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How many of you Radeon 5700 owners have ditched your cards over the drivers?

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this thread makes me not want to use nvidia ever again, especially after half the 416 drivers manage to shut my usb ports / software power off of and made me have to unplug my computer to reboot it if i left it on over night more then 1 day.
i have had less driver problems with the last 6 years of amd cards then the 2 years with this 1070ti.
I only have used nvidia for the last decade at least, I haven’t had those issues.
 
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I really hope Intel properly steps up with their GPUs in the next couple years because Radeons quite frankly don't deserve to exist anymore...
 
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Look at the fix list (from navi release, but pretty sure I saw it after adrenaline 2020)...and I think black screen was one of them. ;)

That snip shows they heard about the black screens and looking into it....
Nope.

The known issues are listed and there is your black screen issue and a workaround. AMD is still investigating the black screen issue which they can't ignore due to complaints but it is doesn't say driver related. It is just a known work around which is mentioned there.
 

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I don't see anything about AMD admitting driver issue here. Maybe you understand that differently.
That's the gist of it, they admit they are following "the black screen and other issues", but months later they still don't know where it lies (hence they don't say anything about a driver issue).

I really hope Intel properly steps up with their GPUs in the next couple years because Radeons quite frankly don't deserve to exist anymore...
I don't feel we have enough competitors to wish any of them left the scene.
I want more pressure on the mid-range segment, because, while we can see 2080Ti putting out pretty numbers, the reality is if you don't fork out $400-500, chances are your gaming will be choppy even at FHD in some titles.
 
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Nope.

The known issues are listed and there is your black screen issue and a workaround. AMD is still investigating the black screen issue which they can't ignore due to complaints but it is doesn't say driver related. It is just a known work around which is mentioned there.
It doesnt say it isnt either...there is no denial or admitting anything. Useless.

(I inferred to) Check all drivers since navi release, but especially A2020 and newer. Not just one driver. ;)

EDIT: WTH? What do you mean nope? There is a black screen issue listed as a problem (and a POTENTIAL workaround)!!! It's right there!! That is admitting there is an issue and they do not have a fix. It is a KNOWN ISSUE.

Some Radeon RX 5700 series graphics users may intermittently experience a black screen while gaming or on desktop. A potential temporary workaround is disabling hardware acceleration in applications running in the background such as web browsers or Discord.[/quote[
EDIT2: In 20.1.3 they fixed SOME of the black screen issues but others still exist. If it isn't the driver, how did they fix it with a driver update????????????? Let's use our head a bit, please! :)

Fixed Issues

An intermittent black screen or loss of display may occur when performing parallel actions such as web browsing, gaming or watching video.
An intermittent black screen or loss of display may occur when the system is left idle at desktop.
Known Issues

Grand Theft Auto™ 5 may experience a system hang or black screen at launch, when opening Radeon Overlay while in game, or after performing a task switch while in game.
Some Radeon RX 5700 series graphics users may intermittently experience a black screen while gaming or on desktop. A potential temporary workaround is disabling hardware acceleration in applications running in the background such as web browsers or Discord.
 
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That's the gist of it, they admit they are following "the black screen and other issues", but months later they still don't know where it lies (hence they don't say anything about a driver issue).
I don't think that is the gist. You can't fix something which is not yours to fix but yet you can't ignore the customers' complaints due to bad PR.
It doesnt say it isnt either...there is no denial or admitting anything. Useless.

I also said to check all drivers since navi release, but especially A2020 and newer. Not just one driver
You started this so find where AMD says that it is a driver issue.
Please find and give me a link to the driver because I didn't find it.
 
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I don't think that is the gist. You can't fix something which is not yours to fix but yet you can't ignore the customers' complaints due to bad PR.

You started this so find where AMD says that it is a driver issue.
Please find and give me a link to the driver because I didn't find it.
Look at my edit....

If a driver has fixed SOME of the intermittent black screen issues, how is it NOT the driver (causing at least SOME of the issue)? What more are you looking for here????!!!!!!
 

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I don't think that is the gist. You can't fix something which is not yours to fix but yet you can't ignore the customers' complaints due to bad PR.
You can investigate and say where the problem lies, if that's the case.
Though it's curious you say the problem isn't AMD's when AMD dares not say that.
 

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Look at my edit....

If a driver has fixed SOME of the intermittent black screen issues, how is it NOT the driver (causing at least SOME of the issue)? What more are you looking for here????!!!!!!
Hey, leave his preciousss alone!
 
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I agree to the point where game bugs are the game devs' responsibility, and drivers should not do any workarounds at all.
But it is however the driver's responsibility to handle "misbehaving" applications, to the extent that it doesn't crash the driver and the OS. And in this regard there is a huge difference in driver quality between AMD and Nvidia.
You say that driver should handle misbehaving apps so it wont crash? The app is crashing the driver, why it is the drivers responsibility to handle the application's abnormal behavior?
I disagree with that.
I suggest you read my post again.
If an application does something bad, it's fair that the application crashes, but the driver should remain stable.

What users consider tolerable is subjective, but to me it's really not acceptable that something with user level privileges can crash systems like this.

There is not big fix. There's features adjustments AMD put into the driver and maybe certain games get some other stuff done but that is all.

The GCN and RDNA are backwards compatible. It has been said hundreds of times. Yet you still wait for a big driver fix.
There will be no "Navi driver fix", but the driver issues that has plagued AMD for years have to be resolved with a big fix. Underlying problems like this can't be solved with patchwork and workarounds. They need to identify the problematic parts and rewrite them completely. Until then this loop will continue; AMD launches a new card -> users complain about issues -> claims that drivers will mature (but they don't) -> repeat.
 

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I suggest you read my post again.
If an application does something bad, it's fair that the application crashes, but the driver should remain stable.

What users consider tolerable is subjective, but to me it's really not acceptable that something with user level privileges can crash systems like this.
Don't go for the red herring, he has no proof the fault lies with (any) applications ;)
 
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It doesnt say it isnt either...there is no denial or admitting anything. Useless.

(I inferred to) Check all drivers since navi release, but especially A2020 and newer. Not just one driver. ;)

EDIT: WTH? What do you mean nope? There is a black screen issue listed as a problem (and a POTENTIAL workaround)!!! It's right there!! That is admitting there is an issue and they do not have a fix. It is a KNOWN ISSUE.



EDIT2: In 20.1.3 they fixed SOME of the black screen issues but others still exist. If it isn't the driver, how did they fix it with a driver update????????????? Let's use our head a bit, please! :)
You were right. Thanks for sharing the knowledge and proving I was wrong :)
Don't go for the red herring, he has no proof the fault lies with (any) applications ;)
If you have nothing to contribute to the conversation we are having then zip your hole and stop offending people.
 
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