High FPS but games stutter/choppy

[phanbuey]

I have this feeling it's going to end up being something really stupid like a USB port acting up or a printer throwing interrupts.


TRY THIS:
https://www.resplendence.com/latencymon

https://www.testufo.com/stutter

 

[Chippyz]

What version of AMD graphics drivers are you running? Have you tried the latest beta (19.2.2)?

Is FreeSync enabled in the monitor through the on-screen display setup?

Is it still doing it in other games with the same settings?

no, just a few games, it's a wired keyboard, i had it for more than 2 years and never had any problems I also brought my pc to my friend's house and it was the same, even tried his gpu and ram.

 

[phanbuey]

no, just a few games, it's a wired keyboard, i had it for more than 2 years and never had any problems I also brought my pc to my friend's house and it was the same, even tried his gpu and ram.

Can you run latency mon to see what driver is causing the lag?

 

[Chippyz]

Can you run latency mon to see what driver is causing the lag?

Yeah, I will try it now.

 

[phanbuey]

1) just sitting in desktop, and 2) while gaming.]

Here's mine while playing new dawn:

 

[Chippyz]

While playing The Forest. It's kinda late rn so I will go for now but tomorrow morning I will set up the SSD, also my HDD is in legacy mode so that might be an issue. Anyways the SSD i got is Intel 512GB 545s I hope it fixes at least some of this.

Also could it be PSU? Probably not but just wondering if I had a bad PSU.

 

[phanbuey]

Try disabling/reinstalling your nic drivers too... NICs can definitely cause stuttering though, I've seen that before on several systems.

PSU is possible but kind of unlikely. Usually bad PSUs will cycle the system and cause much more severe symptoms than in game stuttering.

 

[EarthDog]

Also could it be PSU? Probably not but just wondering if I had a bad PSU.

No. Like the AC doesn't affect the brakes on car, no.

 

[phanbuey]

Whats weird to me is you would think that DX would be the laggiest driver during a game, but for some reason it's your miniport and Network driver, which makes me think they're taking priority over what your system is doing. That could easily cause stuttering.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

LatencyMon is kind of...obsolete...because multithreading/multi-core processors make it moot. Whatever spikes you're seeing on the chart may leave everything else utterly unaffected. It was a thing back on single core processors.


Kind of reaching the conclusion that the CPU may be causing the stutters (79-85% load while recording). The graph might even be showing the threshold:

Does ReLive recording make it stutter all of the time in The Forest? Not recording makes it come and go? If yes and yes, ReLive is putting your CPU over the edge. The game itself likely puts itself over periodically (hence stutters every 5-10 seconds) kind of like ReLive induces on demand.

 

[eidairaman1]

My cpu is i5 4460, I can't overclock it. I'm getting an ssd tomorrow. Now I wish i never bought this GPU and I wouldn't have all of these problems. And yes, how many times do I have to say that I tried messing with pretty much everything possible in radeon settings.

Well 80+

Well your rig is a lil slow.

Also Sell the gpu then.

@FordGT90Concept FordGTcan mouse polling or keyboard polling rate cause this?

no, just a few games, it's a wired keyboard, i had it for more than 2 years and never had any problems I also brought my pc to my friend's house and it was the same, even tried his gpu and ram.

Same problem with his gpu and ram in your system?

 

[phanbuey]

LatencyMon is kind of...obsolete...because multithreading/multi-core processors make it moot. Whatever spikes you're seeing on the chart may leave everything else utterly unaffected. It was a thing back on single core processors.


Kind of reaching the conclusion that the CPU may be causing the stutters (79-85% load while recording). The graph might even be showing the threshold:
View attachment 116914
Does ReLive recording make it stutter all of the time in The Forest? Not recording makes it come and go? If yes and yes, ReLive is putting your CPU over the edge. The game itself likely puts itself over periodically (hence stutters every 5-10 seconds) kind of like ReLive induces on demand.

Yeah but... if it was the cpu wouldn't the FPS drop at least momentarily on the FRAPS programs? It's futile trying to solve a problem that manifests but can't be measured.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

The side-stepping stutters in The Forest are specific to the game. It has been repro'd on a 240 Hz monitor with a Radeon VII. Not sure when/how it will be fixed (if ever). Should focus testing on another game...

 

[Malik Sajid]

I've an RX 570. AMD driver vsync control is completely useless, it doesn't allow me to get vsync disabled for many games.

I'm using RadeonPro, it allows you to disable vsync properly, control flip queue size, which should come in handy in your situation.

I also want to say that some engines can't handle fps way higher than refresh rate, for example I can play GTA V smoothly with vsync off, but it's a nightmare to do that with PES series since it started to utilize fox engine.

If you're going to give RadeonPro a shot, just remember to activate 64-bit mode.

 

[eidairaman1]

I've an RX 570. AMD driver vsync control is completely useless, it doesn't allow me to get vsync disabled for many games.

I'm using RadeonPro, it allows you to disable vsync properly, control flip queue size, which should come in handy in your situation.

I also want to say that some engines can't handle fps way higher than refresh rate, for example I can play GTA V smoothly with vsync off, but it's a nightmare to do that with PES series since it started to utilize fox engine.

If you're going to give RadeonPro a shot, just remember to activate 64-bit mode.

Never had a problem with flipping vsync on or off, maybe youre not hitting apply?

 

[Malik Sajid]

Never had a problem with flipping vsync on or off, maybe youre not hitting apply?

That's not how things go in AMD driver UI, there's no apply button, you just select vsync off within certain game profile and you're done.

It's known issue with amd driver. the only mode that works for me through the driver is the enhanced sync.

 

[eidairaman1]

That's not how things go in AMD driver UI, there's no apply button, you just select vsync off within certain game profile and you're done.

It's known issue with amd driver. the only mode that works for me through the driver is the enhanced sync.

Well report it in bug reporting till its fixed.

Can you provide the article that states this too?

 

[Zubasa]

LatencyMon is kind of...obsolete...because multithreading/multi-core processors make it moot. Whatever spikes you're seeing on the chart may leave everything else utterly unaffected. It was a thing back on single core processors.


Kind of reaching the conclusion that the CPU may be causing the stutters (79-85% load while recording). The graph might even be showing the threshold:
View attachment 116914
Does ReLive recording make it stutter all of the time in The Forest? Not recording makes it come and go? If yes and yes, ReLive is putting your CPU over the edge. The game itself likely puts itself over periodically (hence stutters every 5-10 seconds) kind of like ReLive induces on demand.

Another possiblity is the issue with DPC latency / HPET bug in Win10 since the Meltdown / Spectre bandaid to by pass the many security faults on Intel CPUs.
The HPET bug: What it is and what it isn't

Also another related article from Anandtech:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12678/a-timely-discovery-examining-amd-2nd-gen-ryzen-results

 

[eidairaman1]

Another possiblity is the issue with DPC latency / HPET bug in Win10 since the Meltdown / Spectre bandaid to by pass the many security faults on Intel CPUs.
The HPET bug: What it is and what it isn't

Also another related article from Anandtech:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12678/a-timely-discovery-examining-amd-2nd-gen-ryzen-results

I wonder if this would do anything positive on my rig to turn it off, as it is enabled in bios and it is OCd heavily.

 

[Solaris17]

Another possiblity is the issue with DPC latency / HPET bug in Win10 since the Meltdown / Spectre bandaid to by pass the many security faults on Intel CPUs.
The HPET bug: What it is and what it isn't

Also another related article from Anandtech:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12678/a-timely-discovery-examining-amd-2nd-gen-ryzen-results

read the first page and immediately thought HPET good catch. Havent read the other pages, but OP should try to disable it. HPET isnt bad and shutting it off generally isnt needed. Its important to know not all boards or CPUs gen clock the same.

IE: not all HPET are created equal.

 

[Malik Sajid]

Well report it in bug reporting till its fixed.

Can you provide the article that states this too?

https://community.amd.com/thread/226170

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Another possiblity is the issue with DPC latency / HPET bug in Win10 since the Meltdown / Spectre bandaid to by pass the many security faults on Intel CPUs.
The HPET bug: What it is and what it isn't

Also another related article from Anandtech:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12678/a-timely-discovery-examining-amd-2nd-gen-ryzen-results

Maybe...but not The Forest. The guy with the Radeon VII tested it on an 1800X. It's definitely a bug somewhere.

 

[Zubasa]

read the first page and immediately thought HPET good catch. Havent read the other pages, but OP should try to disable it. HPET isnt bad and shutting it off generally isnt needed. Its important to know not all boards or CPUs gen clock the same.

IE: not all HPET are created equal.

Yes.
For example the Asus Crosshair actually had 2 HPET options in the Bios.

Also since the OP has an older Haswell setup, it is also a good idea to update the Bios.
There might be issues between the Win10 patches and older verision of the Intel microcode.

Maybe...but not The Forest. The guy with the Radeon VII tested it on an 1800X. It's definitely a bug somewhere.

The DPC latency issue can also effect AMD platforms, it differs between different builds.

For example the 1800X + Asrock X370 Pro Gaming that I gave to a friend experienced this issue was much worse than my Threadripper platform.
Even now if I force on "useplatfomclock" in Windows by bcdedit in CMD, my raid performance drops to potato, but Gaming is pretty much fine.
The most recent Win10 build introduce a new Timer and bypassed the issue on my setup, and leaving it on in the Bios is fine.
My friend's 1800X setup had to disable HPET both in the Bios and in Win10 via CMD, or else he gets issues everywhere.

There are two parts to the DPC Latency issue, there is the Win10 bugs after the Meltdown/Spectre patches.
Then there are also some boards which just have strait up broken HPET implmentation.

 

[Vayra86]

This does not look like HPET bug at all, because the OP dóes have high FPS, whereas the HPET bug manifests as consistently and noticeably low FPS.

My money is on the cocktail of The Forest with Relive and some hardware specs being on the edge. Even with all those factors I can't say the performance looks dreadful in The Forest. Not pleasant, surely, but the game runs. As for possible upgrades, I would only invest in an SSD at this point for this rig. You can transplant it to an inevitable upgrade in the end, and investing in RAM or faster CPU on a DDR3 rig is just a total waste of time.

 

[Zubasa]

This does not look like HPET bug at all, because the OP dóes have high FPS, whereas the HPET bug manifests as consistently and noticeably low FPS.

It depends on how the drivers react to the DPC latency, my Brother's 6700K had the issue shown in the graph where the FPS is just Fked.
Where as there is my other friend who had 1080ti SLI on 1950X + Asrock X399 which just stutters every where with high FPS, even in games with good SLI support.

Edit: It doesn't hurt to try. It is just a setting in the Bios with basically no danger either way.