How many of you Radeon 5700 owners have ditched your cards over the drivers?

[theoneandonlymrk]

I read the title ("How many of you Radeon 5700 owners have ditched your cards over the drivers") and I responded as a former Radeon 57XX owner.

You do know that Navi series was inspired by the TeraScale series naming scheme (57XX), don't you? There's a reason for that, because TeraScale was considered legendary back then. AMD's marketing department knew that.

I do not use it anymore. Learn to read properly. And try to be more polite next time, otherwise I can also be an a-hole towards you. Learn to disagree politely. I didn't even attack the guy who wants AMD to close up shop, even though I disagree with him.

Learn to read properly, are you taking the piss.

You read that title and thought we were all debating a ten year old card not the one just released six months ago, and it's me who should read again and be polite.
I read it right first time shill jog on.

 

[IceShroom]

I know it cannot play modern games, but it's strong enough for 2D/windows compositor (it needs shaders) and video decoding on YouTube.

You cannot do that with the generic VESA driver. I wouldn't say it's Microsoft's fault, since AMD ditched TeraScale in 2015, only 4 years after the last TeraScale card was released:

AMD Radeon HD 6990 Specs

AMD Antilles x2, 830 MHz, 1536 Cores, 96 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 2048 MB GDDR5, 1250 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

This is a lot stronger than cards like GT 1030 and yet, there's no driver support anymore.

As much as I want to support AMD, they have chronic issues with their driver support. For example, OpenCL on Radeon 5770 gave you half the VRAM, unless you downgraded to 14.4 Catalyst. Navi also has (had?) OpenCL issues. Now compare that with CUDA, which is being used a lot by professionals...

And of course you need the latest available Catalyst (15.7.1) just to run Windows 10 1803 (which is also EOL). Newer Windows 10 versions have a newer WDDM, which requires even newer drivers, so you get my point.

nVidia's Fermi lasted 8 years (2010-2018).

You dont need new WDDM to run on new Windows version. I ran my Intel HD 4600 with Windows 10 1903 up untill last August.
And letest driver for HH 6990 is 16.2.1. https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-hd/amd-radeon-hd-6000-series/amd-radeon-hd-6850

 

[jermando]

Learn to read properly, are you taking the piss.

You read that title and thought we were all debating a ten year old card not the one just released six months ago, and it's me who should read again and be polite.
I read it right first time shill jog on.

You're still calling me a shill?

Piss off.

You dont need new WDDM to run on new Windows version. I ran my Intel HD 4600 with Windows 10 1903 up untill last August.
And letest driver for HH 6990 is 16.2.1. https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-hd/amd-radeon-hd-6000-series/amd-radeon-hd-6850

I had also tried the beta version (16.2.1) and it was even worse in terms of stability (freezes while playing videos) compared to the WHQL (15.7.1) one. That was with 1803, because the newer Win10 version didn't even boot.

Anyway, as I said I ditched TeraScale and I was looking forward to Navi as much as AdoredTV did. Disappointment happens sometimes.

 

[IceShroom]

Wow. I don’t even...where to begin? Nevermind. Don’t drink too fast from that koolaid, lest you choke.

Fact is koolaid now??

I had also tried the beta version (16.2.1) and it was even worse in terms of stability (freezes while playing videos) compared to the WHQL (15.7.1) one. That was with 1803, because the newer Win10 version didn't even boot.

Anyway, as I said I ditched TeraScale and I was looking forward to Navi as much as AdoredTV did. Disappointment happens sometimes.

Weird problem. This guy had no problem with Windows 10 1909.

And if you believe GTX 1080 like performence with $250 price tag like Adored, then you have the right to be dissappointed.

 

[Chloe Price]

What I've read, there seems to be problems with the display controller, the graphics card itself isn't the issue.

 

[eidairaman1]

You're still calling me a shill?

Piss off.


I had also tried the beta version (16.2.1) and it was even worse in terms of stability (freezes while playing videos) compared to the WHQL (15.7.1) one. That was with 1803, because the newer Win10 version didn't even boot.

Anyway, as I said I ditched TeraScale and I was looking forward to Navi as much as AdoredTV did. Disappointment happens sometimes.

No problems with 16.12s

 

[Vya Domus]

What stinks here my friend is the fact that AMD still hasn't fixed their driver issues after 10+ years

They haven't fixed their drivers issues after 10+ years as opposed to what ? Fixing their drivers for eternity or going back to something that didn't work 10 years ago ? What's that even supposed to mean ?

Does Nvidia fix stuff from 10 years ago, is that not as stinky as you say? I've had software related issues with my Nvidia cards that would have convinced the overwhelming majority of users to ditch them, twilight zone type of problems that seem impossible to fix. I've found solutions for them eventually but without trying sound arrogant I cannot possibly see how an average user would have done the same.

They both have an endless list of issues that never get resolved or make your head explode trying to sort them out, if you believe for a second one's a saint and the other "stinks", you're not just drinking the Nvidia koolaid but rather you've switched to full blood transfusions with the stuff.

 

[RandallFlagg]

There is a truth to what he is saying. Yes, prices will inflate further. But there is always a limit to what can be charged, and if Nvidia charges too much, they create wiggle room for competition.

AMD's IP for example won't die with the company, it will get bought and even if its on the shelf somewhere, it can be pulled out when opportunity arises. This also pushes Nvidia to keep progressing, and to keep itself in check. On top of that, if you're a monopolist, suddenly the world looks very different and you can't just decide everything yourself anymore. You've become a public asset.

But yeah. AMD's death was predicted many times, its a bit like PC gaming is dead. It never really is and part of the reason is exactly that Nvidia doesn't want to become that public asset on chains. They could have run AMD over another dozen times by now. I strongly question the purpose of an underdog that has shown little results to make a worthwhile dent. Since the ATI takeover, its been a downward trend, sometimes stabilizing, sometimes mildly recovering, but the trend still is down.

At some point in the past the rumor was Samsung. I think that was wishful thinking, and it would be a perfect player. Large enough, has fabs, etc.

kool aid talk.

For a monopoly, it is all about maximizing returns. It turns to financial speak, not tech speak. And that, like any science, is well defined as to methodology.

It would work like this : As CEO I make 10M cards a year right now at $200 per card avg for $2B in revenue. The card costs me $150 to make so I profit $50 each or $500M.
My analyst just did a study and says that now my competition is gone I can increase the price to $300 and I’ll still sell at least 7M cards. The card now costs 175 each to make due to loss of economy of scale, but I make $125 profit each vs $50. This means my revenue will go up 5% to 2.1B but my profit will skyrocket from 500M to 875M a 75% jump! My stock options are going to be pure gold! Now, hm how do we convince people we’re adding value.. Where’s that marketing exec at, get him in here!

Take it from an old corporate fart, this is the way the real world works.

 

[Vya Domus]

My analyst just did a study and says that now my competition is gone I can increase the price to $300 and I’ll still sell at least 7M cards.

Thing is though, in the real world that's just a study and studies have varying levels of accuracy that may or may not translate well into a good decision.

 

[R-T-B]

Fact is koolaid now??

Opinion != fact

And if you believe GTX 1080 like performence with $250 price tag like Adored, then you have the right to be dissappointed.

Doing fine, thanks.

 

[Vya Domus]

Opinion != fact

Every time I see a "!=" I wonder how many people look at that and think you must have misspelled something.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Thing is though, in the real world that's just a study and studies have varying levels of accuracy that may or may not translate well into a good decision.

There is a financial curve for a monopoly to create scarcity by decreasing supply and thus increase prices and profit. There is a point on that curve where higher prices and lower supply maximize profit. This is a *fact* and is all my oversimplified example was meant to convey.

 

[Vya Domus]

There is a financial curve for a monopoly to create scarcity by decreasing supply and thus increase prices and profit. There is a point on that curve where higher prices and lower supply maximize profit. This is a *fact* and is all my oversimplified example was meant to convey.

It's not that this isn't a "fact" but whether or not companies that are in that position actually get to optimize their profits like that depends on many other other factors that are in or out of their control.

 

[ChristTheGreat]

I had issue with december driver (fan speed profile wasn't working, some game problem), but with 2020 driver, no issue. I didn't enable freesync back yet, hope it works fine now..

 

[xkm1948]

Opinion != fact



Doing fine, thanks.

Ahh didn't see you hopped on the red train there froggy, how is the ride?

 

[R-T-B]

Every time I see a "!=" I wonder how many people look at that and think you must have misspelled something.

Silly boolean logic, tricks are for kids.

Ahh didn't see you hopped on the red train there froggy, how is the ride?

As well as I was expecting. The usual.

 

[xkm1948]

Silly boolean logic, tricks are for kids.



As well as I was expecting. The usual.

Win10 Enterprise sounds pretty cool. So I assume the regular driver works just fine there?


Also

Spoiler

Man just noticed your avatar has become all vicious, side of effect of going red? Those red eyes and sharp teeth man,

I like this one way better. Mellow and claim.

 

[PatrioTFreedom45]

When you had these issues with 580? I own that card since few months and i didn't have a single issue with it. What exactly were your issues?

Off the record I to have the almost the same one but only a 570 RX XFX GDDR5 4gb. I only had it for 34 days and I have been getting flickering issues on screen while playing games. It Used but also almost brand new. It only does it when playing games. I'm starting to think that I have made another bad decision. All I wanted was a graphic card that can handle gaming entertainment and media stuff. I have the new driver version the 2020 adrenaline 19.12.3. now install from the web site. That was the only one I found about a month ago. The first 30 minutes of playing fallout 4 works great then after that it flickering in the screen like its losing signal like you lose signal on a cable TV channel. I have in the past reinstall the driver again then it usually works great for about a week later after that it starts at it again. Last time I reinstalled the driver last week it somewhat helped then things have been gotten more stranger. The blue screen of death started happening. Video Card schedule error or something like that. I have used some software to test the graphic card with OCCT v5.5.1 which the graphic card passed and no errors found. But I still have the same issues. I don't know if it the PSU lacking power in the cable connection or driver version problem.

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With the crap ms pulled with 10 I refuse to use it on any system.

Linux is my next system OS

Im starting to think the Same way. I have windows 10 Enterprise 1908 version. I like it but it got a lot of issues in drivers and HDD controller problems. I have noticed it burns up hard drives like firewood. I have bought 3 hard drives in less than 6 months and two of them out of 3 is has been stopped working or the other has reallocate count 100 which is going to have to replace again.

I really like windows 7 because I didn't have so much trouble with it. I have read on Microsoft website that they are not making another version of Windows like say windows 11 and windows 10 is last stop for windows. But only updated windows 10. I don't know if that a good thing for Windows to stop making new window OS because of a Continuous changes of data in the world.

Win10 Enterprise sounds pretty cool. So I assume the regular driver works just fine there?


Also

Spoiler

Man just noticed your avatar has become all vicious, side of effect of going red? Those red eyes and sharp teeth man,

I like this one way better. Mellow and claim.

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I have windows 10 Enterprise 1908 its better than pro. More features... But be aware of HDD failures I went through 2 of less than 6 months. Im assuming that windows isn't slowing down the hard drive and causing them to over heat. Don't use Sata HDD Drive continues to spend in high speed non stop making them heat up. Sata drive down like heat over 46 ° degree C. I would recommend us SSD hard drives for Windows 10 Enterprise. Yes these SSD drives are alittle pricey but they are better for upload gaming and apps and alot faster than Sata drives.

I had issue with december driver (fan speed profile wasn't working, some game problem), but with 2020 driver, no issue. I didn't enable freesync back yet, hope it works fine now..

Can you please tell me what version drivers that you are using. I'm using the 19.12.3 which I'm having flickering while playing games. Thanks

Oh missed a word Sata drive don't like heat over 46 degrees Celsius.

 

[tvamos]

I've had more issues with 5700xt first month than any other card before.

But also cannot blame only the drivers as windows would give me all sorts of bsod codes, almost always a different one, leading me to believe it was my ram or ssd. Then again before this card system was stable.

Things got a lot better with later drivers and some bios tweaking. Later changed cpu as well, got better, new drivers, better. Now I get blackscreen with sound once or twice a week.

Bottom line, after a lot of changes to system and new drivers it is way better than at first, but can't tell what was causing me problems. Too lazy and time restricted to do full check or win reinstall.

 

[Vayra86]

kool aid talk.

For a monopoly, it is all about maximizing returns. It turns to financial speak, not tech speak. And that, like any science, is well defined as to methodology.

It would work like this : As CEO I make 10M cards a year right now at $200 per card avg for $2B in revenue. The card costs me $150 to make so I profit $50 each or $500M.
My analyst just did a study and says that now my competition is gone I can increase the price to $300 and I’ll still sell at least 7M cards. The card now costs 175 each to make due to loss of economy of scale, but I make $125 profit each vs $50. This means my revenue will go up 5% to 2.1B but my profit will skyrocket from 500M to 875M a 75% jump! My stock options are going to be pure gold! Now, hm how do we convince people we’re adding value.. Where’s that marketing exec at, get him in here!

Take it from an old corporate fart, this is the way the real world works.

It already works like that, look at Nvidias financials right here. That is the point really; AMDs presence has too little impact in dGPU.

 

[Ryzen_7]

When you had these issues with 580? I own that card since few months and i didn't have a single issue with it. What exactly were your issues?

Long time ago, before release of RX 590, when prices suddenly dropped to somewhat normal levels after crypto-mining craze although I am still mad I did not bought Nitro+ instead of Pulse for various reasons (heavier, longer (I was not sure it would fit in my older case at that time before I bought new etc.) because price was similar to Pulse version at that time.

I've got black screens and BSoD's, WattMan problems.

Even they use AMD now.

It's AMD, Intel, or nvidia.

I did not knew that, thanks for information.

 

[Vayra86]

Learn to read properly, are you taking the piss.

You read that title and thought we were all debating a ten year old card not the one just released six months ago, and it's me who should read again and be polite.
I read it right first time shill jog on.

Nah he is just connecting the dots. For many users the perception of a brand and its quality level stems from more than their most recent purchase. It may not be what you WANT to hear, but who's problem is that really?!

You are way out of line here in tone and content. It is only fair to look at driver quality in a long term perspective.

 

[spectatorx]

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Looks like you have more problems with your pc overall and they are not related to gpu itself, gpu problems may be side-effects of your other problems. I suggest you to create separate thread and list there all your pc components. Latest driver is 20.2.1, perform clean update to that version, you can download it either here on tpu or at amd.com.

Without your pc specs at the moment i would name few things: replace hdmi/display port/whatever connection you use cable. With such amount of failing hdds it is definitely not windows issue, i would guess it is broken sata controller damaging your drives or you were extremely unlucky and bought so many bad drives. If all of them were seagate (just guessing, do not judge me too much) then do not use seagate drives as they are infamous of failing soon after purchase or working without issues for years. Some drives can reach 46 degrees but it is either bad cooling or some old tech hdds. Replacing sata cables is another good idea. Such problems also could be caused by too weak or bad psu.

All of these are just guesses from me, create separate thread about that and list all details (as exact models as possible) of your pc: cpu, motherboard, hdds, gpu, psu, display, display connection, pc case, cooling setup, optical disc drives (if any) and so on.

Long time ago, before release of RX 590, when prices suddenly dropped to somewhat normal levels after crypto-mining craze although I am still mad I did not bought Nitro+ instead of Pulse for various reasons (heavier, longer etc.) because price was similar to Pulse version at that time.

I've got black screens and BSoD's, WattMan problems.

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I have nitro+ but from what i see people enjoy their pulse models as well. It is hard to say, i keep my hardware and software up to date and i really do not have any issues in system, games, web browsing or anything. Oh, no, sorry, i have one issue, sort of artifacting when i set refreshrate to 75Hz, under linux, and this problem is known there on all polaris gpus (480, 580, 590, etc.) but i do not mind using 60Hz under linux as i do not game there. On windows everything works fine under any conditions.

 

[P4-630]

@dirtyferret why not make a poll.

 

[cucker tarlson]

@dirtyferret why not make a poll.

Better trust amd partners who claim 5x higher return rates for navi than ever before.