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How many of you Radeon 5700 owners have ditched your cards over the drivers?

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Vulkan is also not exactly picking up steam, or am I wrong...
In linux land it's got a lot of steam. They pretty much used it to get WINE up to speed on every DirectX including 12... Outside that, not so much.
 
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Gotta admit...I was about to go from my Vega64 to a 5700 series until the stories started to hit. I decided I'll simply under volt some more and wait. :laugh:
 

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Gotta admit...I was about to go from my Vega64 to a 5700 series until the stories started to hit. I decided I'll simply under volt some more and wait. :laugh:
I did and quite happy with the performance uplift. Now I’m also a beta tester so I can‘t say anything about driver issues but I run publics when they’re released so my experience) that front has been fine. Heck the last major release literally threw the boost limits out the windows. 2019 is my stated max boost I see up to 2070 now. AMD certainly didn‘t have to do that but every Navi “can” now.
 

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I did and quite happy with the performance uplift. Now I’m also a beta tester so I can‘t say anything about driver issues but I run publics when they’re released so my experience) that front has been fine. Heck the last major release literally threw the boost limits out the windows. 2019 is my stated max boost I see up to 2070 now. AMD certainly didn‘t have to do that but every Navi “can” now.
That would be a 2.5% improvement. I wonder a mild uplift is to you :D
 
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Well, I'd love to be proven wrong, but I am less optimistic than you. That would be a good thing, because I think that the price-performance ratio will still favor AMD. But besides the fact that they like to get high margins for products, Nvidia is a company with a highly competent R&D, they are really very tough to beat. I'm not saying that RDNA2 RT will not be decent, just that I imagine Nvidia's will be better.
Well then I will explain better. First of all 1st gen RTX sucked ass, so going from more or less zero to something will be what Nvidia will be doing, and not like, 1440p Ultra with RTX playable. In other words, yes it will be better, but it will most likely still suck. Just less so.

And why I have hope for AMD raytracing: like I said, because of the consoles, it has to be very well implemented to work, and because AMD is directly working with Microsoft, they have a good base for getting it running on DXR.

No I don't expect it will kick Nvidias Raytracing, but I expect it will be comparable, because after all, Nvidia never achieved anything great with RTX. It sucks atm and will probably suck later too.

Once again, I would love to be proven wrong, but I do not think we will see a price war. AMD will have a better price-perfornance ratio, but the top >700mm² die Nvidia card will still be 1200US, and I would call myself satisfied if I'd see a 500mm² die from AMD for less than 600$. AMD will position themselves within 10% of Nvidia pricing and they will steal a few additional market parts, but there will be no price war, everyone will be happy...
Not possible. If AMD has a comparable GPU performance wise, nobody would buy a 1200$ nvidia GPU, only the die hard fans maybe. That's why it is very unlikely they will price it that far apart. And AMD can not command higher prices than 700-800$, with their reputation, let's say.
 
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Yep all on point as ever.:clap::kookoo:
 

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Well then I will explain better. First of all 1st gen RTX sucked ass, so going from more or less zero to something will be what Nvidia will be doing, and not like, 1440p Ultra with RTX playable. In other words, yes it will be better, but it will most likely still suck. Just less so.

And why I have hope for AMD raytracing: like I said, because of the consoles, it has to be very well implemented to work, and because AMD is directly working with Microsoft, they have a good base for getting it running on DXR.

No I don't expect it will kick Nvidias Raytracing, but I expect it will be comparable, because after all, Nvidia never achieved anything great with RTX. It sucks atm and will probably suck later too.
So basically the ones already doing DXR cannot possibly improve it much while the ones not currently doing DXR will absolutely reach performance (and presumably quality) parity. That sounds about right, I don't imagine it could go other way :rolleyes:

Not possible. If AMD has a comparable GPU performance wise, nobody would buy a 1200$ nvidia GPU, only the die hard fans maybe. That's why it is very unlikely they will price it that far apart. And AMD can not command higher prices than 700-800$, with their reputation, let's say.
Threadripper and X570 have already shown you if AMD can beat the competition they can and will charge as much as the competition if not more.
 
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Anti-AMD people should better stick to other threads, like other guy said.
 
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So basically the ones already doing DXR cannot possibly improve it much while the ones not currently doing DXR will absolutely reach performance (and presumably quality) parity. That sounds about right, I don't imagine it could go other way :rolleyes:


Threadripper and X570 have already shown you if AMD can beat the competition they can and will charge as much as the competition if not more.
AMD just knows that intel is stuck so can play the game, they are a business.

Anti-AMD people should better stick to other threads, like other guy said.
When struggling don't be too fast to point out that someone actually is a fanboy, opinions are not always tied to an allegience but based on actual experience the user has with hardware.
 
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Well then I will explain better. First of all 1st gen RTX sucked ass, so going from more or less zero to something will be what Nvidia will be doing, and not like, 1440p Ultra with RTX playable. In other words, yes it will be better, but it will most likely still suck. Just less so.

And why I have hope for AMD raytracing: like I said, because of the consoles, it has to be very well implemented to work, and because AMD is directly working with Microsoft, they have a good base for getting it running on DXR.

No I don't expect it will kick Nvidias Raytracing, but I expect it will be comparable, because after all, Nvidia never achieved anything great with RTX. It sucks atm and will probably suck later too.
From what is being discussed around, the 3060 will have better RT performance than the 2080, Nvidia are already sure enough of their game to announce that. So performance will be decent, and if AMD beats them that would be quite an accomplishment because it is their first RT implementation. I guess we'll have to see.

Not possible. If AMD has a comparable GPU performance wise, nobody would buy a 1200$ nvidia GPU, only the die hard fans maybe. That's why it is very unlikely they will price it that far apart. And AMD can not command higher prices than 700-800$, with their reputation, let's say.
The problem is in the current generation AMD only gave us a 250mm² die, I'm pretty sure the next-gen will see a 500mm² die from them, but I'm not sure at all that they will try to compete in the +1000US gaming segment, so I'm afraid we will not see a full (700mm² ) die card from them.
As for price wars, that I am pretty certain about AMD don't want a price war, they will try to position themselves better in terms of price-performance than Nvidia, but we won't see a card under 1000US from AMD beating the 3080 Ti...
We'll see how it unravels in the fall, I guess :)
 

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That would be a 2.5% improvement. I wonder a mild uplift is to you :D
Where are you pulling your weak numbers from? Much like the rest of your speculative nonsense? I game at 1440. But I mean I can take hard numbers from Time Spy whee I get 1000+ more points And I’m CPU limited on my scores Try and tell me 1K isn’t a serious gain, then as+ usual you have zero experience but lots to say...
 
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In my experience levying the fanboy claim is nearly as harmful as being one yourself. Often times, it's even a projection of what you really are.

Bottom line here is be civil to one another.
 

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Where are you pulling your weak numbers from? Much like the rest of your speculative nonsense? I game at 1440. But I mean I can take hard numbers from Time Spy whee I get 1000+ more points And I’m CPU limited on my scores Try and tell me 1K isn’t a serious gain, then as+ usual you have zero experience but lots to say...
I got the number from your post. I bolded them for you.

Anti-AMD people should better stick to other threads, like other guy said.
What's the matter? Don't like it when people question speculations?
 
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From what is being discussed around, the 3060 will have better RT performance than the 2080, Nvidia are already sure enough of their game to announce that. So performance will be decent, and if AMD beats them that would be quite an accomplishment because it is their first RT implementation. I guess we'll have to see.
Even then it just means that you need to spend at least 800 bucks for the 3080 to have proper RTX, proper, as in 1080 Ultra, still not enough for 1440p probably. And yes we should simply wait and see.
The problem is in the current generation AMD only gave us a 250mm² die, I'm pretty sure the next-gen will see a 500mm² die from them, but I'm not sure at all that they will try to compete in the +1000US gaming segment, so I'm afraid we will not see a full (700mm² ) die card from them.
As for price wars, that I am pretty certain about AMD don't want a price war, they will try to position themselves better in terms of price-performance than Nvidia, but we won't see a card under 1000US from AMD beating the 3080 Ti...
We'll see how it unravels in the fall, I guess :)
AMD is constantly in price wars with their competitors, it's called capitalism for a reason.
Threadripper and X570 have already shown you if AMD can beat the competition they can and will charge as much as the competition if not more.
Nah, Radeon isn't Ryzen and Nvidia isn't Intel. Not really comparable. Not at all. Nvidia is far stronger in the GPU space than AMD is. And Radeon is not even remotely comparable to anything called Ryzen. Poor comparison. I hope I don't need to explain why.
 
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I must be the only bugger in this thread to not have had any problems with my 5700
 

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I must be the only bugger in this thread to not have had any problems with my 5700
Neah, it's pretty clear the problem affects less than 10% of the cards/configurations. It's just that people don't post "my X is working fine", no matter what you substitute for X.
I mean, go read an/any official support forum, it will make you think that company never made a good product in their entire existence ;)
 
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I got the number from your post. I bolded them for you.


What's the matter? Don't like it when people question speculations?
Your one of the biggest speculators? here.

I must be the only bugger in this thread to not have had any problems with my 5700
Your one of few in the thread With the card in question unfortunately.

No poll, nothing ,pointless.
 

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Your one of the biggest speculators? here.


Your one of few in the thread With the card in question unfortunately.
Yeah, well, you're from UK and you spell like that :D
 
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I must be the only bugger in this thread to not have had any problems with my 5700
That is good to hear though.
I specifically bought an RTX 2060 Super because of all the negative posts in various forums regarding the problems with the 5700 XT's.
While I was aware that a 5700XT that worked as advertised would out perform an RTX 2060 Super, I just didn't want the hassle of potentially getting a 5700 XT that ended up being as problematic as the various users on forums suggested it would be.
 
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That is good to hear though.
I specifically bought an RTX 2060 Super because of all the negative posts in various forums regarding the problems with the 5700 XT's.
While I was aware that a 5700XT that worked as advertised would out perform an RTX 2060 Super, I just didn't want the hassle of potentially getting a 5700 XT that ended up being as problematic as the various users on forums suggested it would be.
Welcome to the party! I watched and waited and waited for good custom made 5700 XTs and by the time it was ready I realized, I'm not in the market for being a alpha tester, so I simply bought a used 1080 Ti instead. Too many negative posts. What is more important than performance in the GPU market? Drivers. Just the fact, why Nvidia will never be in the position Intel is, even if RDNA 2 should be faster, which is not likely, people will simply buy GeForce because they either heard nothing from Radeon or, worse, they heard nothing good from Radeon.
 
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I must be the only bugger in this thread to not have had any problems with my 5700
I'll join you so you don't feel alone.
I'll chime in and say I reviewed several, no issues here either. I get one for the kiddo... it does. :(

That said, the issues are real. People are having trouble with this entire generation of cards (black screens). The driver says as much, did so since the 2nd Navi drivers and it hasn't been resolved.

I think this is a less than 5% thing for sure, but hell, 1 in 20 is a shed load of people. 1 in 40 (2.5%) is a shed load of people when you are selling hundreds of thousands of units.
 
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I'll chime in and say I reviewed several, no issues here either. I get one for the kiddo... it does. :(

That said, the issues are real. People are having trouble with this entire generation of cards (black screens). The driver says as much, did so since the 2nd Navi drivers and it hasn't been resolved.

I think this is a less than 5% thing, but hell, 1 in 20 is a shed load of people. 1 in 40 (2.5%) is a shed load of people when you are selling hundreds of thousands of units.
And sadly that 5% was enough to tilt my decision to grab a 2060 Super with slightly less performance for about the same price.
I honestly wanted a 5700 XT But seeing so many negative posts about the 5700 XT's on enthusiast forums made my decision for me.
And to be honest, I have no buyers remorse at all.
My MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 2060 Super performs very well for me with zero issues.
 
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I'll chime in and say I reviewed several, no issues here. I get one for the kiddo... it does. :(

That said, the issues are real. People are having trouble with this entire generation of cards. The driver says as much and it hasn't been resolved.

I think this is a less than 5% thing, but hell, 1 in 20 is a shed load of people. 1 in 40 is a shed load of people when you are selling hundreds of thousands of units.
I made the effort and went through all 5500 5600 and 5700 (XT) cards in a big etailer shop, read a ton of comments, and the summary is: 80% positive and 20% negative comments overall, with some cards having as much as 25% negative comments. This is buyers only, no fakes, the shop has a authority feature. Nvidia, simply, there is no card which has more than 5 or 10% negative comments, some are lower than 2% - AMD can't get anywhere near that satisfaction level. The drivers today, are like a beta still. Give it another 6 months I guess, it will finally be matured. AMD simply needs a year to get it done, I guess. GCN drivers are rock solid meanwhile, not comparable to the shit show RDNA is. Nvidia simply concentrates their vast driver team, while AMD is spread too thin with their multi processor company. Drivers are literally the hardest thing when it comes to GPUs - i literally heard that some tech guru say, after the question why there are only two big GPU companies today, and not more.
 
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And sadly that 5% was enough to tilt my decision to grab a 2060 Super with slightly less performance for about the same price.
I honestly wanted a 5700 XT But seeing so many negative posts about the 5700 XT's on enthusiast forums made my decision for me.
And to be honest, I have no buyers remorse at all.
My MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 2060 Super performs very well for me with zero issues.
See, that's the thing. I'm a gambling man. And I'll take a (hypothetical) 95% success rate any day of the week. Hell, I play Blackjack and have a 51% chance to LOSE and play that like it is going out of style.
I made the effort and went through all 5500 5600 and 5700 (XT) cards in a big etailer shop, read a ton of comments, and the summary is: 80% positive and 20% negative comments overall, with some cards having as much as 25% negative comments. This is buyers only, no fakes, the shop has a authority feature. Nvidia, simply, there is no card which has more than 5 or 10% negative comments, some are lower than 2% - AMD can't get anywhere near that satisfaction level. The drivers today, are like a beta still. Give it another 6 months I guess, it will finally be matured. AMD simply needs a year to get it done, I guess. GCN drivers are rock solid meanwhile, not comparable to the shit show RDNA is. Nvidia simply concentrates their vast driver team, while AMD is spread too thin with their multi processor company. Drivers are literally the hardest thing when it comes to GPUs - i literally heard that some tech guru say, after the question why there are only two big GPU companies today, and not more.
They aren't that bad. Surely.

But they've had a year, or damn close to it already. Adrenalin drivers tout stability and 2020 was their worst effort yet.

Again, I say that knowing few (though plenty) have been affected.
 
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