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I dunno, I went in expecting a shitshow and got one promptly. It was fixable by disabling idle though, and a few releases later the issue was gone completely.

I joined the bandwagon late Dec. though.
 
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AMD GPU replaced by something new would be best. But... who?
matrox? They are only one left.

Production and development of GPU is tough business. Even big intel had problems fighting with then ATi and nVIDIA on gaming GPU market. Some talented engineers (like from well known and already defunct Silicon Graphics/sgi) and former manufacturers with their patents and knowledge were taken by nVIDIA (3dFX), ATi (ArtX), VIA (S3). So even if there is some new kid on the block, it would be taken by intel, AMD, nVIDIA.
Practically you have monopolly or oligopolly. In other words, depending on product, more or less you have couple of large manufacturers dictating market and prices. That's "free market" for you, in other words, I don't believe in free market. Everything is controlled by somebody for better or worse plus "lobbying" (translation: bribery) and political games.
 
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Gee, some of you guys can be just ridiculous.

Driver issues is software, not hardware. AMD did fine with the hardware aspect of their cards. They screwed up on Drivers. OK. But seriously, calling for demise of AMD graphics cards because of that? That is just stupid beyond reason.

Drivers will be fixed. I built a couple machines with the AMD 5700xt and so far none of my customers complained (they also dont know how to install new drivers so I doubt they run anything newer than 19.12.
 
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I've had issues with RX 580 (and overall with Ryzen platform, BIOS issues etc. to extent I cursed the day I ditched intel and nVIDIA for good) but it was polished out after some time. One of my acquaintances bought Vega 56 when it was hot product and replaced it with nVIDIA counterpart of that time because he got tired of driver issues.
Anyway, Radeon cards age like fine wine but many are not patient to wait this. When you pay something you expect it to work.
When you had these issues with 580? I own that card since few months and i didn't have a single issue with it. What exactly were your issues?
 
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My Vega 64 has had zero issues with drivers but it was a mature architecture by the time I bought it. If you buy a brand new hardware design, you should expect growing pains. I have had driver issues with Nvidia and AMD products over the years. I can't really say one more so than the other. The one thing I can say, in my experience new graphics card architectures always come with their fair share of driver bugs. It's been a fair amount of time, they should have the vast majority of those bugs worked out at this point.
 

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matrox? They are only one left.

Production and development of GPU is tough business. Even big intel had problems fighting with then ATi and nVIDIA on gaming GPU market. Some talented engineers (like from well known and already defunct Silicon Graphics/sgi) and former manufacturers with their patents and knowledge were taken by nVIDIA (3dFX), ATi (ArtX), VIA (S3). So even if there is some new kid on the block, it would be taken by intel, AMD, nVIDIA.
Practically you have monopolly or oligopolly. In other words, depending on product, more or less you have couple of large manufacturers dictating market and prices. That's "free market" for you, in other words, I don't believe in free market. Everything is controlled by somebody for better or worse plus "lobbying" (translation: bribery) and political games.
Matrox uses AMD or Nvidia GPUs anyway, the dropped out after the 9700 Pro

My Vega 64 has had zero issues with drivers but it was a mature architecture by the time I bought it. If you buy a brand new hardware design, you should expect growing pains. I have had driver issues with Nvidia and AMD products over the years. I can't really say one more so than the other. The one thing I can say, in my experience new graphics card architectures always come with their fair share of driver bugs. It's been a fair amount of time, they should have the vast majority of those bugs worked out at this point.

Feedback is key instead of griping about it.
 
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Nothing out of the ordinary for me... Although I do clean installs of GPU drivers every time. Out of the 3 systems only my 2080 ti system had driver issues with mouse pointer corruption but that was fixed pretty fast.

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People would always vote with their wallets, simple.
 

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Hopefully this overblown issue will become more big and kills AMD.:clap::clap:

On side note : This indecates that AMD could have compatative 7nm GPU in their pipeline.
Perhaps you are unaware of what A GPU world without AMD would be like? It’s probably the worst situation imaginable.

There would be a complete lack of innovation and forward progress by Nvidia (that performance you seem so fond of would stop advancing) and prices would be as high as they wanted.
 
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Perhaps you are unaware of what A GPU world without AMD would be like? It’s probably the worst situation imaginable.

There would be a complete lack of innovation and forward progress by Nvidia (that performance you seem so fond of would stop advancing) and prices would be as high as they wanted.
World without AMD will be same as today.
Nvidia is gamers champion so they wont stop improving their performence. Dont forget nearly half of Nvidia's revenue comes from gaming gpu. If they stop improving their gpu, it could hurt their revenue.
 

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I ditched my Radeon 5770 due to drivers no longer working with the latest Windows 10 version.
 

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World without AMD will be same as today.
Nvidia is gamers champion so they wont stop improving their performence. Dont forget nearly half of Nvidia's revenue comes from gaming gpu. If they stop improving their gpu, it could hurt their revenue.
Wow. I don’t even...where to begin? Nevermind. Don’t drink too fast from that koolaid, lest you choke.
 
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Wow. I don’t even...where to begin? Nevermind. Don’t drink too fast from that koolaid, lest you choke.
There is a truth to what he is saying. Yes, prices will inflate further. But there is always a limit to what can be charged, and if Nvidia charges too much, they create wiggle room for competition.

AMD's IP for example won't die with the company, it will get bought and even if its on the shelf somewhere, it can be pulled out when opportunity arises. This also pushes Nvidia to keep progressing, and to keep itself in check. On top of that, if you're a monopolist, suddenly the world looks very different and you can't just decide everything yourself anymore. You've become a public asset.

But yeah. AMD's death was predicted many times, its a bit like PC gaming is dead. It never really is and part of the reason is exactly that Nvidia doesn't want to become that public asset on chains. They could have run AMD over another dozen times by now. I strongly question the purpose of an underdog that has shown little results to make a worthwhile dent. Since the ATI takeover, its been a downward trend, sometimes stabilizing, sometimes mildly recovering, but the trend still is down.

At some point in the past the rumor was Samsung. I think that was wishful thinking, and it would be a perfect player. Large enough, has fabs, etc.
 

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There is a truth to what he is saying. Yes, prices will inflate further. But there is always a limit to what can be charged, and if Nvidia charges too much, they create wiggle room for competition.

AMD's IP for example won't die with the company, it will get bought and even if its on the shelf somewhere, it can be pulled out when opportunity arises. This also pushes Nvidia to keep progressing, and to keep itself in check. On top of that, if you're a monopolist, suddenly the world looks very different and you can't just decide everything yourself anymore. You've become a public asset.

But yeah. AMD's death was predicted many times, its a bit like PC gaming is dead. It never really is.
TBH, I don't like monopolies (who does?), but isn't ASML already a monopoly in terms of producing EUV equipment for wafer etching?

Why doesn't ASML charge even more? I don't get it.
 
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TBH, I don't like monopolies (who does?), but isn't ASML already a monopoly in terms of producing EUV equipment for wafer etching?

Why doesn't ASML charge even more? I don't get it.
Because if the price is too high and the effort too great, companies are ready enough to regurgitate (for example) 14nm ad infinitum ;)

There is always a way, and that is why I also believe AMD as the eternal underdog isn't in our best interest at all. Its like half the market is on an infusion right now and has been for the last 3-5 years.

, I don't believe in free market. Everything is controlled by somebody for better or worse plus "lobbying" (translation: bribery) and political games.
There was a time when belief in free market really did work for us; in fact it did for hundreds of years, since colonization was a thing really. That is when free markets and trade as a vehicle for globalisation took flight. My country had a true golden age because of it (V.O.C. days) I think every system has its pros and cons, and the longer we work with it, the more hacks we find. That is the time we need to change the system.

I mean look at China. It abused our system of free markets while opening up much less of its own. Now the tables are turning and we're coming to realize that, slowly but surely. Its all connected here...

The movement IS happening, the beginnings may be small, but think back; we've heard talk of a 'base' income, instead of social welfare. We're starting to see there will be less work but more people; we're starting to realize we all share this planet and that for example something like co2 emissions is a task we all need to take part in, etc etc. We're looking at finite resources and infinite reproduction. Also, the monetary systems of the world are taking damage. Debt is a huge problem going forward, in many ways.

Anyway. Let's not get all philosophical :D
 
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There is a truth to what he is saying. Yes, prices will inflate further. But there is always a limit to what can be charged, and if Nvidia charges too much, they create wiggle room for competition.

AMD's IP for example won't die with the company, it will get bought and even if its on the shelf somewhere, it can be pulled out when opportunity arises. This also pushes Nvidia to keep progressing, and to keep itself in check. On top of that, if you're a monopolist, suddenly the world looks very different and you can't just decide everything yourself anymore. You've become a public asset.

But yeah. AMD's death was predicted many times, its a bit like PC gaming is dead. It never really is and part of the reason is exactly that Nvidia doesn't want to become that public asset on chains. They could have run AMD over another dozen times by now. I strongly question the purpose of an underdog that has shown little results to make a worthwhile dent. Since the ATI takeover, its been a downward trend, sometimes stabilizing, sometimes mildly recovering, but the trend still is down.

At some point in the past the rumor was Samsung. I think that was wishful thinking, and it would be a perfect player. Large enough, has fabs, etc.
You seem to have completely ignored the 5 liters of Koolaid gulped down with this choice sentence hidden in the middle of his last post: “Nvidia is gamers champion so they wont stop improving their performance.”
It’s this level of brainwashing I am objecting to.
 
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You seem to have completely ignored the 5 liters of Koolaid gulped down with this choice sentence hidden in the middle of his last post: “Nvidia is gamers champion so they wont stop improving their performance.”
It’s this level of brainwashing I am objecting to.
I do ignore that because I like to continue on the substance that was offered and not the bait.

Its a way of not feeding the troll, but rather diminish it into a lovely puppy that gets to play along ;)
 

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Nothing out of the ordinary for me... Although I do clean installs of GPU drivers every time. Out of the 3 systems only my 2080 ti system had driver issues with mouse pointer corruption but that was fixed pretty fast.

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Thats not the only time ive heard that with nv drivers, it occurred with gf 1000 even

I ditched my Radeon 5770 due to drivers no longer working with the latest Windows 10 version.
Dude that card is 10+ years old, and that is a microsoft problem, ms breaks their OS every build
 
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I did for a while. Latest WHQL drivers and not using most of the features in the driver seems to have helped. They're the worst I've ever used with AMD. Hopefully they start getting their shit together for their GPU's.
 

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Dude that card is 10+ years old, and that is a microsoft problem
I know it cannot play modern games, but it's strong enough for 2D/windows compositor (it needs shaders) and video decoding on YouTube.

You cannot do that with the generic VESA driver. I wouldn't say it's Microsoft's fault, since AMD ditched TeraScale in 2015, only 4 years after the last TeraScale card was released:


This is a lot stronger than cards like GT 1030 and yet, there's no driver support anymore.

As much as I want to support AMD, they have chronic issues with their driver support. For example, OpenCL on Radeon 5770 gave you half the VRAM, unless you downgraded to 14.4 Catalyst. Navi also has (had?) OpenCL issues. Now compare that with CUDA, which is being used a lot by professionals...

And of course you need the latest available Catalyst (15.7.1) just to run Windows 10 1803 (which is also EOL). Newer Windows 10 versions have a newer WDDM, which requires even newer drivers, so you get my point.

nVidia's Fermi lasted 8 years (2010-2018).
 

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I know it cannot play modern games, but it's strong enough for 2D/windows compositor (it needs shaders) and video decoding on YouTube.

You cannot do that with the generic VESA driver. I wouldn't say it's Microsoft's fault, since AMD ditched TeraScale in 2015, only 4 years after the last TeraScale card was released:


This is a lot stronger than cards like GT 1030 and yet, there's no driver support anymore.

As much as I want to support AMD, they have chronic issues with their driver support. For example, OpenCL on Radeon 5770 gave you half the VRAM, unless you downgraded to 14.4 Catalyst. Navi also has (had?) OpenCL issues. Now compare that with CUDA, which is being used a lot by professionals...

And of course you need the latest available Catalyst (15.7.1) just to run Windows 10 1803 (which is also EOL). Newer Windows 10 versions have a newer WDDM, which requires even newer drivers, so you get my point.

nVidia's Fermi lasted 8 years (2010-2018).
With the crap ms pulled with 10 I refuse to use it on any system.

Linux is my next system OS
 

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With the crap ms pulled with 10 I refuse to use it on any system.

Linux is my next system OS
Whatever works for you. I know Linux has better support for older cards via open-source drivers, but depending on someone's usage scenarios, it may not be for everyone.
 
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I know it cannot play modern games, but it's strong enough for 2D/windows compositor (it needs shaders) and video decoding on YouTube.

You cannot do that with the generic VESA driver. I wouldn't say it's Microsoft's fault, since AMD ditched TeraScale in 2015, only 4 years after the last TeraScale card was released:


This is a lot stronger than cards like GT 1030 and yet, there's no driver support anymore.

As much as I want to support AMD, they have chronic issues with their driver support. For example, OpenCL on Radeon 5770 gave you half the VRAM, unless you downgraded to 14.4 Catalyst. Navi also has (had?) OpenCL issues. Now compare that with CUDA, which is being used a lot by professionals...

And of course you need the latest available Catalyst (15.7.1) just to run Windows 10 1803 (which is also EOL). Newer Windows 10 versions have a newer WDDM, which requires even newer drivers, so you get my point.

nVidia's Fermi lasted 8 years (2010-2018).
Are you serious or a shilll.

This threads about Amd driver issues on the modern 5700 your bemoaning support for a ten year old Amd card you say you still own and use while promoting Nvidia as better.

Stinks.


Make a new thread so I can ignore that and read this one.
 

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Are you serious or a shilll.

This threads about Amd driver issues on the modern 5700 your bemoaning support for a ten year old Amd card you say you still own and use while promoting Nvidia as better.

Stinks.

Make a new thread so I can ignore that and read this one.
I read the title ("How many of you Radeon 5700 owners have ditched your cards over the drivers") and I responded as a former Radeon 57XX owner.

You do know that Navi series was inspired by the TeraScale series naming scheme (57XX), don't you? There's a reason for that, because TeraScale was considered legendary back then. AMD's marketing department knew that.

I do not use it anymore. Learn to read properly. And try to be more polite next time, otherwise I can also be an a-hole towards you. Learn to disagree politely. I didn't even attack the guy who wants AMD to close up shop, even though I disagree with him.

What stinks here my friend is the fact that AMD still hasn't fixed their driver issues after 10+ years (assuming it's a driver issue, because a hardware/silicon issue could be even worse). You don't know who you're talking to. I used to be a big AMD supporter in terms of promoting Radeon as a better GPU choice. So leave the judgment for someone else, you're barking up the wrong tree.
 
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