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Single channel RAM or old (or almost full) HDD make that happen more often than not. Stuttering is rarely a GPU related problem, especially when it is so powerful for 1080P as a 590. Only an inadequate PSU can be related to a bad performing GPU of this performance level. HDD checking first, emptying it as much as possible. If this don't make things better, another stick of the same RAM capacity should be the next test. My 5 cents.
if it is hdd defrag will help better then just emptying it
 

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That is possible I suppose...

Can you link directly to whatever at that website is supporting your assertion, please?

EDIT: This is the closest I found... though it mentions Vsync, it doesn't seem to in the same capacity you are..
https://www.blurbusters.com/faq/motion-blur-reduction/

EDIT2: https://www.pcgamer.com/what-is-microstutter-and-how-do-i-fix-it/
I've known about the stutter effect long before I ever read about it, from simple observation, hence the reference here is me and my experience. :)

www.rtings.com had an article on this too, where they talked about the difference between stutter and judder too, if you fancy digging it up.

I don't have any specific article on Blur Busters to show you, it's just a fantastic reference to have and I've definitely learned stuff on there, especially when it comes to strobing LCD backlights and how adaptive sync works. They've got high speed cameras and other advanced equipment to really analyse motion on a LCD displays like nobody else does. They've also got motion blur tests on there which run in your browser, which are really useful.
 
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I've known about the stutter effect long before I ever read about it, from simple observation, hence the reference here is me and my experience. :)

www.rtings.com had an article on this too, where they talked about the difference between stutter and judder too, if you fancy digging it up.

I don't have any specific article on Blur Busters to show you, it's just a fantastic reference to have and I've definitely learned stuff on there, especially when it comes to strobing LCD backlights and how adaptive sync works. They've got high speed cameras and other advanced equipment to really analyse motion on a LCD displays like nobody else does. They've also got motion blur tests on there which run in your browser, which are really useful.
Good on you for knowing/observing stuttering is! :)

I fancy those who support their assertions with direct links showing what they are saying. The least one can do is reply in kind... its not like I just straight bunked it without multiple links supporting my assertion. I have an open mind and even took the time to look on that website you told me to go to...and more to see if i needed a knowledge update! And here I get another generic link in return to go hunting for it. One would think if this is such a "basic" piece of information (I always appreciate disparaging comments...), we wouldn't have to go looking in the dungeons of the web to find it, eh?


Anyway, this is a BIT off topic, so I will just leave it at that...
 
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No, I just enable Vsync ingame, freesync helps too but only works when I cap the fps to the monitor's refresh rate, no other applications are running
So Radeon drivers are set for uncapped FPS? Worth checking.
 
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I'd set enhanced sync on, and turn off all other syncs. That should increase pressure on gpu and releive pressure off your cpu, and you shouldn't be having anymore stutter.
 
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I am wondering how you figur vsync, freesync ,framerate control or any other software switch can alter the fact that at 8Gb vram card utilising 3-6Gb of its memory in a SINGLE channel memory system with 20-28Gb memory bandwidth instead of 50-55 and only 8Gb totsl is going to help.
His Os and half the game will be in the pagefile on a HDD.

How on earth could it be stuttering ,hmmn.

If anyone in this thread has successfully gamed at high fps on such a system this year please do shout out.
 
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I am wondering how you figur vsync, freesync ,framerate control or any other software switch can alter the fact that at 8Gb vram card utilising 3-6Gb of its memory in a SINGLE channel memory system with 20-28Gb memory bandwidth instead of 50-55 and only 8Gb totsl is going to help.
His Os and half the game will be in the pagefile on a HDD.

How on earth could it be stuttering ,hmmn.

If anyone in this thread has successfully gamed at high fps on such a system this year please do shout out.
60 FPS was fine and rock solid on my 3570K paired with 8 GB RAM up until december 2017, with a GTX 1080. And when I moved to high refresh on that same rig, the stutter I saw was nothing like what we see here. An occasional hiccup is what it looked like, not a consistent, prolonged slowdown like we saw here. And I also ran single channel. Going from 780ti to a 1080 on that rig made no difference at all.

Im not convinced this is at all about RAM or VRAM.
 
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60 FPS was fine and rock solid on my 3570K paired with 8 GB RAM up until december 2017, with a GTX 1080. And when I moved to high refresh on that same rig, the stutter I saw was nothing like what we see here. An occasional hiccup is what it looked like, not a consistent, prolonged slowdown like we saw here. And I also ran single channel. Going from 780ti to a 1080 on that rig made no difference at all.

Im not convinced this is at all about RAM or VRAM.
that was 2017 and you were pushing your luck then?

and we have no idea what he runs in the background verses you , plus he actually stated hes using Relive so at the same time as serving the OS and game his HDD and single stick is also getting involved in writing video back to the drive.

and the OP nor anyone else worked this line of inquiry ,instead its PSU's drivers etc etc, freedom had it right on post 2 imho.
 
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that was 2017 and you were pushing your luck then?

and we have no idea what he runs in the background verses you , plus he actually stated hes using Relive so at the same time as serving the OS and game his HDD and single stick is also getting involved in writing video back to the drive.

and the OP nor anyone else worked this line of inquiry ,instead its PSU's drivers etc etc, freedom had it right on post 2 imho.
I also said that it was happening on a fresh install of windows with no additional programs installed other than the drivers and the game. I'm okay with it as long it's not the GPU causing the stutter(as it's the most expensive component and I don't want it to be faulty). And I had my HD 7950 like 2 months ago and didn't have a single problem with it. And some games were low fps because of the gpu but there was no stuttering at high fps. And the stutter happens in the simpliest games.
 
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I also said that it was happening on a fresh install of windows with no additional programs installed other than the drivers and the game. I'm okay with it as long it's not the GPU causing the stutter(as it's the most expensive component and I don't want it to be faulty). And I had my HD 7950 like 2 months ago and didn't have a single problem with it. And some games were low fps because of the gpu but there was no stuttering at high fps. And the stutter happens in the simpliest games.
for a start then run your games etc with resource monitor up and the game windowed and monitor memory use and page file use, that would clear this up also disable relive , because writes to a HDD while playing AAA games at high fps with low system bandwidth and slow read write to drive speeds can tank performance.

I moved to SSD 5 years ago , you should too, i assure you even though it cannot improve FPS it can smooth FPS because load ins from the drive are not slow and to some games( some of which are made with ssds in mind these days) ,, GTAV is a fine example with HDD ,stutter, with ssd slight stutter :) it does load big areas in though but even watching the bench run its very noticeable on GTAV.

also note high fps regardless of game type uses system memory bandwidth a lot because more frames are moving as well as the normal stuff and from what your describing you want regulated steady 60 fps gameing but your not doing anything to get it stable ie Vsync etc, i have a freesync monitor overclocked a bit to 85Hz so it doesnt freesync and i like you want steady 85fps, without Vsync its virtually impossible but you can get close with framerate control which incidentally everyone should use since occasional bouts of 3000 fps does'nt help GPU's health, but game settings matter too.
 
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that was 2017 and you were pushing your luck then?

and we have no idea what he runs in the background verses you , plus he actually stated hes using Relive so at the same time as serving the OS and game his HDD and single stick is also getting involved in writing video back to the drive.

and the OP nor anyone else worked this line of inquiry ,instead its PSU's drivers etc etc, freedom had it right on post 2 imho.
Agreed. We don't know a lot of things, I'm just saying, its good to go in depth on the software side before you start looking at hardware, and I say this because I really don't recognize this sort of choppy behaviour from a very similar hardware setup. This really isn't stutter - it is consistent. And that does not fit the lack of RAM situation at all.

Also, december 2017 is just over a year ago. Not that long at all, and I play pretty recent games, and a very broad spectrum of them of which many are very CPU and RAM heavy (=reason to ditch the IvyBridge setup). I really haven't seen a thorough exploration of the Freesync/enhanced sync/what settings are actually active from the OP, and I get the impression something has been overlooked. Its easy to throw more hardware at a problem to fix it, but that doesn't mean you've found the actual cause.

That said, a very plausible cause here is the use of in-game recording software such as relive, that would certainly explain a consistent frametime interruption like we've been able to see.

Last, with regards to the SSD versus HDD situation, yes, this is the most tangible and noticeable performance boost for any system, whether new or 10 years old. But at the same time, the games where an HDD directly impacts frametimes, are extremely rare. With concurrent recording software though, that changes.

@Chippyz I think you need to change your stance if you want to find the cause, stop playing defensive and get inquisitive. Its your issue in the end, and denial gets you nowhere. Explore it - everything you've explored and cannot be considered the cause, is safe to exclude. That will leave you with the solution in the end ;)

I also said that it was happening on a fresh install of windows with no additional programs installed other than the drivers and the game. I'm okay with it as long it's not the GPU causing the stutter(as it's the most expensive component and I don't want it to be faulty). And I had my HD 7950 like 2 months ago and didn't have a single problem with it. And some games were low fps because of the gpu but there was no stuttering at high fps. And the stutter happens in the simpliest games.
This, once again, confirms to me that this is not a hardware problem - at least not one of any hardware except the GPU. The GPU is still suspect.
 
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Good news, it's not the GPU, I used my integrated graphics and same crap on a really simple game, however I still don't know the cause. I'm just happy because it's not the GPU, thanks everyone for help.

Migh this be a problem?
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This, once again, confirms to me that this is not a hardware problem - at least not one of any hardware except the GPU. The GPU is still suspect.
Any ideas?
 

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Try a different graphics card. preferably not one that's builtin and you have you physically swap it out with your current one.
 

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i use this from time to time, I usually use it to figure out why i may get audio issues in some situations but it can help narrow down if a specific device is causing issues.
I used it once to find out that my brothers PC was stuttering during game play because of the WLan adapter. Thanx to the tool we replaced it and fixed the issue.
 
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What is your paging file size set to?

Have you done a defrag?

Can we get a Screenshot of task manager, task scheduler, services.msc, msconfig please?.

Antivirus/Malware utilities can cause this too...
It says 1920MB,
I tried running memcheck and got no errors
I have done a defrag
I also said it was happening on a fresh install of windows with no other stuff installed other than games and drivers
 

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It says 1920MB,
I tried running memcheck and got no errors
I have done a defrag
I also said it was happening on a fresh install of windows with no other stuff installed other than games and drivers

You have F Secure Security Suite.

Have you tride turning that off?
 
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You have F Secure Security Suite.

Have you tride turning that off?
No, but I installed it just recently and it was happening without it too but it has a Game Mode so I will try that.
 

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No, but I installed it just recently and it was happening without it too but it has a Game Mode so I will try that.
Turn it off, also shut down everything but the game itself
 
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W10 with hdd...
I am at my friend's house right now and we tried his gpu,ram(2x4) and it was the same so i guess it's my hdd or my computer is haunted. I will upgrade next year anyways.
 

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I am at my friend's house right now and we tried his gpu,ram(2x4) and it was the same so i guess it's my hdd or my computer is haunted. I will upgrade next year anyways.
Someone recently moved some games from a HDD to a SSD and his problems stopped. HDD was way too slow to feed data to RAM-CPU-GPU.

Time to Get at Least a 840 Pro or MX300.
 
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Someone recently moved some games from a HDD to a SSD and his problems stopped. HDD was way too slow to feed data to RAM-CPU-GPU.

Time to Get at Least a 840 Pro or MX300 at least.
This is never a bad investment anyway and certainly worth a go at this point.
 

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