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Nvidia has never ever driver issue`s and is 100% perfect.....:rolleyes:



https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/9r8ee1
The moral of the story is that every company sometimes has some problems. Wonder why everyone forgets about Nvidia's (driver) problems fast.

I myself have had little to no problems with both Nvidia and AMD.
 
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Nvidia has never ever driver issue`s and is 100% perfect.....:rolleyes:



https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/9r8ee1
The moral of the story is that every company sometimes has some problems. Wonder why everyone forgets about Nvidia's (driver) problems fast.

I myself have had little to no problems with both Nvidia and AMD.
That was entirely micron gddr6 failure.
 
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That may or may not, but people do not buy the card at Micron but at Nvidia so it is their problem. Nvidia should have tested the card better in that case. But that was only the case with the RTX cards, there have been more problems with cards and drivers and still, as said, no one is talking about it anymore and Nvidia is always 100% perfect ...:rolleyes:

I'm just curious why that is, people never forget the mistakes of AMD even if it was 15/20 years ago and at Nvidia or Intel the problems are forgotten very quickly, interesting if you ask me.
 
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I'm just curious why that is, people never forget the mistakes of AMD even if it was 15/20 years ago and at Nvidia or Intel the problems are forgotten very quickly, interesting if you ask me.
There are far more Intel and Nvidia fanboys than AMD ones, that's all.
 
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Nvidia has never ever driver issue`s and is 100% perfect.....:rolleyes:

The moral of the story is that every company sometimes has some problems. Wonder why everyone forgets about Nvidia's (driver) problems fast.
As with everything in real life, things have to be put in perspective and compared.
Many of you guys here like to pretend like AMD's continuous driver issues are negligible because Nvidia have had an occasional bug too, while turning the argument on the flip side while bashing Intel for (mostly theoretical) bugs and ignoring the ones from AMD.
If we are to discuss this fairly, we have to take into account the impact, severity and time to fix of bugs.

An occasional driver bug which is quickly identified and resolved is never okay in my book, but still doesn't rise to the level of severity of persistent fundamental problems with software.

AMD should have had a huge driver advantage; their recent GPUs have very few ISA changes, and the driver changes between Polaris, Vega and Navi are minuscule, mostly just changing of a few parameters. So by any rational thinking, AMD should have had plenty of time to make the most rock solid graphics driver ever. But still, stutter, random crashes and glitches has persisted since the early days of GCN, and have been a recurring subject for every new hardware release. Problems like this most likely reside deep in the core driver, which they have barely changed for years.
 
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That may or may not
I thought that case was quite clear.

An occasional driver bug which is quickly identified and resolved is never okay in my book, but still doesn't rise to the level of severity of persistent fundamental problems with software.
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Nvidia has never ever driver issue`s and is 100% perfect.....:rolleyes:
Did anyone say that??

Also a hardware issue isnt, well, software my dude. As far as the failing cards, nothing was 100% confirmed. Sure, samsung ics came out, but guess what..they died too. And suddenly without mass bio updates or a hotfix driver they work...so it's a hardware issue of some sort it seems. Also, that was blown out of proportion by many.

As many have said and agreed. Both have their share of problems. As of right now and since the release of Navi/rdna, amd has had more issues...especially since adrenalin 2020. That said, weve seen improvements with more frequent updates to fix it...so it is what is. :)
 
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15 years and 6 Radeon/AMD cards. 7th the 5700XT now. (1950Pro, HD3870, HD4870, HD6970, R9 390X, R580 -> 5700XT)
Every time I had a severe issue, with crashes and restarts, was due to CPU or GPU oc.-
Anything driver related at worst was shitty fan behaviour.

1.5 month ago replaced the RX580 with 5700XT. No clean win installs no DDU. When I first replace the card I got random in game reboots. I played with MSIafterburner thinking that was something wrong with the GPU. Tried drivers prior and after adrenalin 2020. Same behaviour.
Well, I backed down my RAM OC (speed and timings mostly and trfc) and it all went away. The same OC that previously with RX580 wasnt causing any issue. Wasnt giving any error or crash on stability tests...
Since then no issue.

I really want to see (but I cant) if all this blown matter is related to specific brands and/or to OCed systems.
Why HardwareUnboxed who did, God knows how many, reviews and tests with almost every 5700XT there is out there, never had such an issue? Statistically it should have at least once.
All this is a very good Anti-AMD -go buy nVIdia GPU campain (not this thread) and I believe some people took the opportunity to exaggerate and dramatize, an issue... but not perhaps a GPU drivers issue. And whatever it is, I dont think its that broad.
I personally dont see it, never had such issues.
 
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Nvidia has never ever driver issue`s and is 100% perfect.....:rolleyes:



https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/9r8ee1
The moral of the story is that every company sometimes has some problems. Wonder why everyone forgets about Nvidia's (driver) problems fast.

I myself have had little to no problems with both Nvidia and AMD.
They aren't forgotten... and when you did have one, you'd RMA it and get a replacement. Its not really a question of drivers, is it... Its not the first time either! I ALSO have not forgotten how Pascal cards with Micron GDDR5X needed a bios update to run proper:

We don't forget. No worries.

Issues happen because every gen its new tech in some way, most of the time, silicon lottery is a thing, and balance is tight (cooling/cost/perf/quality). That is fine. What is not fine is issues that linger or keep returning, or when they get fixed, cause new problems. It highlights a fundamental flaw or workaround situation and points to a product that can be further improved, but isn't.

The moral is that yes every company has its problems, and over the long run you can see a general approach to those problems. In that, the companies are not the same at all, and yes, I and several others do attribute value to that difference. Its part of that mindshare thing, which is so much more than just marketing. Its about consistency and trust, on both ends.

The thing about trust... its so much effort to build up, and so easy to break down. That also shines light on why Zen CPUs need some ramp up time to really start selling. We're not used to them, yet. In the same way, AMD's inconsistent GPU gens of the last few years do much more damage than most people think. They eat away at that trust.
 
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I have nitro+ but from what i see people enjoy their pulse models as well. It is hard to say, i keep my hardware and software up to date and i really do not have any issues in system, games, web browsing or anything. Oh, no, sorry, i have one issue, sort of artifacting when i set refreshrate to 75Hz, under linux, and this problem is known there on all polaris gpus (480, 580, 590, etc.) but i do not mind using 60Hz under linux as i do not game there. On windows everything works fine under any conditions.
Nitro+ is quieter and I tend to have my computer as quiet as possible. Once I owned Sapphire HD4850 (I should have bought Toxic version instead), it was regular, loud crap version, there was not silent option on this card, and I bought Zalman VF900-Cu custom cooler with passive heatsinks and once I took those heatsinks away, I've got screen artifacts because somehow contacts between PCB and memory chips were not strong enough I think, and I finally destroyed this card by "baking" it in oven by not knowing how to do it properly.

Moral of story, I would never ever buy regular versions of graphic cards anymore. By the way, on my Asus Strix GTX 960 card fans are not running even when computer is turned on, while Sapphire Pulse RX 580 fans stop only when Windows is loaded.

Anyway, even if I've had a reason or opportunity to buy current Navi 10 line of GPU's, I will wait for newer and improved iterations. RX 580 serves me well and I tend to play older games where in some cases my card is not even sweating.
 
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Win10 Enterprise sounds pretty cool. So I assume the regular driver works just fine there?


Also
Man just noticed your avatar has become all vicious, side of effect of going red? Those red eyes and sharp teeth man,

I like this one way better. Mellow and claim.

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The enterprise I use is really just Pro under a different license model for my business, so yeah.

The avatar was earned and is a badge of shame when I went briefly insane and bit sneekypeet and w1zzards collective heads off in a PM due to a bad reaction to some supposedly mild meds. Ask them about it if you want... It was different. I believe I told w1zzarrd that he had to fire Sneeky or his site would go to hell or something. :laugh:

Fortunately, I quickly realized what was going on and am back to not giving a crap. Sorry to all involved, anyhow.

As for Navi, it's also been different but nothing I wasn't expecting. I had to fix a lot of crap myself at first and the drivers are just now implementing a lot of the stuff driver side I used to do in the SoftPowerPlay tables myself. As usual with AMD, you can get some performance for your money but it's kinda a tweakfest. I'd say it's ok for some but YMMV, as always. I think nvidia's experience is a bit more polished but there are other fees involved there. :laugh:
 
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Off the record I to have the almost the same one but only a 570 RX XFX GDDR5 4gb. I only had it for 34 days and I have been getting flickering issues on screen while playing games. It Used but also almost brand new. It only does it when playing games. I'm starting to think that I have made another bad decision. All I wanted was a graphic card that can handle gaming entertainment and media stuff. I have the new driver version the 2020 adrenaline 19.12.3. now install from the web site. That was the only one I found about a month ago. The first 30 minutes of playing fallout 4 works great then after that it flickering in the screen like its losing signal like you lose signal on a cable TV channel. I have in the past reinstall the driver again then it usually works great for about a week later after that it starts at it again. Last time I reinstalled the driver last week it somewhat helped then things have been gotten more stranger. The blue screen of death started happening. Video Card schedule error or something like that. I have used some software to test the graphic card with OCCT v5.5.1 which the graphic card passed and no errors found. But I still have the same issues. I don't know if it the PSU lacking power in the cable connection or driver version problem. View attachment 144905IView attachment 144904
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Im starting to think the Same way. I have windows 10 Enterprise 1908 version. I like it but it got a lot of issues in drivers and HDD controller problems. I have noticed it burns up hard drives like firewood. I have bought 3 hard drives in less than 6 months and two of them out of 3 is has been stopped working or the other has reallocate count 100 which is going to have to replace again.

I really like windows 7 because I didn't have so much trouble with it. I have read on Microsoft website that they are not making another version of Windows like say windows 11 and windows 10 is last stop for windows. But only updated windows 10. I don't know if that a good thing for Windows to stop making new window OS because of a Continuous changes of data in the world.


I have windows 10 Enterprise 1908 its better than pro. More features... But be aware of HDD failures I went through 2 of less than 6 months. Im assuming that windows isn't slowing down the hard drive and causing them to over heat. Don't use Sata HDD Drive continues to spend in high speed non stop making them heat up. Sata drive down like heat over 46 ° degree C. I would recommend us SSD hard drives for Windows 10 Enterprise. Yes these SSD drives are alittle pricey but they are better for upload gaming and apps and alot faster than Sata drives.


Can you please tell me what version drivers that you are using. I'm using the 19.12.3 which I'm having flickering while playing games. Thanks

Oh missed a word Sata drive don't like heat over 46 degrees Celsius.

using the 20.1.4 January 27.
 
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Thanks for your reply. Is your version drivers better than 19.12.3 or have you experience any difference in better performance and does it have flickering issues like mind? I'm sorry for asking too many questions I'm new in AMD cards. It's my first one I've ever owned. I usually get Nidvia cards in the pass. I decided to go with all AMD products even with motherboards since I was brought up in Intel since the 90's in school. Something

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Let's all agree that it's time to retire the "fine wine" moniker for AMD GPUs. Fine wine implies wine that starts good and gets better over time, whereas AMD GPUs seem more like vinegar that eventually turns into mostly-acceptable wine.

That's harsh bordering on unfair, but AMD (and its fanbois) needs to understand that good hardware alone is not good enough. You aren't buying hardware, you're buying a full product, and drivers are a vital part of that. And until AMD puts correct focus on their drivers, I'll keep bitching about them.
 
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Thanks for your reply. Is your version drivers better than 19.12.3 or have you experience any difference in better performance and does it have flickering issues like mind? I'm sorry for asking too many questions I'm new in AMD cards. It's my first one I've ever owned. I usually get Nidvia cards in the pass. I decided to go with all AMD products even with motherboards since I was brought up in Intel since the 90's in school. Something

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Well, my flicker were with freesync on, but as for now, with these driver, I have no issue at all. I have an Asus Strix RX5700.
 

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Let's all agree that it's time to retire the "fine wine" moniker for AMD GPUs. Fine wine implies wine that starts good and gets better over time, whereas AMD GPUs seem more like vinegar that eventually turns into mostly-acceptable wine.
Imho, wine starts out good and can end up better than anything else.
AMD cards on the other may end up trouble free, but by the time that happens they're pretty much obsolete. I mean, sure RX580 will run fine today and it's even got good (great?) Linux support, but it won't play recent AAA titles well.
 
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I had an xfx 4890 when it was new. Nice card. 900 core stock, able to do well over 1ghz core. Touch the memory by even 1mhz and you entered the flicker zone. I gave that card away for free in a forum. Looks like somethings don’t change. That’s too bad because I was considering an AMD card.
 
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Why ditch them ? haha, never ! I've run a few tests on a friend of mines 5700 XT, he recently purchased the card and installed the newer drivers, he is very happy, I was quite impress with Shadow of the Tomb Raider on Ultra and also Gears Of War 5, just unbelievable framerates,

anyway

After 3 years my RX-580 is better than ever ! the framerates drastically improved on my favourite titles !

I remember when these cards were new they compared it to the GTX 1060 and the nVidia card slightly outperformed the AMD card in almost all games titles and now it's the other way around...

AMD cards really improves like wine, just like many stated.

another buddy of mine build a second PC with AMD graphics so he can play older titles again. something he claims he struggles with his nVidia cards drivers, the older driver don't want to work in the newer cards or so, not sure....

If I could choose I will go AMD, I remember back in the day with Quake 3, the ATi Radeon 9700/9800 Pro cards were new and they blew everything else out of the water...

So, I'm in for the fine wine :)
 
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So it took 3 years for your frames to increase on your favorite titles?

That doesn't sound inspiring.

My frames are always good on my ancient 980, but I am still on 1080p.
 
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So it took 3 years for your frames to increase on your favorite titles?

That doesn't sound inspiring.

My frames are always good on my ancient 980, but I am still on 1080p.
Nope it gradually improved over the 3 years...
 
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Let's all agree that it's time to retire the "fine wine" moniker for AMD GPUs. Fine wine implies wine that starts good and gets better over time, whereas AMD GPUs seem more like vinegar that eventually turns into mostly-acceptable wine.

That's harsh bordering on unfair, but AMD (and its fanbois) needs to understand that good hardware alone is not good enough. You aren't buying hardware, you're buying a full product, and drivers are a vital part of that. And until AMD puts correct focus on their drivers, I'll keep bitching about them.
Its not unfair, the kids had their warning how many times now? Its time to get the memo. The funny thing is even AMD knows, look at all their driver PR of the last years. Flashy names, big releases (yeah... 'big bang' releases in an Agile/DevOps world... dafuq!? Is it 1999, AMD?)... no consistency. Its borderline misleading.

Meanwhile, team green just poops a Game Ready driver every two weeks or so and even if there is a problem, there is always a new release inbound to fix it. If its big, you get a hotfix days later.

Yeah I do wonder what looks more reliable. :D
 
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I've been using a Sapphire PULSE RX 5600 XT for two weeks now, haven't run into mayor problems yet.

Uninstalled Afterburner as in the past it had its own set of problems with WattMan, so I did not want it to interfere with the new 2020 Software package cause seemingly that has enough of its own issues.

What I had experienced are:

  • Driving my monitor at 144Hz, the memory clocks are stuck on full blast. Lowering refresh rate to 120Hz makes it idle properly.
  • World of Tanks occasionally launches to a black screen after is switches display modes from Windowed to Fullscreen. An Alt-Tab fixes it.
  • The Radeon Software overlay sometimes stops to display. Using the shortcut key still grabs focus, but it does not show up ingame.
  • No major lock ups or blackscreens.
Hopefully AMD will fix the relatively long list of issue, and at least the most glaring ones first. I'm giving the card a couple of months to see whats what.
 
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Let's all agree that it's time to retire the "fine wine" moniker for AMD GPUs. Fine wine implies wine that starts good and gets better over time, whereas AMD GPUs seem more like vinegar that eventually turns into mostly-acceptable wine.

That's harsh bordering on unfair, but AMD (and its fanbois) needs to understand that good hardware alone is not good enough. You aren't buying hardware, you're buying a full product, and drivers are a vital part of that. And until AMD puts correct focus on their drivers, I'll keep bitching about them.
"Fine wine" moniker is maybe over-stretched but this statement has some truth. Maybe today this moniker is not so plausible but with R300 (Radeon 9700, my favourite graphic card ever) it was the truth. Radeon was almost always cheaper and better alternative to me than GeForce, meaning I could get more run for money. nVIDIA many times crippled their middle range cards while their stronger and future proof cards were expensive. So from gaming perspective, I was geting more with Radeon than GeForce.

One of the reasons I switched to nVIDIA from time to time or almost exclusively was better driver support including binary blob driver on Linux. Speaking of which, if you use FreeBSD or Solaris you have nVIDIA driver support for those OS's unlike ATi/AMD although I think AMD gave more love to Linux than ATi.
 
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