Hot take: B550 is DOA for enthusiasts. Your thoughts?

[oxrufiioxo]

dude are you seeing the numbers right ?

tuf b450 to tuf 550 is 450 to 770 pln

I'm not disagreeing with them I wouldn't touch the majority of the b550 boards but I also wouldn't touch the majority of the x570 boards either.....

 

[EarthDog]

That's another story and personally I don't think that's a valid reason for anyone to be upset. The cost increase from a b450 to a b550 is fairly marginal actually and i would say it's well worth the negligible price increase when you consider the increase of thermal performance + gen4 storage. Once again though, i think this threaded is more geared towards x570 vs b550 rather than b450.

You may want to actually look and compare before you say something like that..... especially using the term negligible.

Aorus Pro Wifi compared to Aorus Pro AC = ~$85. That is ~70% more than the $115 Pro Wifi, for example. Gaming Pro carbon wifi... $140 to $220. $80 difference..over 50%.

These value are hardly negligible even when considering the (MEH) bump to 4.0 GPU and storage (one of each, note).

 

[jayseearr]

perhaps not...the numbers are fairly skewed at the moment if you hadn't noticed...

My understanding of the quality mid b450 boards were in the range of 120-200$ versus the b550 which some are selling for less than 200$ as well.

Comparing the cost of a b550 to a b450 NOW is not a fair price comparison. if you want to compare the two more reasonably go by what people were paying for the b450 when they were newer..not now when they are borderline almost out of production...-_-

 

[EarthDog]

perhaps not...the numbers are fairly skewed at the moment if you hadn't noticed...

My understanding of the quality mid b450 boards were in the range of 120-200$ versus the b550 which some are selling for less than 200$ as well.

Comparing the cost of a b550 to a b450 NOW is not a fair price comparison. if you want to compare the two more reasonably go by what people were paying for the b450 when they were newer..not now when they are borderline almost out of production...-_-

Who's comparing prices now? Not me......... I looked up B450 reviews/roundups which listed MSRP and compared it to B550 MSRP of like boards.

It isn't negligible. Not even close for most boards (not all, however).

But do look and compare...

 

[jayseearr]

Ok so from what i am seeing now the msrp for the tomahawk b450 tomahawk wifi is $150 whereas the tomahawk b550 was available for $180 or $190 on preorder...

Once again, i think that's fairly marginal when you consider the improved thermals on higher cores and gen 4 storage capabilities...it's not like you are paying more and getting less...
Anyway let's not get off topic and argue over my idea of negligible versus yours..there's literally no point. I clearly stated that was just my opinion and anyone who reads it is free to disagree just like they are free to stay on the b450 platform.

 

[$ReaPeR$]

The b550 was never targeted to enthusiasts. So, you have no point in your argument to begin with, unless you mean something else and you didn't manage to explain your thoughts properly or I'm missing something. The problems I see with the b550 are the board makes and the customers, the board makes are saturating the market by selling the same basic product by changing minute details purely aesthetical because they want to sell as many chips as possible with the least cost and the customers want one board for everything while paying 100$ for it. And AMD is trying to accommodate everyone because it doesn't have the market % of Intel in order to dictate more sensible solutions. So basically this is what happens when you give people "freedom", people fail miserably to handle it and create a chaotic situation for no reason whatsoever.

 

[jayseearr]

Give the b550's some time before you just throw a blanket over them and say they are out of the question for enthusiasts...jeez they haven't even hit the market yet and you're shutting them down? I'm willing to say i think x570 is a better value than the b550(RIGHT NOW) but I'm also not willing to completely write the b550's off at this state either. The b450's and x750's have had years to iterate and release new makes and the b550s can't even touch your hands yet....settle down a little bit.

 

[cucker tarlson]

My understanding of the quality mid b450 boards were in the range of 120-200$ versus the b550 which some are selling for less than 200$ as well.

he's the problem with your understanding.you're not comparing apples to apples.

here it is:
630pln and 830pln for b450 strix F and E
950 and 1250 for b550 strix F and E

1.50x both

 

[$ReaPeR$]

he's the problem with your understanding.

You are misrepresenting his point but yeah.. whatever floats your boat.

 

[cucker tarlson]

You are misrepresenting his point but yeah.. whatever floats your boat.

no.read the numbers.can't put opinions over numbers even tho you're both trying.

I'll go on -

aorus elite b450 v 550 - 440 vs 680 pln, 1.55x

that's already four boards between 1.50x-1.70x price increase

 

[jayseearr]

Cucker are you just going to ignore the numbers that i presented or.....?
I already verified the b450 tomahawk wifi was 150$
I also verified the b550 tomahawk was 180$ on pre order.

That's a 30$ difference for a board with significantly better thermals on high cores and gen 4 storage capability...Is that really so preposterous as you are trying to make it seem?

 

[cucker tarlson]

are ignoring mine that show a consistent pattern and try to present one anectodal example as evidence ?

another one - mortar b450 vs 550 - 1.6x price here

 

[EarthDog]

Cucker are you just going to ignore the numbers that i presented or.....?
I already verified the b450 tomahawk wifi was 150$
I also verified the b550 tomahawk was 180$ on pre order.

That's a 30$ difference for a board with significantly better thermals on high cores and gen 4 storage capability...Is that really so preposterous as you are trying to make it seem?

What about the rest? The several examples we've listed where pricing has a more serious increase? Are you ignoring those?

The examples I ran into (solely because I happen to have these for review this second) are clearly not negligible regardless of better thermals (what does that mean?) and gen 4 storage (which few would notice a difference in the first place).

What IS preposterous to me is most boards show a significant % price increase as we've listed so far. Not all are like that, but a majority have increased significantly in price and is not close to negligible difference. It depends on the board!

EDIT: Also note, the MSRP for the B450 Tomahawk was $110. The b550 tomahawk is $180. Your also comparing a more expensive part (with Wifi) against B550 tomahawk which has none. Apples to apples, please!

 

[cucker tarlson]

I listed five.Can't provide more as those five are the only 5 available b550s atm here.

five boards,two at 1.50x,one at 1.55x,one at 1.60x,one at 1.70x

 

[jayseearr]

I figured using one of the all around most popular boards both for budget/enthusiast was a good example rather than busting out the calculator and running thru a long list but perhaps i should gather a few more numbers first I will give you that...

Nonetheless, If people on b450 are disappointed by what b550 offers them in features versus price increase, then once again, settle down and wait for the b550's to produce some more makes and if they still feel that way after a while just get a x570 instead...OR just stay on your b450!

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I already verified the b450 tomahawk wifi was 150$
I also verified the b550 tomahawk was 180$ on pre order.

Afaik there never was a b450 Tomahawk wifi..... unless you're confusing it with the B450 Pro carbon AC.....

 

[cucker tarlson]

I figured using one of the all around most popular boards both for budget/enthusiast was a good example rather than busting out the calculator and running thru a long list but perhaps i should gather a few more numbers first I will give you that...

Nonetheless, If people on b450 are disappointed by what b550 offers them in features versus price increase, then once again, settle down and wait for the b550's to produce some more makes and if they still feel that way after a while just get a x570 instead...OR just stay on your b450!

it's exactly what is wrong with your example
what I listed is called a consistent pattern.what you presented is called anecdotal.
go tell people to get this one board see how that goes

 

[EarthDog]

I figured using one of the all around most popular boards both for budget/enthusiast was a good example rather than busting out the calculator and running thru a long list but perhaps i should gather a few more numbers first I will give you that...

Nonetheless, If people on b450 are disappointed by what b550 offers them in features versus price increase, then once again, settle down and wait for the b550's to produce some more makes and if they still feel that way after a while just get a x570 instead...OR just stay on your b450!

Cherry picking a single result is never a good idea when applying it to 49+ other boards.

Essentially, WYSIWYG on B550. Sure another board or two will pop up in time, but you aren't going to see a big difference in price between B450 and B550. Your advice is to wait for something that won't happen (price drops on 'new' B550) or pay for the more an even more expensive board?

EDIT: And B550 has been out for over a week now....

My friend, take some time and be a sponge, let's not wring it out quite yet.

 

[jayseearr]

Did you miss the second part of my last post Cucker? If people on b450 are not happy with the b550 features versus price increase then that is their prerogative and they have the right to feel that way....
But it isn't as though there aren't other options...No one is forcing them onto the b550. As long as they speak with their wallet and stay on the b450 or go with x570..that will surely drive the b550 prices down to somewhere they perhaps feel is more acceptable in the future...

I don't disagree that the b550 is an overall bad value on the market right now, i never did. My point was that IF YOU CAN upgrade from a b450 to a b550 at price that is neglible (TO YOU) then it could (PERHAPS) be worthwhile...

Edit* Earthdog you are getting rather redundant and tiresome quickly. I already admitted perhaps i should have gathered more numbers but nonetheless my underlying point holds true. If you don't like it. don't get it. period.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Did you miss the second part of my last post Cucker? If people on b450 are not happy with the b550 features versus price increase then that is their prerogative and they have the right to feel that way....
But it isn't as though there aren't other options...No one is forcing them onto the b550.

no I didn't miss anything I was just staying on topic

 

[Assimilator]

The b550 was never targeted to enthusiasts.

Really?

The GIGABYTE B550 Aorus Master's MSRP is $280. The first thing you see when you go to its product page is "Direct 16 Phases Digital VRM".

Tell me again how that's not targeted at enthusiasts.

 

[cucker tarlson]

I don't disagree that the b550 is an overall bad value on the market right now, i never did.

yes you did

 

[jayseearr]

No i didn't...i used an anecdotal example to show that the upgrade could potentially be worthwhile in certain scenarios remember? Now you are starting to disagree with yourself....think about it.

 

[cucker tarlson]

No i didn't...i used an anecdotal example to show that the upgrade could potentially be worthwhile in certain scenarios remember? Now you are starting to disagree with yourself....think about it.

not really but I get your point.it's doable.if stars align.

I disagree with the premise of the thread tho.not cause b550 are good value.cause look at x570 and z490 and then look at b550 again......

 

[jayseearr]

Ok well at least you are backtracking like a sold out politician and coming off in a reasonable manner now rather than crucifying me instantly without understanding the heart of what i was really trying to say...