a newer/different version you always have to reconfigure everything. Saved profiles are not working for the same reasons.
 
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I would like, if possible, to see a full HWiNFO sensors window after a game session like the one below

I've red boxed areas that it should be at least visible (all values: min, max, avg)
You open HWiNFO sensors window you reset session time by clicking the clock down right and quickly start the game. After at least 30~40min (the longer the better) stop the game, quickly go to HWiNFO window again and take a screenshot.

View attachment 262585

You can expand columns by blue arrows down left and adjust width of each sensor name/value from first row (click and drag barriers left-right)

Also you should enable "Snapshot CPU Polling" from main settings (right click tray HWiNFO icon)
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I hope these are all you needed. Did what you said.

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I hope these are all you needed. Did what you said.
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I had no idea how to expand those windows. There was no option to expand them, sorry.

NEW GPU and having worse FPS. Playing CS:GO on lowest settings possible and the FPS is never stable and it stays around 150-200-250 but it keeps changing all the time. Something's wrong. CS:GO is a game that should be played without vsync and with these PC components at least it should be able to get 300+ fps with no issue at lowest settings
 
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try create LOG in hwinfo ! for real-time monitoring "+RIVA for FPS in LOG"
here send .CSV file in ZIP or RAR from gaming

these screens are not useful or get minimal info ,.,.LOG contains GRAPH in short steps !!
but CPU works well ,.,.but gpu ?? -- you need see actual usage in 3D load

OSD or create log for debug
edit
for old games is sometimes good use GPU lock - power mode "high performance" or some scene use too low clock "adaptive in defaults"
NVpanel -3D - GAME PROFILE -HERE
only here ! for specific profile .,not in GLOBAL !! "in global gpu stuck on base clock forever"
this lock BASE CLOCK - better for old games or full BOOST CLOCK - AFTERBURNER profile
but first more info - GPU GRAPH vs FPS -- HWINFO LOG

edit ,.,. example
left - custom OSD from HWINFO or AFTERBURNER + RIVA
right - HWINFO + LOG

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here you must find your problem ,.,.also test room -- MSI AFTERBURNER "full load / combo load / vram" others ,.,.etc
 
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try create LOG in hwinfo ! for real-time monitoring "+RIVA for FPS in LOG"
here send .CSV file in ZIP or RAR from gaming

these screens are not useful or get minimal info ,.,.LOG contains GRAPH in short steps !!
but CPU works well ,.,.but gpu ?? -- you need see actual usage in 3D load

OSD or create log for debug

this lock BASE CLOCK - better for old games or full BOOST CLOCK - AFTERBURNER profile
but first more info - GPU GRAPH vs FPS -- HWINFO LOG
The GPU is brand new. How can it be it's fault?
 
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The GPU is brand new. How can it be it's fault?
gpu is OK .,,.but adaptive power for old gaming not must works well ?
need full LOG "your screen not contains all" min/ max / actual
but you need see real-time "actual" vs FPS drops -- OSD or LOG

and you ussing HDMI ? or DP on monitor and GPU ???
sorry translation

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try create short log where have problem and i try check data ,.,.CPU look OK "MIN/MAX - minimal drop"
but gpu on screen is badly visible - better is log or OSD
 
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I hope these are all you needed. Did what you said.


EDIT:

I had no idea how to expand those windows. There was no option to expand them, sorry.

NEW GPU and having worse FPS. Playing CS:GO on lowest settings possible and the FPS is never stable and it stays around 150-200-250 but it keeps changing all the time. Something's wrong. CS:GO is a game that should be played without vsync and with these PC components at least it should be able to get 300+ fps with no issue at lowest settings
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I noticed that max speed of all 3 is 1333Mhz
So the change of speed is probably due to power saving settings
Is this after gaming?
 
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<<< 2666 memory "normal SPD" still must works normal in old games ,..but 20-19-x--x timing is slow
but not create this massive problems ???

XMP 3000 or 18-20 / or aggressive 16-18-x--x ,.,.but this is better for benchmarks and not resolved this problem :/ ??
also is possitible lock 4.1ghz for all cores or more ,.,.but why :D
 
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