How AMD spark hype and snowballing out of control into hypetrain

[Xzibit]

You've got to be trolling now, right? I never said it's stupid to provide proof of something. This is a strawman argument, because you know I'm right and it's a very simple and obvious point, but you won't admit it and are just going round in circles. Depending on what you say next, I might just start ignoring you in this thread.

If its so obvious please substantiate it.

This reminds me of the time you kept insisting you were right about the monitor because you were too lazy look up the manual and look at it.

 

[FYFI13]

I'm just waiting for proper reviews, as right now it's just a keyboard fight.

 

[qubit]

If its so obvious please substantiate it.

This reminds me of the time you kept insisting you were right about the monitor because you were too lazy look up the manual and look at it.

Yeah, I think you're trolling. It's just one strawman after another now and going round in circles, not addressing what I'm telling you. Pointless discussing this further with you.

You were wrong about that monitor, too.

 

[Xzibit]

Yeah, I think you're trolling. It's just one strawman after another now. Pointless discussing this further with you.

You were wrong about that monitor, too.

Well that settles it

 

[qubit]

Well that settles it

I'm so glad you're happy and I think you just like having the last word too, lol.

 

[dorsetknob]

I'm just waiting for proper reviews, as right now it's just a keyboard fight.

right now it's just a OVERCLOCKED keyboard fight

 

[chaosmassive]

I'm just waiting for proper reviews, as right now it's just a keyboard fight.

Im just want to share articles about leaking unreleased product and I took AMD product as an example
, I dont understand why folks here so easily entangled into argument back and forth

 

[qubit]

right now it's just a OVERCLOCKED keyboard fight

You're right, I can type really really fast on my overclocked keyboard!

Heck, I'm sure someone somewhere has overclocked their keyboard...

 

[Xzibit]

I'm so glad you're happy and I think you just like having the last word too, lol.

I don't. I just think its better to base things on facts as much as possible. If one has a source, link it. A lot of people just read stuff, the headline and don't bother reading the source or even googling it to get the full picture and frame their views, opinions around that.

Im just want to share articles about leaking unreleased product and I took AMD product as an example
, I dont understand why folks here so easily entangled into argument back and forth

Not to be argumentative just pointing out I read it but it was about information leaking not products. How that information can be used. Each example (different leak types) given in that paper was founded on facts (actual accounts).

 

[kruk]

Most people hype about AMD Ryzen CPU as we know it and play along
starting from CES 2017, one leak after another, one benches after another has been consistently popped out.
Interestingly most of those leaks quite accurate and often used as 'new addition' product to market even though its not released yet.
I found this papers on slideshares explaining how company leaks their unreleased products and quite informative

Now try to find a article which explain how the competitors try to devalue all leaks and kill the hype
Title the thread: How Intel will manage to make Ryzen look bad and derail AMDs hypetrain

 

[HTC]

You're right, I can type really really fast on my overclocked keyboard!

Heck, I'm sure someone somewhere has overclocked their keyboard...

That a rumor or a leak?

Jk

On a more "serious" tone, it's not just a train: there's the sea too:

Can't take credit for this one, but i found it VERY funny!

 

[eidairaman1]

Who cares, trying to find fault is stupid, the parts are performing amicably which is causing intel to slash prices, everyone wins now I say.

 

[the54thvoid]

Oh come on, not you too? This is a really simple point, I've explained it clearly and really isn't open to argument. Provide "evidence" lol. You really think it doesn't stand to reason that AMD would create leaks to hype their well-performing new product. And do you think specific leaks released discretely to news sites, distributors etc, while hiding their true source are actually provable by the likes of you and me? Surely you can't be that stupid?

And I don't know why you and xzibit keep bringing up wccftech. I'm not even talking about them and the amount of coverage they have on Ryzen isn't relevant to this point. Sounds like you're obsessed with this site.

Seriously? Calling me stupid. Okay lad, gloves off then.

Qubit says:

Right, actually. I know they weren't kind. I'm pointing out that AMD was real cagey about its performance before release, because they knew they had an underperforming product, unlike with Ryzen where they're shouting it from the rooftops.
I remember at the time I said AMD would be shouting it from the rooftops if it was any good and I was right then too.

Xzibit says:

The assumption being made is AMD is somehow behind the leaks that as you put it are being shout at from the roof top now. I haven't seen the connection and the shouting from the roof top probably has more to do with tech-sites wanting traffic buzz, ala WCCFTech writing a story about it every 10hrs

Your statement is fine. You state AMD want to shout it from the rooftops - and they have been in official events - which are not leaks.
Xzibit links your shouting analogy to assumed leaks, which I presume to be the raft of WCCFtech and Videocardz info (from online sourced benchies, not official AMD pre release PR).
Then a big fighty discussion ensues.

So the error may well be that people are confusing 'leaks' which cannot be shown to come from AMD (as they are leaks), with pre-release events (Capsaicin). Xzibit is completely correct in the binary position that you cannot state AMD is leaking info, the whole point being, you are making the (possibly correct) assumption that they are allowing the leaks to occur (chip samples etc) but you cannot prove it so you are making an assumption.

Frankly, if you think about it, AMD have not had to leak anything really because they have been holding their own events. Now, if the tech journalists from any of these open or close door events, 'leaks' information, that cannot be attributed to AMD as they have an NDA, which is a nice way of covering all bases.

So why are my gloves off? Because this

A lot of people go very fast into 'arguments' on TPU without thinking about the non binary positions of yes/no, relate to the very grey shades of nuance and suggestion. Xzibit is very factual in most things he says. I know - i read a lot of it on here in the past. He's like a dog with a bone if you try to get creative with a discussion he'll just hammer away at the binary of it all. Some people, I being one of them, like you, often try to see the grey bits. But that doesn't help in a discussion. It's like two people discussing the 'colour' black. It's not actually a colour - it's the absorption of light. But it's still called a colour, though it's not. But it is really. But scientifically, it's not.

As for a fascination about WCCFtech etc. There isn't one but for the record, almost every non PR article that gets posted on TPU about GFX cards or chips comes from WCCFtech or Videocardz. They in turn get hem from Chiphell or another chinese source. TPU is actually very slow for a lot of these 'leaks'. I know because as I mentioned, my Google Now feed pops things out from WCCFtech because it knows I've read stuff there before and when the google algorithm sees a WCCFtech and gfx story, it throws it straight at me, without me asking. I usually see it arrive on TPU a day later. TPU is a great community but it is absolutely not the fastest source for tech news on the web.

What we have here is structure and degrees of civility. WCCFtech has a venomous and hateful comments feature. It's like watching a snuff film just to see what watch the killer was wearing.

Anyhow, have another one of these, and think really hard before replying because I am not wrong. This post is binary and you cannot prove AMD leaked anything, even if they did and you just feel they did. As for the OP, it got way out of hand but really, yes, AMD have been very much better with their pre release PR this time around. The leaks, are not theirs because the basis of that assumption requires a disclosed source to say, "yes, AMD definitely said release that info" and you don't have that.

 

[xkm1948]

Intel PR at max efforts now.

 

[AsRock]

Intel PR at max efforts now.

Yeah but AMD hit the time were people have money for sure, by time Intel has some thing money be all spent up, unless Intel lower their prices ( laughing inside ), as they do not feel like they need too. Intel will wait until official benchmarks \ reviews are about or even until they get some them self's.

 

[bug]

The assumption being made is AMD is somehow behind the leaks that as you put it are being shout at from the roof top now. I haven't seen the connection and the shouting from the roof top probably has more to do with tech-sites wanting traffic buzz, ala WCCFTech writing a story about it every 10hrs

The mere fact AMD (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't even try to curb leaks, should tell you that the leaks don't contain anything the company doesn't want the public to know. If they don't sanction those leaks, they're at least ok with the attention they generate. I'm not saying that's bad (or good), but it's good to look at the bigger picture.

 

[Mr.Scott]

Any publicity that isn't paid for is good publicity.
AMD won't do anything to stop people from talking.
They'll only enforce NDA on the people that signed.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Any publicity that isn't paid for is good publicity.
AMD won't do anything to stop people from talking.
They'll only enforce NDA on the people that signed.

Well said.

 

[alucasa]

To me, massive hype means I get to watch forum warriors fighting each other = always fun to watch.

It's always, always, entertaining to watch fanboys slitting throat each others' throat.

 

[xkm1948]

I just want some cheap 5960x or 6950x. You guys have all the RyZen you want!

 

[Xzibit]

The mere fact AMD (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't even try to curb leaks, should tell you that the leaks don't contain anything the company doesn't want the public to know. If they don't sanction those leaks, they're at least ok with the attention they generate. I'm not saying that's bad (or good), but it's good to look at the bigger picture.

You mean try not to curb leaks by having people sign NDAs ?

Why would any company respond to guesses ? Might as well keep guessing until you narrow it down.

These assumptions and positions people take are more about their feelings (then facts) of being left out or being left incomplete (wanting to know more).

 

[eidairaman1]

I'm just waiting for proper reviews, as right now it's just a keyboard fight.

 

[the54thvoid]

I am drunk and enjoying myself in a rock / metal bar... I love you all.

 

[bug]

You mean try not to curb leaks by having people sign NDAs ?

No, I mean firing leaksters or severing ties with partners that leak data.

Why would any company respond to guesses ?

Does this look like a guess to you? https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_ryzen_7_1700x_cpu_benchmarks_leak/1
Cause that's what I'm talking about.

 

[HossHuge]

The right picture should be used with the writing in this meme.